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Post by whatsashig on May 30, 2022 19:44:36 GMT
There’s most probably blame all round from all involved, the folk that suffer are them with tickets, they have to cope with all parties reacting to a very frustrating situation and all they want do is watch an exciting game of football (potentially) which ended up a bit shit for lfc what would the news be if they had won?
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Post by tommycarlsberg on May 30, 2022 20:09:07 GMT
I haven’t read your opinions, you replied to me. You sort of expect posters to have read the thread. I said that my opinion of Scousers was fueled by environmental factors as most Scousers I have met were prisoners. Trappy, whiny, wearing characters who seem to make more fuss about everything than others, so I’m not a fan. Obviously it’s irrational as criminals are not typical of any race religion or region but you can’t help forming opinions based on your experiences. There’s that much shite like what you’ve just posted that they all blend in to one
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Post by callas12 on May 30, 2022 20:13:36 GMT
Opinions yeah I do like other peoples opinions I don’t like pre conceived ill informed bollocks Seems to me from what I've seen that there is some truth to all the stories. I find it very hard to believe that there were 40k fake tickets. It's an astounding number and far too many to really be legitimate. That said, I absolutely believe there were thousands there with fake tickets. Probably 5-10k. You've then got the Liverpool fans climbing the fences. There are videos of it. You've also got videos of locals trying to force their way into the ground. You've got videos of Liverpool fans assaulting Spanish fans..... The whole operation was an absolute cluster fuck. That said, Liverpool and their fans do tend to have a bit/ lot of bad luck. UEFA and the police will double down, just as the BBC have today. I've been listening to 5Live and the coverage has been some of the most biased I've ever heard. The presenter claimed earlier that he had seen no evidence to suggest that the behaviour of Liverpool fans was anything but exemplary. 20 seconds on Twitter and there are videos of Liverpool fans punching Real Madrid fans, climbing fences and sneaking friends into the ground. It's not exactly old-school hooliganism but it's still wrong and the BBC and other news outlets should be reporting accurately. They'd mentioned on TalkSport earlier whilst playing a clip of one of the French ministers that im sure was 2,700 fake tickets in circulation. She said the main issue being was that the fakes were very realistic in appearance to the real genuine tickets. Some of these may have been genuinely been bought by folk thinking they were real, probably at an extortionate price aswell. But you can then only imagine the issues that was creating within the ground with seats being technically double booked. The reports of what was occuring within the stadium has then likely filtered out to the entrance points hence why the crowds began to congregate and the issues outside have then spawned into what they have as instructions were no-doubt given out to thoroughly inspect the tickets. Folk gaining ticket-less entries into that part of the ground will only have worsened the situation aswell. All with kick off quickly closing in aswell. All in all the whole scenario was a powder keg waiting to go off. No-one being seriously injured or worse is a minor miracle.
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Post by alsagerstokie on May 30, 2022 20:58:21 GMT
They should have a period in my opinion now. Where they are not allowed to host a major sporting event until they prove they can do it in a safe and right way.
Im not pointing too many fingers as we were an embarrassed nation after the Euro finals. Of course a few mindless thugs idiots do give us a bad reputation. No doubt some Liverpool fans will of course been idiots. However as stated by many ill prepared no organization a situation that thankfully didn't end in much worse. French sports minister sort your house out.
Foreign police forces. I know we have some dick heads but change the way you deal with majority.
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Post by Davef on May 30, 2022 21:14:07 GMT
They should have a period in my opinion now. Where they are not allowed to host a major sporting event until they prove they can do it in a safe and right way. Im not pointing too many fingers as we were an embarrassed nation after the Euro finals. Of course a few mindless thugs idiots do give us a bad reputation. No doubt some Liverpool fans will of course been idiots. However as stated by many ill prepared no organization a situation that thankfully didn't end in much worse. French sports minister sort your house out. Foreign police forces. I know we have some dick heads but change the way you deal with majority. France are hosting the Olympics in two years time. There wouldn't have been the slightest problem had the Euro Final not been restricted to a 60,000 capacity.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 30, 2022 21:18:39 GMT
Seems to me from what I've seen that there is some truth to all the stories. I find it very hard to believe that there were 40k fake tickets. It's an astounding number and far too many to really be legitimate. That said, I absolutely believe there were thousands there with fake tickets. Probably 5-10k. You've then got the Liverpool fans climbing the fences. There are videos of it. You've also got videos of locals trying to force their way into the ground. You've got videos of Liverpool fans assaulting Spanish fans..... The whole operation was an absolute cluster fuck. That said, Liverpool and their fans do tend to have a bit/ lot of bad luck. UEFA and the police will double down, just as the BBC have today. I've been listening to 5Live and the coverage has been some of the most biased I've ever heard. The presenter claimed earlier that he had seen no evidence to suggest that the behaviour of Liverpool fans was anything but exemplary. 20 seconds on Twitter and there are videos of Liverpool fans punching Real Madrid fans, climbing fences and sneaking friends into the ground. It's not exactly old-school hooliganism but it's still wrong and the BBC and other news outlets should be reporting accurately. They'd mentioned on TalkSport earlier whilst playing a clip of one of the French ministers that im sure was 2,700 fake tickets in circulation. She said the main issue being was that the fakes were very realistic in appearance to the real genuine tickets. Some of these may have been genuinely been bought by folk thinking they were real, probably at an extortionate price aswell. But you can then only imagine the issues that was creating within the ground with seats being technically double booked. The reports of what was occuring within the stadium has then likely filtered out to the entrance points hence why the crowds began to congregate and the issues outside have then spawned into what they have as instructions were no-doubt given out to thoroughly inspect the tickets. Folk gaining ticket-less entries into that part of the ground will only have worsened the situation aswell. All with kick off quickly closing in aswell. All in all the whole scenario was a powder keg waiting to go off. No-one being seriously injured or worse is a minor miracle. I think it’s separating the facts from things that we just don’t know but can’t dismiss or call anti Liverpool bo@£.:is because it might just paint Liverpool as being slightly complicit in the issues Facts - Police we’re heavy handed - Innocent fans were treated appallingly - innocent fans did arrive early but didn’t get in - a small number of Liverpool fans did play up like the guy that assaulted the Madrid fan that got punched in the face - there were a small number of fans smuggled in like the “dad” who was on twitter who’s son bragged about getting him in Not known whether true or false - How many forged tickets were sold as legitimate tickets to fans. - How many of those fans jumping into the stadium without paying were Liverpool fans and how many were local. - Were the machines broken by the forged tickets. Only time will tell re the above 3 points but they can’t simply be dismissed till there’s a full investigation. The only people that will know are those working at the stadium. Certainly the reporters wont.
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Post by blackpoolred on May 30, 2022 21:19:50 GMT
According to the article below they were presented with 62,000 tickets of which two-thirds were forged. Surely if they don't close the gates then there is a possibility for another Hillsborough. It is not anti-scouse rhetoric to say they should shoulder some of the blame. They themselves blamed the police for letting fans in without tickets at Hillsborough and are now blaming them for trying to keep fans out who don't have tickets - you can't have it both ways. Was not great Policing, but Liverpool fans were once again not without blame and given everything that has gone on before it beggars belief that even 1 forged ticket was sold - let alone thousands of them - that is totally undefendable. uk.news.yahoo.com/soccer-liverpool-fans-caused-initial-061417226.htmlYou mean "according to the French Government" don't you? And we all know that Governments ALWAYS tell the truth don't we? If 40,000 tickets were fake and presented at the turnstiles then the Liverpool fan park would've been deserted. I'm calling bullshit on that one. They are all pretty much saying the same. This article said there was a bottleneck at the entrance due to thousands of fake tickets not letting them through the gates. www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2022/05/28/champions-league-final-kick-off-delayed-severe-fan-congestion/
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Post by JoeinOz on May 30, 2022 21:23:41 GMT
According to the article below they were presented with 62,000 tickets of which two-thirds were forged. Surely if they don't close the gates then there is a possibility for another Hillsborough. It is not anti-scouse rhetoric to say they should shoulder some of the blame. They themselves blamed the police for letting fans in without tickets at Hillsborough and are now blaming them for trying to keep fans out who don't have tickets - you can't have it both ways. Was not great Policing, but Liverpool fans were once again not without blame and given everything that has gone on before it beggars belief that even 1 forged ticket was sold - let alone thousands of them - that is totally undefendable. uk.news.yahoo.com/soccer-liverpool-fans-caused-initial-061417226.htmlYou mean "according to the French Government" don't you? And we all know that Governments ALWAYS tell the truth don't we? If 40,000 tickets were fake and presented at the turnstiles then the Liverpool fan park would've been deserted. I'm calling bullshit on that one. Agree. 40000 forged tickets. I think they're lying.
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Post by JoeinOz on May 30, 2022 21:31:57 GMT
A load of the replies and comments on here could be cut and pasted from the days following Hillsborough. I pray to Christ that Stoke are never treated this way at a high profile football match, when we are then we are given a barrage of 'well, they are Stoke fans after all...' <wink wink, nudge, no surprises there> One of the chilling things about Hillsborough is the same circumstances occurred prior to our FA Cup replay at Oakwell a few months before. Late arrivals, disorganisation, a crush, a crush getting dangerouser so the police opened the big exit gates. Same police force same response. If more people had been on the away terrace that night who knows what the consequences could be? AND we'd also be subjected to scandalous lies and prejudices.
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Post by Davef on May 30, 2022 21:34:16 GMT
You mean "according to the French Government" don't you? And we all know that Governments ALWAYS tell the truth don't we? If 40,000 tickets were fake and presented at the turnstiles then the Liverpool fan park would've been deserted. I'm calling bullshit on that one. They are all pretty much saying the same. This article said there was a bottleneck at the entrance due to thousands of fake tickets not letting them through the gates. www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2022/05/28/champions-league-final-kick-off-delayed-severe-fan-congestion/And who is making the claim about fake tickets? The French Government minister!
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Post by blackpoolred on May 30, 2022 21:39:32 GMT
According to the article below they were presented with 62,000 tickets of which two-thirds were forged. Surely if they don't close the gates then there is a possibility for another Hillsborough. It is not anti-scouse rhetoric to say they should shoulder some of the blame. They themselves blamed the police for letting fans in without tickets at Hillsborough and are now blaming them for trying to keep fans out who don't have tickets - you can't have it both ways. Was not great Policing, but Liverpool fans were once again not without blame and given everything that has gone on before it beggars belief that even 1 forged ticket was sold - let alone thousands of them - that is totally undefendable. uk.news.yahoo.com/soccer-liverpool-fans-caused-initial-061417226.htmlI saw that article earlier. I don't believe that to be the entire truth. I suggest they're lying. They are all pretty much saying the same. The article below is stating that there were so many forged tickets being presented at the turnstiles that it was causing a bottleneck. www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2022/05/28/champions-league-final-kick-off-delayed-severe-fan-congestion/
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Post by JoeinOz on May 30, 2022 21:47:01 GMT
I can believe there was some forged tickets but 40,000? Bollox to that. And some forged tickets gives them the right to go and indiscriminately teargas anyone wearing red? The bottleneck at the turnstiles started 3 hours before kick off. One journalist turned up four hours before kick off and had trouble getting in. Was that forged press accreditations?
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Post by Boothen on May 30, 2022 22:16:32 GMT
Whatever could he mean by that?
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Post by Gods on May 30, 2022 22:46:05 GMT
Why were there very few problems with Madrid fans?
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Post by GrahamHyde on May 30, 2022 22:56:35 GMT
Whatever could he mean by that? Not really sure what his point is. Isn't that like saying Wembley isn't really in London?
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Post by skip on May 31, 2022 0:03:15 GMT
Why were there very few problems with Madrid fans? I suspect, from what a former UEFA person on Sky News alluded to earlier today, the French police targeted Liverpool for 'historic reasons'. Quite what he meant by that is anyone's guess, but presumably not the 30 years campaign by the Justice families to prove negligence by SYP.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 31, 2022 0:43:35 GMT
Fucking scousers ...
Fucking scousers ... Fucking scousers ... Fucking scousers ...
Fucking scousers (clock the pick-pocketing going on in the second clip also) ....
Fucking scouse hooligans ...
Deserved everything they had coming to them, they're fucking scousers ...
Last orders by the fan park (nowhere near the stadium) ...
Scouse twats getting what they deserved LEAVING the stadium ...
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Post by kaney78 on May 31, 2022 1:06:07 GMT
don't do themselves Any favours at time Liverpool fans but do feel sorry for them here.listening to a lady that rang talksport today that spent a fortune for her and her young lad to go and the how she was treated sounded shocking.she said in the end they just gave up and went back to their hotel to watch it. Would not any responsible English parent have to ask themselves if a football final is a safe environment to bring a young child to? It's only a year ago, less in fact, that socalled English supporters ruined the experience for neutral goers in the semifinal and final of the euros. Whoever they are they will always turn up to ruin the party. However small a minority they are you'd have to say they always succeed, regretably. depends how young you are talking I suppose.I think football has been a bit more family friendly myself the last twenty years and think if you want to avoid trouble generally you can.always gonna be a bit of trouble at matches but not like the final last year.i wasnt there but seems to have been poorly organised that.the lady calling I think her lad was about 12 or 13 she said which Seems perfectly acceptable age to me to take to a match
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Post by kaney78 on May 31, 2022 1:09:52 GMT
Would not any responsible English parent have to ask themselves if a football final is a safe environment to bring a young child to? What a pile of shit you're talking there. Plenty to dig some Liverpool supporters on but taking a kid to a match is certainly not one of them. agree completely ,why shouldn't a parent be able to take their son or daughter to a football match
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 31, 2022 2:08:10 GMT
Why were there very few problems with Madrid fans? 25 minutes prior to kick-off:
Kaveh Solhekol was pepper sprayed at the Real Madrid end of the ground ...
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Post by JoeinOz on May 31, 2022 5:56:20 GMT
Why were there very few problems with Madrid fans? There were problems with the Real Madrid end too
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Post by werrington on May 31, 2022 5:58:28 GMT
Why were there very few problems with Madrid fans? There were problems with the Real Madrid end too Every time they try and justify the French police actions by scurrying around to think of something to justify it but they are constantly getting shot down Paul has nailed it above
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Post by Davef on May 31, 2022 6:07:45 GMT
There is little excuse to keep parroting the line about no problems for the Madrid fans when there are literally thousands of videos online proving otherwise.
"I don't do Twitter" is no excuse either.
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Post by lawrieleslie on May 31, 2022 6:22:46 GMT
There is little excuse to keep parroting the line about no problems for the Madrid fans when there are literally thousands of videos online proving otherwise. "I don't do Twitter" is no excuse either. Why? I didn’t realise that there were problems with madrid fans until I read this thread. "I don’t do twitter " is a valid reason as little if anything was reported on MSM that I saw.
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Post by JoeinOz on May 31, 2022 6:33:43 GMT
There is little excuse to keep parroting the line about no problems for the Madrid fans when there are literally thousands of videos online proving otherwise. "I don't do Twitter" is no excuse either. Why? I didn’t realise that there were problems with madrid fans until I read this thread. "I don’t do twitter " is a valid reason as little if anything was reported on MSM that I saw. Well as far as this website is concerned it has no legs. There are video clips on here that demomstrate the problems Real Madrid fans had.
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Post by nott1 on May 31, 2022 6:57:07 GMT
There should be a fraud investigation to find out the source of any forged tickets (if there was any) and who was selling them,then punish the people involved.
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Post by Gods on May 31, 2022 7:06:47 GMT
Why were there very few problems with Madrid fans? There were problems with the Real Madrid end too Very few, relatively? I'm just genuinely curious. The rugby union World Cup will be played in this stadium next year and the Olympic Games and you just know they will pass off without incident. So either something pushed the police over the edge or they woke up of a morning thinking today I'll pepper spray some English football fans. I can't help thinking the gilet jaunes protests are somewhere in this mix, the tactics they deploy there. But something flipped a switch.
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Post by werrington on May 31, 2022 7:22:27 GMT
There were problems with the Real Madrid end too Very few, relatively? I'm just genuinely curious. The rugby union World Cup will be played in this stadium next year and the Olympic Games and you just know they will pass off without incident. So either something pushed the police over the edge or they woke up of a morning thinking today I'll pepper spray some English football fans. I can't help thinking the gilet jaunes protests are somewhere in this mix, the tactics they deploy there. But something flipped a switch. If you look at Paul tweets above you’ll see why they flipped St Denis is a very poor lawless area of Paris in which the police often won’t go into and you only have to get the stories of after the game also to get the point along with locals causing chaos and spying their chance Couple that with disgraceful behaviour in which they treated peaceful England fans there the last time we played and you’d see my point Wake up and open your eyes mate
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Post by lawrieleslie on May 31, 2022 7:30:45 GMT
Why? I didn’t realise that there were problems with madrid fans until I read this thread. "I don’t do twitter " is a valid reason as little if anything was reported on MSM that I saw. Well as far as this website is concerned it has no legs. There are video clips on here that demomstrate the problems Real Madrid fans had. That’s exactly what I said regarding video clips didn’t I? I have better things to do than trawl MSM or my non-existent twitter account looking for reports and videos of the Championship final in which I have zero interest in.
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Post by JoeinOz on May 31, 2022 7:30:51 GMT
There were problems with the Real Madrid end too Very few, relatively? I'm just genuinely curious. The rugby union World Cup will be played in this stadium next year and the Olympic Games and you just know they will pass off without incident. So either something pushed the police over the edge or they woke up of a morning thinking today I'll pepper spray some English football fans. I can't help thinking the gilet jaunes protests are somewhere in this mix, the tactics they deploy there. But something flipped a switch. Pepper sprayed Spanish fans too.
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