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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 12, 2022 7:58:01 GMT
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Post by flea79 on May 12, 2022 8:01:20 GMT
need work aard they do, like Jon, go arrrrn Jon work aard for daddy Tony i imagine thats the general feel of the article!
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 12, 2022 8:11:55 GMT
need work aard they do, like Jon, go arrrrn Jon work aard for daddy Tony i imagine thats the general feel of the article! Its quite difficult to be 100% wrong but you’ve cracked it with that one 😏
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Post by flea79 on May 12, 2022 8:19:02 GMT
need work aard they do, like Jon, go arrrrn Jon work aard for daddy Tony i imagine thats the general feel of the article! Its quite difficult to be 100% wrong but you’ve cracked it with that one 😏 i aim to breach new barriers of idiocy on a daily basis, goooarrrrnnn, work aaaard
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Post by theonlooker on May 12, 2022 8:29:03 GMT
The absolute brass neck of him.
Did he write all this with a straight face?
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Post by nottsover60 on May 12, 2022 8:51:29 GMT
The most sensible thing he's ever written or said. The truth is that every Emre Tezgel at every club needs 15 other players to play with and none of them are likely to make it as a professional footballer yet will have been sold the dream and sacrificed their education for it. In my opinion they should not be allowed day release from school, they need the education but also the social and life skills that they can only learn in a normal school away from elite football. Football development should start at 16. Pulis's idea is an alternative but I'm not sure it would work entirely. I like Palace's idea of three years of contact and support for released players who don't get another club.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 12, 2022 8:54:05 GMT
The most sensible thing he's ever written or said. The truth is that every Emre Tezgel at every club needs 15 other players to play with and none of them are likely to make it as a professional footballer yet will have been sold the dream and sacrificed their education for it. In my opinion they should not be allowed day release from school, they need the education but also the social and life skills that they can only learn in a normal school away from elite football. Football development should start at 16. Pulis's idea is an alternative but I'm not sure it would work entirely. I like Palace's idea of three years of contact and support for released players who don't get another club. They don't have to sacrifice their education. Indeed when I was at college, Paterson and Rooney were there too. Education has been a big part of the academy process for some time.
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Post by theonlooker on May 12, 2022 8:58:23 GMT
The most sensible thing he's ever written or said. The truth is that every Emre Tezgel at every club needs 15 other players to play with and none of them are likely to make it as a professional footballer yet will have been sold the dream and sacrificed their education for it. In my opinion they should not be allowed day release from school, they need the education but also the social and life skills that they can only learn in a normal school away from elite football. Football development should start at 16. Pulis's idea is an alternative but I'm not sure it would work entirely. I like Palace's idea of three years of contact and support for released players who don't get another club. They don't have to sacrifice their education. Indeed when I was at college, Paterson and Rooney were there too. Education has been a big part of the academy process for some time. So is keeping in touch with ex players after they've been released. I know parents of two lads who were released at 16/17 who the club kept in touch with, and also offered them contacts with agencies and notified then of localish trials etc for two years after.
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Post by nottsover60 on May 12, 2022 9:01:43 GMT
The most sensible thing he's ever written or said. The truth is that every Emre Tezgel at every club needs 15 other players to play with and none of them are likely to make it as a professional footballer yet will have been sold the dream and sacrificed their education for it. In my opinion they should not be allowed day release from school, they need the education but also the social and life skills that they can only learn in a normal school away from elite football. Football development should start at 16. Pulis's idea is an alternative but I'm not sure it would work entirely. I like Palace's idea of three years of contact and support for released players who don't get another club. They don't have to sacrifice their education. Indeed when I was at college, Paterson and Rooney were there too. Education has been a big part of the academy process for some time. I'm talking about pre 17s who negotiate 3 days of day release to train at the club missing more than half their school education which in reality is more as you can't do 5 days of maths and English when you are missing 3 of them. It's not surprising that these boys start off as above average at school but at 16 achieve less than the national average. When you are released from a club and all the social skills you have have been gained at the club instead of on the playground or as one of 30 in a class where do you go for support?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 12, 2022 9:02:58 GMT
They don't have to sacrifice their education. Indeed when I was at college, Paterson and Rooney were there too. Education has been a big part of the academy process for some time. So is keeping in touch with ex players after they've been released. I know parents of two lads who were released at 16/17 who the club kept in touch with, and also offered them contacts with agencies and notified then of localish trials etc for two years after. I think the case of the Man City player is obviously tragic but from my knowledge of the academy system these clubs do so much already to help these players. Yes they can cast aside like bits of meat and that is horrible but a club like Man City will make sure they have options. I know Stoke and Vale have links with Staffs Uni where academy players can get on to degrees if they're released and meet the criteria. It's not like there's nothing there. Also it's about the individual too I guess. Some will be academically gifted, others won't be, some will be lazy and see it as a chore etc. That's normal for anyone at that age for education.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 12, 2022 9:07:22 GMT
They don't have to sacrifice their education. Indeed when I was at college, Paterson and Rooney were there too. Education has been a big part of the academy process for some time. I'm talking about pre 17s who negotiate 3 days of day release to train at the club missing more than half their school education which in reality is more as you can't do 5 days of maths and English when you are missing 3 of them. It's not surprising that these boys start off as above average at school but at 16 achieve less than the national average. When you are released from a club and all the social skills you have have been gained at the club instead of on the playground or as one of 30 in a class where do you go for support? I'm not sure it's that much time is it? Before the pandemic I'd get the train to work from Crewe and you'd see academy players on there 1/2 days a week. Tom Sparrow was one and he'd be on there 2 days a week I think and I'm guessing with the timeframe he'd have been 15/16. They get loads of support from the clubs from knowledge. Both local clubs have links with Staffs Uni to get their released players on to degrees if that's what they want and meet the criteria. And as I said when I was at college 2003-2005 I think it was, Pato and Rooney were there too. That won't have changed. There are also BTEC programmes they can do. They do their coaching badges. They probably get more support than your average child.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on May 12, 2022 9:35:31 GMT
Sounds sensible from Pulis, but is 6 regions enough to deal with so many players?
Sending a limousine for a 9-year-old kid (as the article seems to imply) is ridiculous.
I don't like the use of the word "trauma" here (the article has it in quotes, so it must be the exact word Palace use): "In February they (Crystal Palace) became the first top-flight club to offer a three-year aftercare programme to help scholars deal with the “trauma” of being released."
Today's society is becoming so entitled and me-me-me that it's preparation in advance that's needed - the kind of stuff Pulis talks about - rather than using words like "trauma" and being reactive instead of proactive.
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Post by werrington on May 12, 2022 9:42:42 GMT
The absolute brass neck of him. Did he write all this with a straight face? He had no interest in them Front of house was his philosophy and fuck the rest
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Post by cvillestokie on May 12, 2022 9:55:27 GMT
I do think it’s got to be heart breaking for kids to miss out after working so hard for something, but isn’t that the reality of life?
An education programme sounds like a great concept. It will be one that is completely misused though, especially in the US schools that run it. The reality is that, if they want to make a dream work, the more time they spend doing something else (I.e. school) the less likely it’s going to happen.
College/university athletes get “degrees” here. They are often in nonsense topics and in classes that they barely attend because they are too busy in the gym/in training/living the superstar life of a US athlete in a small university town (being on very well watched national tv 2-3x a week).
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Post by cvillestokie on May 12, 2022 9:59:19 GMT
So is keeping in touch with ex players after they've been released. I know parents of two lads who were released at 16/17 who the club kept in touch with, and also offered them contacts with agencies and notified then of localish trials etc for two years after. I think the case of the Man City player is obviously tragic but from my knowledge of the academy system these clubs do so much already to help these players. Yes they can cast aside like bits of meat and that is horrible but a club like Man City will make sure they have options. I know Stoke and Vale have links with Staffs Uni where academy players can get on to degrees if they're released and meet the criteria. It's not like there's nothing there. Also it's about the individual too I guess. Some will be academically gifted, others won't be, some will be lazy and see it as a chore etc. That's normal for anyone at that age for education. While it’s terrible that one young boy killed himself, is there any good, reliable data out there to show that these kids are at an increased risk of suicide than those in the general population?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 12, 2022 10:05:58 GMT
I think the case of the Man City player is obviously tragic but from my knowledge of the academy system these clubs do so much already to help these players. Yes they can cast aside like bits of meat and that is horrible but a club like Man City will make sure they have options. I know Stoke and Vale have links with Staffs Uni where academy players can get on to degrees if they're released and meet the criteria. It's not like there's nothing there. Also it's about the individual too I guess. Some will be academically gifted, others won't be, some will be lazy and see it as a chore etc. That's normal for anyone at that age for education. While it’s terrible that one young boy killed himself, is there any good, reliable data out there to show that these kids are at an increased risk of suicide than those in the general population? No idea tbh. I wouldn't be shocked if they were due to the brutality of the academy system. But then I don't think an ordinary kid gets the chances an academy kid would either.
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Post by iancransonsknees on May 12, 2022 10:33:50 GMT
The absolute brass neck of him. Did he write all this with a straight face? Shame nobody told his lad.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on May 12, 2022 10:42:49 GMT
It's life. Thousands of people go to drama school every year thinking they're going to be an actor.
How many people in their 20s and 30s kicking around hoping for a break that will never come? It's the sort of thing you take your chances with and prepare for the worst.
At least footballers get paid to be at academies to a certain degree.
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Post by owdestokie2 on May 12, 2022 11:14:09 GMT
The absolute brass neck of him. Did he write all this with a straight face? Name one player to come through the academy or be released under his tenure who has gone on to play at the same level or beyond? Facts rather than person opinions perhaps
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 12, 2022 11:17:11 GMT
The absolute brass neck of him. Did he write all this with a straight face? Name one player to come through the academy or be released under his tenure who has gone on to play at the same level or beyond? Facts rather than person opinions perhaps The fact is he wanted to shut the academy.
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Post by march4 on May 12, 2022 11:17:52 GMT
TP is spot on.
Not only has he overseen a series of football clubs, he has also seen his own son go through youth development.
The parents of disappointed youngsters will be indignant about his views and I understand why but when TP pushed a young, local player into our Prem team, our fans were less than supportive. Football is a harsh environment and only a few make it. Even fewer get a second chance like SJW.
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Post by owdestokie2 on May 12, 2022 11:20:18 GMT
The absolute brass neck of him. Did he write all this with a straight face? He had no interest in them Front of house was his philosophy and fuck the rest Who did he miss out on? Who went on to prove him wrong? Did he establish SCFC in the EPL with battle hardened troops, should he have employed a different route to ensure the family were receiving huge amounts of EPL monies for 10 years?
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Post by werrington on May 12, 2022 11:25:56 GMT
He had no interest in them Front of house was his philosophy and fuck the rest Who did he miss out on? Who went on to prove him wrong? Did he establish SCFC in the EPL with battle hardened troops, should he have employed a different route to ensure the family were receiving huge amounts of EPL monies for 10 years? I’m not saying anything ….it’s him who has an opinion on how to look after young academy kids yet had no interest in it when he was here Don’t think he ever attended a fixture no matter the age group
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Post by pushon on May 12, 2022 11:38:33 GMT
They don't have to sacrifice their education. Indeed when I was at college, Paterson and Rooney were there too. Education has been a big part of the academy process for some time. I'm talking about pre 17s who negotiate 3 days of day release to train at the club missing more than half their school education which in reality is more as you can't do 5 days of maths and English when you are missing 3 of them. It's not surprising that these boys start off as above average at school but at 16 achieve less than the national average. When you are released from a club and all the social skills you have have been gained at the club instead of on the playground or as one of 30 in a class where do you go for support? You get a job so that you can support yourself.
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Post by skip on May 12, 2022 11:53:02 GMT
All young people have to make considered choices at 16 which both focus and narrow their opportunities. My eldest is going through this exact same process now. But no post-16 education guarantees a career in any subject.
I suspect the biggest problem with football is due to its over exposure and insane wages at the highest level, a lot of academy players are understandably gutted when they don't progress into the full professional game, particularly at the highest level. Surely well run football academies teach their players/students that it is a selective process and that other opportunities may lie ahead outside the game in other careers, including progressing into Higher Education.
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Post by theonlooker on May 12, 2022 11:58:36 GMT
The absolute brass neck of him. Did he write all this with a straight face? Name one player to come through the academy or be released under his tenure who has gone on to play at the same level or beyond? Facts rather than person opinions perhaps I think that notion kind of proves the point doesn't it? Hardly any kids came through and the one's that did, didn't really achieve much. I guess it helps peddle the agenda that your own Academy isn't producing quality when you play a centre half as a replacement for Jermaine Pennant on the right wing...
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Post by anchorman on May 12, 2022 12:51:01 GMT
The absolute brass neck of him. Did he write all this with a straight face? Yawn yawn yawn......And you know of course ? My experience of TP re kids football is incredibly positive & encouraging...
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Post by scfc75 on May 12, 2022 13:00:52 GMT
He had no interest in them Front of house was his philosophy and fuck the rest Who did he miss out on? Who went on to prove him wrong? Did he establish SCFC in the EPL with battle hardened troops, should he have employed a different route to ensure the family were receiving huge amounts of EPL monies for 10 years? Perhaps some young players might have developed better and gone on to be decent professionals, had they had a clearer pathway to the first team instead of seeing it blocked by expensive pro’s coming towards the end of their careers. Truth is, we’ll never know.
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Post by masterpotter on May 12, 2022 13:10:00 GMT
It's like asking the Tories to write a strategy for helping less well off people. Pointless. That’s really easy though cook fresh food cut down on the fags cancel net flix Cancel your smart phone theres a strategy that will save ant household at least £50 a week
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Post by scfc75 on May 12, 2022 13:19:01 GMT
It's like asking the Tories to write a strategy for helping less well off people. Pointless. That’s really easy though cook fresh food cut down on the fags cancel net flix Cancel your smart phone theres a strategy that will save ant household at least £50 a week Or just tell the lazy sods to get better jobs, eh?
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