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Post by foxysgloves on May 14, 2022 9:31:12 GMT
My youngest lad has been with Stoke since the age of 5. He's now 13, been there 8 years with 5 of those on a contract basis, and the irony is that tonight he has his end of season review and we talk about next year/season as he's contracted to June 2023. It's a really tricky situation re the day release: on the one hand I want him to enjoy his football, get some extra coaching on that day plus also socialise with his SCFC mates (and they get little time to actually do that during training/matches). On the other hand, he's giving up 20% of his education at a crucial stage of his school journey. As a parent, I want the very best for my lad's education. I need guarantees that when he eventually leaves the club, his education won't have been affected, as it will be him and us who pick up the educational pieces -and that's not to mention picking up the pieces of a kid who trains three times and plays 1 game every week, over the last 5 years! That is one hell of a sacrifice in terms of time, money, social life, mates etc etc...... Luckily, my lad is bright enough to know that he'll probably not make it as a footballer, as few do. He's doing really well at school, plus plays and adores cricket. He has a good group of mates and he'll be fine. Whilst it will hurt him, there will be other kids for whom being let go from an academy is absolutely massive and will affect deeply. What happens to them at clubs? Where is the after care? I see Palace have put a three year After Care system in place, and this should be the norm. It must be so hard to go from playing at a Cat 1 academy to playing at grass roots football and that's why so many who leave academies give the game up. I can fully understand why. They've had years of being told they're elite to suddenly being released and feeling anything but elite. Indeed, personally I think kids should play grass roots until at least year 7 and then academies come into play then. As for my lad? That day release has to be very worthwhile in a number of ways, because if it isn't he won't be missing his education. Simple as that. Fascinating insight. Hopefully most parents have that type of grounded view. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2022 9:36:19 GMT
Pulis talking about Acadamies is like me doing a TED talk on Astro-Physics.
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Post by bunnyscfc on May 14, 2022 20:51:24 GMT
I had an hour chat with Jon Walters today. Both our lads had games at Clayton Wood. He has exactly the same views as me about academies and kids development and education in general. Lots still need doing at most academies. They’re factories, but these are still kids, and kids that have had two years of dealing with the physical and mental effects of vivid and th3 changing world.
Now, more than ever, all kids need support, not just in football.
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Post by owdestokie2 on May 15, 2022 1:48:35 GMT
My youngest lad has been with Stoke since the age of 5. He's now 13, been there 8 years with 5 of those on a contract basis, and the irony is that tonight he has his end of season review and we talk about next year/season as he's contracted to June 2023. It's a really tricky situation re the day release: on the one hand I want him to enjoy his football, get some extra coaching on that day plus also socialise with his SCFC mates (and they get little time to actually do that during training/matches). On the other hand, he's giving up 20% of his education at a crucial stage of his school journey. As a parent, I want the very best for my lad's education. I need guarantees that when he eventually leaves the club, his education won't have been affected, as it will be him and us who pick up the educational pieces -and that's not to mention picking up the pieces of a kid who trains three times and plays 1 game every week, over the last 5 years! That is one hell of a sacrifice in terms of time, money, social life, mates etc etc...... Luckily, my lad is bright enough to know that he'll probably not make it as a footballer, as few do. He's doing really well at school, plus plays and adores cricket. He has a good group of mates and he'll be fine. Whilst it will hurt him, there will be other kids for whom being let go from an academy is absolutely massive and will affect deeply. What happens to them at clubs? Where is the after care? I see Palace have put a three year After Care system in place, and this should be the norm. It must be so hard to go from playing at a Cat 1 academy to playing at grass roots football and that's why so many who leave academies give the game up. I can fully understand why. They've had years of being told they're elite to suddenly being released and feeling anything but elite. Indeed, personally I think kids should play grass roots until at least year 7 and then academies come into play then. As for my lad? That day release has to be very worthwhile in a number of ways, because if it isn't he won't be missing his education. Simple as that. Excellent thoughtful post…… My daughter was a monster at badminton (Staffordshire) and rounders (England) between the ages of 10 and 16. The socialising and interaction with others was so important for her development as a person. Fortunately she was extremely bright and went onto gain a PHD. |
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Post by dirtclod on May 15, 2022 4:13:16 GMT
Pulis talking about Acadamies is like me doing a TED talk on Astro-Physics. Prime you with enough pints and I'll bet that could be quite entertaining? |
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Post by partickpotter on May 15, 2022 5:52:20 GMT
Not 100% of the ins and outs but they came up with a good thing up here about 10 year ago that's now, hopefully, bearing fruit: www.scottishfa.co.uk/performance/jd-performance-schools/Basically you get picked up by your regional performance school if you're good enough and then there's a balance between education and training. From there the affiliated clubs can take them on so have input in the training plus then take over at the weekends. Alternatively the kids can just go down the traditional route of shit or bust in the team youth set-up. Gilmour and Patterson both came through there and Morrison is highly rated at Bayern - there was also 10 from the schools in last U21 squad so they're filtering through. Lowry at Rangers is 18 and looks the absolute bollocks too: The point Pulis is making is about the boys that don’t make it, not those who do. And it is a good point. |
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Post by noustie on May 15, 2022 6:55:20 GMT
Not 100% of the ins and outs but they came up with a good thing up here about 10 year ago that's now, hopefully, bearing fruit: www.scottishfa.co.uk/performance/jd-performance-schools/Basically you get picked up by your regional performance school if you're good enough and then there's a balance between education and training. From there the affiliated clubs can take them on so have input in the training plus then take over at the weekends. Alternatively the kids can just go down the traditional route of shit or bust in the team youth set-up. Gilmour and Patterson both came through there and Morrison is highly rated at Bayern - there was also 10 from the schools in last U21 squad so they're filtering through. Lowry at Rangers is 18 and looks the absolute bollocks too: The point Pulis is making is about the boys that don’t make it, not those who do. And it is a good point. Oh totally agree and I'd got that wrapped up in the excitement of some talent coming through for Scotland for the first time in yonks I completely forgot the entire point of why I was posting. I should have added that the kids who don't make it through this path at least its embedded in schools so getting the same opportunity as other kids of a decent education to fall back on. |
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Post by santy on May 15, 2022 7:30:20 GMT
One of the big issues facing young players who are kept on beyond 16 as well is often times they're moving from a very heavily regimented lifestyle with most of their days scheduled between school and training to situations where they have money and time on their hands.
Personally I'd argue there should be a clear education support system in place to degree level for them and some kind of set up with military/armed forces. For those players who are cut loose at 16/18 I think a route into the air force/navy/army could be a great option to give them a disciplined structure they're used to while still finding out what they do want outside of football.
Even for managers who are really positive towards academy prospects and development (which are few and far between) there are so many other things that can get in the way. Clubs made the decision to pump so much money into making their youth teams enticing in the first place - since they decided to go down that route I feel like its only fair to see it through on the other side.
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Post by swampySCFC on May 15, 2022 21:57:53 GMT
The most sensible thing he's ever written or said. The truth is that every Emre Tezgel at every club needs 15 other players to play with and none of them are likely to make it as a professional footballer yet will have been sold the dream and sacrificed their education for it. In my opinion they should not be allowed day release from school, they need the education but also the social and life skills that they can only learn in a normal school away from elite football. Football development should start at 16. Pulis's idea is an alternative but I'm not sure it would work entirely. I like Palace's idea of three years of contact and support for released players who don't get another club. Exactly. Collins to Burnley?? |
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