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Post by cobhamstokey on May 14, 2022 9:47:35 GMT
The sad thing is this isn’t even about politics or slamming the Tory’s (and yes they are poor). it’s about getting the wheels in motion and getting this country up and running again and getting things back to normal like they were pre covid. If covid hadn’t happened do you think people would be moaning about working away from home? I doubt it. I guess having a workplace is another thing to cancel. People have been moaning about pointless commutes and worklife balance for years before Covid. They've been homeworking for decades in Germany and other European countries. I suspect it makes very little difference and that the real reasons for banging on about this now are little to do with productivity and actual work. As the likes of Rees-Mogg and the Tory supporting press probably realise only too well. People have been based in offices and on the road a hell of a lot longer and it’s never done anyone any harm. What’s your thoughts re the isolation element and impact on mental health. Working in education being in isolation certainly had an impact on kids mental health. Do you think education should go down the same route? lessons all on skype?
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Post by thewonderstuff on May 14, 2022 9:53:19 GMT
The genie is out of the bottle and it isn't going back regardless of any amount of managerial bullying and shaming.
Hybrid working is here to stay.
The thing that pisses me off most about it is dreadful people like Andrew Neil and Richard Littlejohn telling people they shouldn't work from home whilst....you guessed it, working from home!
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Post by iancransonsknees on May 14, 2022 12:03:18 GMT
They'd be better off tackling the shirkers and bone idle employees whether they work from home or in the office, and actually look after and value those that are productive and efficient whatever the environment.
I've had no choice but to work from home and am bored with it. It started to feel like a grind in terms of seeing the same 4 walls so I've remodelled the place. Even though they only want us in 1 day a week now I go in for at least 3. It's there or thereabouts a happy medium but I wouldn't moan too much if I had to do more. It'll never happen though as they've all got used to the flexibility.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 14, 2022 14:40:27 GMT
They'd be better off tackling the shirkers and bone idle employees whether they work from home or in the office, and actually look after and value those that are productive and efficient whatever the environment. I've had no choice but to work from home and am bored with it. It started to feel like a grind in terms of seeing the same 4 walls so I've remodelled the place. Even though they only want us in 1 day a week now I go in for at least 3. It's there or thereabouts a happy medium but I wouldn't moan too much if I had to do more. It'll never happen though as they've all got used to the flexibility. Assassinating badgers from home. Impressive😉
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Post by lordb on May 14, 2022 16:14:44 GMT
People have been moaning about pointless commutes and worklife balance for years before Covid. They've been homeworking for decades in Germany and other European countries. I suspect it makes very little difference and that the real reasons for banging on about this now are little to do with productivity and actual work. As the likes of Rees-Mogg and the Tory supporting press probably realise only too well. People have been based in offices and on the road a hell of a lot longer and it’s never done anyone any harm. What’s your thoughts re the isolation element and impact on mental health. Working in education being in isolation certainly had an impact on kids mental health. Do you think education should go down the same route? lessons all on skype? Endless commuting has certainly damaged the environment and imho can have a negative impact on mental health, seen relationships break up where excessive commuting has been a factor There's definitely a balance to be struck But too say work in office good work from home bad (or the other way around) isn't accurate
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Post by theonlooker on May 14, 2022 16:18:45 GMT
So Boris says we're better off back at work as we're more productive? Oh do fuck off.
In other words, you want people putting fuel in their tanks at the excessive price despite an alleged tax cut on it and price of the barrel falling...
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Post by lordb on May 14, 2022 16:29:43 GMT
So Boris says we're better off back at work as we're more productive? Oh do fuck off. In other words, you want people putting fuel in their tanks at the excessive price despite an alleged tax cut on it and price of the barrel falling... More productive at home, for sure
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Post by questionable on May 14, 2022 16:55:43 GMT
So Boris says we're better off back at work as we're more productive? Oh do fuck off. In other words, you want people putting fuel in their tanks at the excessive price despite an alleged tax cut on it and price of the barrel falling... I went to Market Drayton Morrison’s this morning, unleaded £170 a litre Morrison’s Nantwich £1.60 a litre robbing bastards.
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Post by questionable on May 14, 2022 16:56:11 GMT
So Boris says we're better off back at work as we're more productive? Oh do fuck off. In other words, you want people putting fuel in their tanks at the excessive price despite an alleged tax cut on it and price of the barrel falling... I went to Market Drayton Morrison’s this morning, unleaded £1.70 a litre Morrison’s Nantwich £1.60 a litre robbing bastards.
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Post by theonlooker on May 14, 2022 16:59:38 GMT
So Boris says we're better off back at work as we're more productive? Oh do fuck off. In other words, you want people putting fuel in their tanks at the excessive price despite an alleged tax cut on it and price of the barrel falling... I went to Market Drayton Morrison’s this morning, unleaded £170 a litre Morrison’s Nantwich £1.60 a litre robbing bastards. It won't be long before the barricades are back out again. Absolutely no excuse for these prices. I wouldn't be surprised if one of their mates in one of the fuel companies doesn't trigger another panic buying exercise like they did last time, when they wanted rid of the old E5 unleaded stocks.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 14, 2022 17:40:32 GMT
People have been moaning about pointless commutes and worklife balance for years before Covid. They've been homeworking for decades in Germany and other European countries. I suspect it makes very little difference and that the real reasons for banging on about this now are little to do with productivity and actual work. As the likes of Rees-Mogg and the Tory supporting press probably realise only too well. People have been based in offices and on the road a hell of a lot longer and it’s never done anyone any harm. What’s your thoughts re the isolation element and impact on mental health. Working in education being in isolation certainly had an impact on kids mental health. Do you think education should go down the same route? lessons all on skype? It's never done anyone any harm? Why do you think people have been arguing for more flexible working arrangements for so long? Stress, cost, time, relationships...It's done lots of harm over many years, which a more balanced approach will help to ameliorate. No, I don't think education should go the same route. I also think comparing schooling for children and working for adults is not a directly valid comparison.
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Post by partickpotter on May 14, 2022 17:58:00 GMT
The (usual deadhead) people making WFH to be a party political (read evil Tory) question are, as ever, missing the bigger picture.
Here’s the bigger picture.
Just been chatting with a friend of mine who runs a company in Glasgow.
She told me a member of her team is resigning because she has a new job with a US multinational with a base in London. She will be working from home. The reason is salary maths. Note the following numbers are indicative not actual but serve to demonstrate the point. This person is currently paid £45k in Glasgow (a highly competitive local salary). The US multinational paid her role £100K in London. They will now pay the girl £60k in Glasgow. So, who’s happy? The US multinational who make a 40% salary saving and the girl in Glasgow who gets a 33% boost to her salary. Who’s not happy? The person who used to do that job in London who now has no job. The friend of mine in Glasgow running her business who can not compete with the US multinational.
BTW, this is not an isolated incident.
So, be aware that WFH may well turn into Not WFH because you won’t have a job if your job can be done by someone else working cheaper from their home.
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Post by thewonderstuff on May 14, 2022 18:08:50 GMT
The (usual deadhead) people making WFH to be a party political (read evil Tory) question are, as ever, missing the bigger picture. Here’s the bigger picture. Just been chatting with a friend of mine who runs a company in Glasgow. She told me a member of her team is resigning because she has a new job with a US multinational with a base in London. She will be working from home. The reason is salary maths. Note the following numbers are indicative not actual but serve to demonstrate the point. This person is currently paid £45k in Glasgow (a highly competitive local salary). The US multinational paid her role £100K in London. They will now pay the girl £60k in Glasgow. So, who’s happy? The US multinational who make a 40% salary saving and the girl in Glasgow who gets a 33% boost to her salary. Who’s not happy? The person who used to do that job in London who now has no job. The friend of mine in Glasgow running her business who can not compete with the US multinational. BTW, this is not an isolated incident. So, be aware that WFH may well turn into Not WFH because you won’t have a job if your job can be done by someone else working cheaper from their home. Do you think the example you state is the primary motivation of Mogg when he is stalking the corridors of Whitehall leaving cursory threatening notes to folk out of the office or the kind of client journalism we saw with Johnson yesterday? They are making it Political.
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Post by partickpotter on May 14, 2022 18:26:04 GMT
The (usual deadhead) people making WFH to be a party political (read evil Tory) question are, as ever, missing the bigger picture. Here’s the bigger picture. Just been chatting with a friend of mine who runs a company in Glasgow. She told me a member of her team is resigning because she has a new job with a US multinational with a base in London. She will be working from home. The reason is salary maths. Note the following numbers are indicative not actual but serve to demonstrate the point. This person is currently paid £45k in Glasgow (a highly competitive local salary). The US multinational paid her role £100K in London. They will now pay the girl £60k in Glasgow. So, who’s happy? The US multinational who make a 40% salary saving and the girl in Glasgow who gets a 33% boost to her salary. Who’s not happy? The person who used to do that job in London who now has no job. The friend of mine in Glasgow running her business who can not compete with the US multinational. BTW, this is not an isolated incident. So, be aware that WFH may well turn into Not WFH because you won’t have a job if your job can be done by someone else working cheaper from their home. Do you think the example you state is the primary motivation of Mogg when he is stalking the corridors of Whitehall leaving cursory threatening notes to folk out of the office or the kind of client journalism we saw with Johnson yesterday? They are making it Political. I’m not interested in Mogg or the Westminster bubble. I am interested in what is happening in real life.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 14, 2022 18:41:25 GMT
Do you think the example you state is the primary motivation of Mogg when he is stalking the corridors of Whitehall leaving cursory threatening notes to folk out of the office or the kind of client journalism we saw with Johnson yesterday? They are making it Political. I’m not interested in Mogg or the Westminster bubble. I am interested in what is happening in real life. If only Rees-Mogg was.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 14, 2022 18:42:31 GMT
Do you think the example you state is the primary motivation of Mogg when he is stalking the corridors of Whitehall leaving cursory threatening notes to folk out of the office or the kind of client journalism we saw with Johnson yesterday? They are making it Political. I’m not interested in Mogg or the Westminster bubble. I am interested in what is happening in real life. This is the problem not everything has to be political it can be how you personally feel.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 14, 2022 18:44:23 GMT
I’m not interested in Mogg or the Westminster bubble. I am interested in what is happening in real life. This is the problem not everything has to be political it can be how you personally feel. Fair enough. Most people want more home-working. Fair enough? Call it the will of the people or something...!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 14, 2022 18:49:49 GMT
The (usual deadhead) people making WFH to be a party political (read evil Tory) question are, as ever, missing the bigger picture. Here’s the bigger picture. Just been chatting with a friend of mine who runs a company in Glasgow. She told me a member of her team is resigning because she has a new job with a US multinational with a base in London. She will be working from home. The reason is salary maths. Note the following numbers are indicative not actual but serve to demonstrate the point. This person is currently paid £45k in Glasgow (a highly competitive local salary). The US multinational paid her role £100K in London. They will now pay the girl £60k in Glasgow. So, who’s happy? The US multinational who make a 40% salary saving and the girl in Glasgow who gets a 33% boost to her salary. Who’s not happy? The person who used to do that job in London who now has no job. The friend of mine in Glasgow running her business who can not compete with the US multinational. BTW, this is not an isolated incident. So, be aware that WFH may well turn into Not WFH because you won’t have a job if your job can be done by someone else working cheaper from their home. As a big free market fan, you must be ok with this?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 14, 2022 18:57:42 GMT
This is the problem not everything has to be political it can be how you personally feel. Fair enough. Most people want more home-working. Fair enough? Call it the will of the people or something...! I don’t know if there’s been some sort of survey but I personally don’t know anyone who wants to work from home
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 14, 2022 19:15:55 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 14, 2022 19:24:35 GMT
I’ve got plenty of “contacts” and I said I don’t know anyone who wants to work from home. Undoubtedly the bone idle or antisocial would prefer home working but fortunately I don’t know many of those type of people. Seems you know plenty which doesn’t surprise me in the least😉
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 14, 2022 19:30:49 GMT
I’ve got plenty of “contacts” and I said I don’t know anyone who wants to work from home. Undoubtedly the bone idle or antisocial would prefer home working but fortunately I don’t know many of those type of people. Seems you know plenty which doesn’t surprise me in the least😉 85% of people want more homeworking but you, apparently, know none of them. That suggests a very limited group of contacts. Perhaps it's the nature of the group you move in? Or maybe the ONS survey was rubbish?
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Post by iancransonsknees on May 14, 2022 19:33:26 GMT
They'd be better off tackling the shirkers and bone idle employees whether they work from home or in the office, and actually look after and value those that are productive and efficient whatever the environment. I've had no choice but to work from home and am bored with it. It started to feel like a grind in terms of seeing the same 4 walls so I've remodelled the place. Even though they only want us in 1 day a week now I go in for at least 3. It's there or thereabouts a happy medium but I wouldn't moan too much if I had to do more. It'll never happen though as they've all got used to the flexibility. Assassinating badgers from home. Impressive😉 Gas them and their children in their setts. Little programme of work stopping cunts! Who in their right mind would hang the image of one of those reprobate creatures in their own home. It's like devil worship (I do have a reasonably interesting story about that too).
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 14, 2022 19:43:00 GMT
Assassinating badgers from home. Impressive😉 Gas them and their children in their setts. Little programme of work stopping cunts! Who in their right mind would hang the image of one of those reprobate creatures in their own home. It's like devil worship (I do have a reasonably interesting story about that too). Tell us the story, Deputy Bluers (aka Alan Sugar) is boring everyone to death.
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Post by partickpotter on May 14, 2022 19:59:46 GMT
Gas them and their children in their setts. Little programme of work stopping cunts! Who in their right mind would hang the image of one of those reprobate creatures in their own home. It's like devil worship (I do have a reasonably interesting story about that too). Tell us the story, Deputy Bluers (aka Alan Sugar) is boring everyone to death. Redwhinenblue just whines. He like to think he’s clever. He isn’t.
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Post by neckender78 on May 14, 2022 21:10:31 GMT
I’ve got plenty of “contacts” and I said I don’t know anyone who wants to work from home. Undoubtedly the bone idle or antisocial would prefer home working but fortunately I don’t know many of those type of people. Seems you know plenty which doesn’t surprise me in the least😉 85% of people want more homeworking but you, apparently, know none of them. That suggests a very limited group of contacts. Perhaps it's the nature of the group you move in? Or maybe the ONS survey was rubbish? Boo hoo for the 85% I want stay at home not have the inconvenience of having go to the office and speak to people. The want trying be a groundworker, ambulance responder, plasterer, prison guard, military person, plumber etc
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Post by xchpotter on May 14, 2022 21:57:17 GMT
Fair enough. Most people want more home-working. Fair enough? Call it the will of the people or something...! I don’t know if there’s been some sort of survey but I personally don’t know anyone who wants to work from home The only ones I know who want to work from home are the shirkers, but if it keeps them out of the way so others can crack on then fair enough. I’m sure there are of course some who work equally as hard at home, I’ve just not met them yet.
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Post by PotteringThrough on May 14, 2022 23:26:44 GMT
85% of people want more homeworking but you, apparently, know none of them. That suggests a very limited group of contacts. Perhaps it's the nature of the group you move in? Or maybe the ONS survey was rubbish? Boo hoo for the 85% I want stay at home not have the inconvenience of having go to the office and speak to people. The want trying be a groundworker, ambulance responder, plasterer, prison guard, military person, plumber etc No they don’t. They want to keep the roads free so those guys and girls can get to & from work easier and quicker. A lot of people pretending that working from home only happened because of the pandemic. I’ve done it for ten years and I’m younger than a fair few on this thread - my work ethic hasn’t changed. I still get on with it and deliver results. This isn’t new, it’s normal for a lot of people.
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Post by Kilo on May 15, 2022 0:35:02 GMT
As usual some people's views are biased due to comments made by politicians on this subject and very often politicians views on a subject are heavily laden with London bias and with little knowledge of how many companies outside of London work.
I've worked in offices and from home and I'm more than happy working from home and very lucky that I have a cellar which has a window and glass door out to the garden so this has been set up as my office for the past twenty years. I worked for one company for 15 years with the last 3 of those from home, but 5 of those 15 I was the only bloke working in an office with 5 women. Whilst it was quite nice due to them all being half my age and quite keen on the eye, by the end of the 5 years they were having to shout at me to take a call as my brain seemed to have developed deafness to their voices due to the incessant chatter about Emmerdale, Eastenders and Coronation Street from the night before. I may well sit and watch a bit of cricket when working from home or stop to fill the washing machine but equally I will pause for an hour in the evening to cook some food and then go back to the office and work into the early hours. I talk to people on the phone and go out to visit clients which suits me. However I now work from home because I have my own company and I'm my only employee - Christmas Parties are cack though.
What people seem to be missing here is at that company, over the years, I trained up half a dozen youngsters to do my job (or parts of it at least) and if 85% of people want to work at home, if they are allowed to then I believe those companies that allow it will eventually fail as in a few years time there won't be the talent coming through to replace those who've left or retired.
I wouldn't know half the stuff I do know if I hadn't spent the first 30 years of my work career in an office learning the business from older people. Lots of kids these days are already coming out of school knowing nothing and the ones that have had two years of home schooling followed by a future of learning in work where nobody is there to teach them are going to be of less use than the office plants.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 15, 2022 7:15:02 GMT
Boo hoo for the 85% I want stay at home not have the inconvenience of having go to the office and speak to people. The want trying be a groundworker, ambulance responder, plasterer, prison guard, military person, plumber etc No they don’t. They want to keep the roads free so those guys and girls can get to & from work easier and quicker. A lot of people pretending that working from home only happened because of the pandemic. I’ve done it for ten years and I’m younger than a fair few on this thread - my work ethic hasn’t changed. I still get on with it and deliver results. This isn’t new, it’s normal for a lot of people. Spot on. Exactly so. Nobody is claiming that everyone wants to wfh nor that every job is suitable. However, it's quite clear that most people in those jobs that are suitable want to do it more. It's a shame that the responses from those against it seem to be based around little more than accusations of bone idleness, being anti-social, workshy etc.
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