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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 15, 2022 7:15:58 GMT
85% of people want more homeworking but you, apparently, know none of them. That suggests a very limited group of contacts. Perhaps it's the nature of the group you move in? Or maybe the ONS survey was rubbish? Boo hoo for the 85% I want stay at home not have the inconvenience of having go to the office and speak to people. The want trying be a groundworker, ambulance responder, plasterer, prison guard, military person, plumber etc What happened to the will of the people, those who liked this?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 15, 2022 7:18:02 GMT
Tell us the story, Deputy Bluers (aka Alan Sugar) is boring everyone to death. Redwhinenblue just whines. He like to think he’s clever. He isn’t. "Predictable and pernicious ad hominem attack" as usual lol
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Post by andystokey on May 15, 2022 7:33:56 GMT
Do you think the example you state is the primary motivation of Mogg when he is stalking the corridors of Whitehall leaving cursory threatening notes to folk out of the office or the kind of client journalism we saw with Johnson yesterday? They are making it Political. I’m not interested in Mogg or the Westminster bubble. I am interested in what is happening in real life. If we aren't going into the office then the UK government can sell off all those very expensive London properties housing civil servants. Put the money back into the pot and on the rare occasions they want to meet up they can commute to an office in Stoke or the North where rental is cheaper and more central for the remote workers. Level us up.
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Post by partickpotter on May 15, 2022 7:44:27 GMT
I’m not interested in Mogg or the Westminster bubble. I am interested in what is happening in real life. If we aren't going into the office then the UK government can sell off all those very expensive London properties housing civil servants. Put the money back into the pot and on the rare occasions they want to meet up they can commute to an office in Stoke or the North where rental is cheaper and more central for the remote workers. Level us up. Absolutely. That’s one dynamic. If I was a London worker I’d be bearing this in mind. WFH could very quickly become NotWFH. My example showed how that is already happening in the world of commerce. But, it did point out that it also came with a cost to local businesses. I’ve no answer to the wfh situation. I’m just interested in the full picture (rather than the prejudiced one some simple minded posters on this forum indulge in).
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 15, 2022 7:49:07 GMT
It’s fine.
I think some people take the piss but then people do that anyway.
It’s just another bit of this whole inane culture war shit putting people who have far more in common at odds so the wankers at the top don’t get the flak. And people take it in because they can’t think critically. The last decade in a nutshell.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 15, 2022 7:52:15 GMT
The (usual deadhead) people making WFH to be a party political (read evil Tory) question are, as ever, missing the bigger picture. Here’s the bigger picture. Just been chatting with a friend of mine who runs a company in Glasgow. She told me a member of her team is resigning because she has a new job with a US multinational with a base in London. She will be working from home. The reason is salary maths. Note the following numbers are indicative not actual but serve to demonstrate the point. This person is currently paid £45k in Glasgow (a highly competitive local salary). The US multinational paid her role £100K in London. They will now pay the girl £60k in Glasgow. So, who’s happy? The US multinational who make a 40% salary saving and the girl in Glasgow who gets a 33% boost to her salary. Who’s not happy? The person who used to do that job in London who now has no job. The friend of mine in Glasgow running her business who can not compete with the US multinational. BTW, this is not an isolated incident. So, be aware that WFH may well turn into Not WFH because you won’t have a job if your job can be done by someone else working cheaper from their home. The Tory party keep bringing it up. They’ve made it an issue. 😂😂
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 15, 2022 7:55:15 GMT
85% of people want more homeworking but you, apparently, know none of them. That suggests a very limited group of contacts. Perhaps it's the nature of the group you move in? Or maybe the ONS survey was rubbish? Boo hoo for the 85% I want stay at home not have the inconvenience of having go to the office and speak to people. The want trying be a groundworker, ambulance responder, plasterer, prison guard, military person, plumber etc Because they’re proper job. What shit and you’re falling right into the trap of the culture war bollocks. Naive and pathetic.
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Post by mattador78 on May 15, 2022 7:59:11 GMT
Technically I could do my job from home as the quality manager of an aerospace compliant company, the majority of my work can be done on computer. Practically it would never work as my hands on experience of the operations is more relevant than the paperwork side
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 15, 2022 8:15:13 GMT
Technically I could do my job from home as the quality manager of an aerospace compliant company, the majority of my work can be done on computer. Practically it would never work as my hands on experience of the operations is more relevant than the paperwork side I think we're all agreed that it's not suitable for every job nor every person, and that surveys show that most people want to do more of it. Which takes me back to the original point, why are the Tory Party and Tory Press engaging in this campaign right now ? What's behind it really?
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Post by questionable on May 15, 2022 8:25:26 GMT
I’ve worked from from home since March 2020 and it suites me downs to the ground as I don’t get disrupted and crack on with things in a more timely manner,
If I had to return to an office I’d seriously have to think about finishing work completely as the hours per week spent traveling and OFC Petrol prices don’t seem worth it for me.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 15, 2022 8:28:30 GMT
I’ve worked from from home since March 2020 and it suites me downs to the ground as I don’t get disrupted and crack on with things in a more timely manner, If I had to return to an office I’d seriously have to think about finishing work completely as the hours per week spent traveling and OFC Petrol prices don’t seem worth it for me. So you're not a workshy, bone idle slacker and you're saving money. Seems like a win for you and your employer.
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Post by sd22 on May 15, 2022 8:55:53 GMT
During peak WFH times, I worked 6am - 8pm. I would have not done so if it meant staying at the office. Start my new job next Monday, with a 2 day WFH split.
I love the flexibility of being able to stay in and have stuff done that are a struggle at weekends (as there is high demand for services at weekends etc) also WFH lets me get in a few extra hours to make my life easier, whether that’s paid overtime or not. Whilst in the office im a habitual ‘contracted hours worker’. Start bob on 9, take, to the minute, my allotted lunch hour/half hour. Log off at 5 and in the car by 1702.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 15, 2022 8:57:30 GMT
During peak WFH times, I worked 6am - 8pm. I would have not done do if it meant staying at the office. Start my new job next Monday, with a 2 day WFH split. I love the flexibility of being able to stay in and have stuff done that are a struggle at weekends (as there is high demand for services at weekends etc) also WFH lets me get in a few extra hours to make my life easier, whether that’s paid overtime or not. Whilst in the office im a habitual ‘contracted hours worker’. Start bob on 9, take, to the minute, my allotted lunch hour/half hour. Log off at 5 and in the car by 1702. You workshy scrounger.
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Post by sd22 on May 15, 2022 9:16:17 GMT
During peak WFH times, I worked 6am - 8pm. I would have not done do if it meant staying at the office. Start my new job next Monday, with a 2 day WFH split. I love the flexibility of being able to stay in and have stuff done that are a struggle at weekends (as there is high demand for services at weekends etc) also WFH lets me get in a few extra hours to make my life easier, whether that’s paid overtime or not. Whilst in the office im a habitual ‘contracted hours worker’. Start bob on 9, take, to the minute, my allotted lunch hour/half hour. Log off at 5 and in the car by 1702. You workshy scrounger. Got to make sure I watch a season of friends a day and get 4 loads of washing in, occasionally wiggle the mouse as to not go ‘away’ on MSteams. I’m a pro at being a workshy scrounger😉
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Post by questionable on May 15, 2022 10:43:51 GMT
I’ve worked from from home since March 2020 and it suites me downs to the ground as I don’t get disrupted and crack on with things in a more timely manner, If I had to return to an office I’d seriously have to think about finishing work completely as the hours per week spent traveling and OFC Petrol prices don’t seem worth it for me. So you're not a workshy, bone idle slacker and you're saving money. Seems like a win for you and your employer. u I’ve worked from from home since March 2020 and it suites me downs to the ground as I don’t get disrupted and crack on with things in a more timely manner, If I had to return to an office I’d seriously have to think about finishing work completely as the hours per week spent traveling and OFC Petrol prices don’t seem worth it for me. So you're not a workshy, bone idle slacker and you're saving money. Seems like a win for you and your employer. I don’t as a rule reply to such replies but here we go, I’m of an age where I’m thinking about retiring early, I have a good job with fantastic management who cater for my needs, yes I have diagnosed medical issue that won’t go away and I “still work FT” and “manage” it with medication. PS I’ve never had a day off sick in 20 years. Then there’s the fact I’ve saved and invested wisely over the years to look after my family, put my kids through University oh and gone without myself to make sure my family always come first “always” I don’t expect an apology but thought I’d let you know my “facts”, PS you should always edge on the side of caution (or say nothing??) before posting. Have a good day 👍
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Post by elystokie on May 15, 2022 11:27:37 GMT
So you're not a workshy, bone idle slacker and you're saving money. Seems like a win for you and your employer. u So you're not a workshy, bone idle slacker and you're saving money. Seems like a win for you and your employer. I don’t as a rule reply to such replies but here we go, I’m of an age where I’m thinking about retiring early, I have a good job with fantastic management who cater for my needs, yes I have diagnosed medical issue that won’t go away and I “still work FT” and “manage” it with medication. PS I’ve never had a day off sick in 20 years. Then there’s the fact I’ve saved and invested wisely over the years to look after my family, put my kids through University oh and gone without myself to make sure my family always come first “always” I don’t expect an apology but thought I’d let you know my “facts”, PS you should always edge on the side of caution (or say nothing??) before posting. Have a good day 👍 From a bystanders viewpoint it appears you may have missed the sarcasm in RWB's post, I'd read it as him backing you rather than criticising you
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Post by tommycarlsberg on May 15, 2022 22:01:44 GMT
Monday and Friday from home and the days in between are in the office.
I'm unbelievably lazy at home though so I go in on a Monday now voluntarily. Can never find somewhere comfortable at home.
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Post by musik on May 15, 2022 22:09:21 GMT
I was told recently working from home can't be considered a real job.
Why, I asked.
Simply because noone controls what you're doing.
Discuss.
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Post by JoeinOz on May 15, 2022 23:10:11 GMT
Lots of people have preferred to work from home and have been in situations where it's possible, for years. Often they were told they had to be in the office onthe misapprehension people are more productive there.
In the last two and a half years it's become abundantly clear insistence on attendance isn't about productivity. It's about power and control.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 16, 2022 6:08:43 GMT
www.nibusinessinfo.co.uk/content/advantages-and-disadvantages-employees-working-homei think this is a pretty balanced article. I guess it all comes down to the individual but for me having done hybrid working i couldn’t get back into the office quick enough. I love the office environment having been in one all my life and having developed a lot of friendships from work due to moving down south when i was 17. I don’t think for younger people being isolated from the workplace is a great lifestyle unless they’ve developed friendships from School. Where do they meet people now? Social media? Will they get lonely and depressed especially if there office is miles away so there’s no chance they have the opportunity to meet others eg office in London one guy lives in Essex another in Kent. What i’ve found working in the office is that you feel more of a team and are far more willing to discuss what’s happening in work than at home (i’m not talking gossiping either) and you’re more willing to help each other out more. I’ve never looked on it as being controlled but all said and done if we don’t have management telling people what to do and having an element of control like it or not the job won’t get done. Each to there own though i guess.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 16, 2022 6:42:42 GMT
www.nibusinessinfo.co.uk/content/advantages-and-disadvantages-employees-working-homei think this is a pretty balanced article. I guess it all comes down to the individual but for me having done hybrid working i couldn’t get back into the office quick enough. I love the office environment having been in one all my life and having developed a lot of friendships from work due to moving down south when i was 17. I don’t think for younger people being isolated from the workplace is a great lifestyle unless they’ve developed friendships from School. Where do they meet people now? Social media? Will they get lonely and depressed especially if there office is miles away so there’s no chance they have the opportunity to meet others eg office in London one guy lives in Essex another in Kent. What i’ve found working in the office is that you feel more of a team and are far more willing to discuss what’s happening in work than at home (i’m not talking gossiping either) and you’re more willing to help each other out more. I’ve never looked on it as being controlled but all said and done if we don’t have management telling people what to do and having an element of control like it or not the job won’t get done. Each to there own though i guess. If only it was each to their own and people were free to choose homeworking where their jobs are suitable. Instead there is a concerted campaign from certain quarters to force people back to defined places of work. That's the point. Meanwhile, in Stoke... www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/15/remote-working-uk-equal-jacob-rees-mogg
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Post by partickpotter on May 16, 2022 6:43:13 GMT
www.nibusinessinfo.co.uk/content/advantages-and-disadvantages-employees-working-homei think this is a pretty balanced article. I guess it all comes down to the individual but for me having done hybrid working i couldn’t get back into the office quick enough. I love the office environment having been in one all my life and having developed a lot of friendships from work due to moving down south when i was 17. I don’t think for younger people being isolated from the workplace is a great lifestyle unless they’ve developed friendships from School. Where do they meet people now? Social media? Will they get lonely and depressed especially if there office is miles away so there’s no chance they have the opportunity to meet others eg office in London one guy lives in Essex another in Kent. What i’ve found working in the office is that you feel more of a team and are far more willing to discuss what’s happening in work than at home (i’m not talking gossiping either) and you’re more willing to help each other out more. I’ve never looked on it as being controlled but all said and done if we don’t have management telling people what to do and having an element of control like it or not the job won’t get done. Each to there own though i guess. That seems to be a prevailing sentiment among the pro WFHs. I’m all right Jack. But work is about the collective. So, while folk focus on what suits them as the singular (appropriately!) consideration they seem to ignore other factors particularly team work and how team dynamics benefit everyone.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 16, 2022 6:50:41 GMT
I was told recently working from home can't be considered a real job. Why, I asked. Simply because noone controls what you're doing. Discuss. If your manager told you that your reply should've been "In that case you are clearly irrelevant and should be fired". The idea that micro-managing everyone by observing what they're doing constantly is the only way to achieve results is ridiculous. Micromanagement is one of the most common complaints from employees wherever they work.
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Post by lordb on May 16, 2022 7:27:36 GMT
Currently on a wet M6 going to the office Apparently this is good for my mental health 🙄
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 16, 2022 8:42:14 GMT
www.nibusinessinfo.co.uk/content/advantages-and-disadvantages-employees-working-homei think this is a pretty balanced article. I guess it all comes down to the individual but for me having done hybrid working i couldn’t get back into the office quick enough. I love the office environment having been in one all my life and having developed a lot of friendships from work due to moving down south when i was 17. I don’t think for younger people being isolated from the workplace is a great lifestyle unless they’ve developed friendships from School. Where do they meet people now? Social media? Will they get lonely and depressed especially if there office is miles away so there’s no chance they have the opportunity to meet others eg office in London one guy lives in Essex another in Kent. What i’ve found working in the office is that you feel more of a team and are far more willing to discuss what’s happening in work than at home (i’m not talking gossiping either) and you’re more willing to help each other out more. I’ve never looked on it as being controlled but all said and done if we don’t have management telling people what to do and having an element of control like it or not the job won’t get done. Each to there own though i guess. If only it was each to their own and people were free to choose homeworking where their jobs are suitable. Instead there is a concerted campaign from certain quarters to force people back to defined places of work. That's the point. Meanwhile, in Stoke... www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/15/remote-working-uk-equal-jacob-rees-moggi guess the Guardian is to the left what the mail is to the right so I guess we take no notice of either if past comments are anything to go by.
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Post by flea79 on May 16, 2022 9:43:31 GMT
I’ve worked from from home since March 2020 and it suites me downs to the ground as I don’t get disrupted and crack on with things in a more timely manner, If I had to return to an office I’d seriously have to think about finishing work completely as the hours per week spent traveling and OFC Petrol prices don’t seem worth it for me. i just turned down a job with a good pay rise due to two days a week in the office and the cost of the commute to said office and the increase in fuel costs at home im still better of staying where i am with 5 days a week in the office and a 3 mile daily commute which on nice days i bike too
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Post by elystokie on May 16, 2022 9:44:37 GMT
www.nibusinessinfo.co.uk/content/advantages-and-disadvantages-employees-working-homei think this is a pretty balanced article. I guess it all comes down to the individual but for me having done hybrid working i couldn’t get back into the office quick enough. I love the office environment having been in one all my life and having developed a lot of friendships from work due to moving down south when i was 17. I don’t think for younger people being isolated from the workplace is a great lifestyle unless they’ve developed friendships from School. Where do they meet people now? Social media? Will they get lonely and depressed especially if there office is miles away so there’s no chance they have the opportunity to meet others eg office in London one guy lives in Essex another in Kent. What i’ve found working in the office is that you feel more of a team and are far more willing to discuss what’s happening in work than at home (i’m not talking gossiping either) and you’re more willing to help each other out more. I’ve never looked on it as being controlled but all said and done if we don’t have management telling people what to do and having an element of control like it or not the job won’t get done. Each to there own though i guess. If only it was each to their own and people were free to choose homeworking where their jobs are suitable. Instead there is a concerted campaign from certain quarters to force people back to defined places of work. That's the point. Meanwhile, in Stoke... www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/15/remote-working-uk-equal-jacob-rees-mogg"and while the owners of fast-emptying glass towers in the City may be dismayed" It would appear they are, hence all the hand-wringing from those whose mates might lose out. The Spode model looks interesting, maybe similar places could be considered for each of the six towns eventually.
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 16, 2022 10:03:11 GMT
www.nibusinessinfo.co.uk/content/advantages-and-disadvantages-employees-working-homei think this is a pretty balanced article. I guess it all comes down to the individual but for me having done hybrid working i couldn’t get back into the office quick enough. I love the office environment having been in one all my life and having developed a lot of friendships from work due to moving down south when i was 17. I don’t think for younger people being isolated from the workplace is a great lifestyle unless they’ve developed friendships from School. Where do they meet people now? Social media? Will they get lonely and depressed especially if there office is miles away so there’s no chance they have the opportunity to meet others eg office in London one guy lives in Essex another in Kent. What i’ve found working in the office is that you feel more of a team and are far more willing to discuss what’s happening in work than at home (i’m not talking gossiping either) and you’re more willing to help each other out more. I’ve never looked on it as being controlled but all said and done if we don’t have management telling people what to do and having an element of control like it or not the job won’t get done. Each to there own though i guess. That seems to be a prevailing sentiment among the pro WFHs. I’m all right Jack. But work is about the collective. So, while folk focus on what suits them as the singular (appropriately!) consideration they seem to ignore other factors particularly team work and how team dynamics benefit everyone. "I'm alright Jack" seems to the common theme on both sides of the argument though, the employers with big expensive office space, the politicians pushing for people to get back into the office whilst holding consultancy roles at property companies, the businesses that rely on footfall to succeed. Someone wanting to make a positive step towards their work/life balance is no different, looking after themselves and their family albeit I would argue for far more scrupulous reasons. The lazy argument I don't buy, done properly it is no different to managing an employee in the office, it's about that individuals role and if the output matches the requirements. I have staff that work from home and if they were taking the piss I'd soon know about it. There is a perfectly happy medium for a lot of businesses which is hybrid working, downsizing office space or using working "hubs" for team meetings/gatherings. For those businesses that are unwilling to adapt they may see their roles becoming less attractive down the line, only time will tell.......
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Post by Orbs on May 16, 2022 10:34:12 GMT
I WFH 3 days a week and out for the other 2 days. Suits me perfectly. What gets me is when Mrs Orbs comes home from work and expects the tea to be ready and all the tidying etc done.
‘I’m still at work, I’m just doing it at home!’
(Having said that it’s difficult to skip Homes under the hammer don’t you think?)
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Post by superjw on May 16, 2022 11:20:31 GMT
I WFH 3 days a week and out for the other 2 days. Suits me perfectly. What gets me is when Mrs Orbs comes home from work and expects the tea to be ready and all the tidying etc done. ‘I’m still at work, I’m just doing it at home!’ (Having said that it’s difficult to skip Homes under the hammer don’t you think?) I had this at first from my Mrs when I started at home, there was this half expectation that certain things got done around the house just because I was in, which isn't the case when I am working solid. I said in the end, treat it as if I was at the office, the same amount of nothing at home will get done in work time!
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