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Post by march4 on Aug 19, 2022 18:31:10 GMT
Injury, injury, injury. Season after season after season. I don’t believe in coincidences. So, March, to what do you attribute the cause of the problem? To me, our players never look fit. They fade in games and they fade in the second half of the season. That can’t be good for avoiding injuries can it?
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Post by wingy11 on Aug 19, 2022 18:32:18 GMT
Yes. The incorrect conditioning of a player can increase the liklihood of injury, including impact injuries. To put it simply. Over conditioning/ training during preseason (common occurrence) can cause lower limb structure fragility. Getting an impact on a fragile ankle vs non fragile/ well conditioning ankle will result in a higher rate of injury. So now it's not the players are not fit enough, it's the players are over conditioned and over trained i.e. too fit. Players today are just soft snow flakes, it only takes a knock and its 6/8 weeks, i think they are over protective as well at stoke and let them take longer than they should to Fully recover.. Knowing how important the wing back role is you need a good 5 players who can play it as they basically do all the pushing forward and then defending..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2022 19:04:44 GMT
So now it's not the players are not fit enough, it's the players are over conditioned and over trained i.e. too fit. Players today are just soft snow flakes, it only takes a knock and its 6/8 weeks, i think they are over protective as well at stoke and let them take longer than they should to Fully recover.. Knowing how important the wing back role is you need a good 5 players who can play it as they basically do all the pushing forward and then defending.. I don't buy that. Tymon, Laurent and Wilmot don't strike me as snowflakes.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 19, 2022 19:14:34 GMT
So, March, to what do you attribute the cause of the problem? To me, our players never look fit. They fade in games and they fade in the second half of the season. That can’t be good for avoiding injuries can it? I think you’re right re this. I know it’s a different level but watching the Spurs v Chelsea game last week they’re on a different planet re fitness. We just look so sluggish.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Aug 19, 2022 20:25:39 GMT
Jordan Ambigo , spelling is wrong, on his way, Keep Warm by Jinny,,,Would you class that as Italo House or Eurodance,,mate? Don't know that one, you hum and I will play it, ,,,,
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 20, 2022 0:21:33 GMT
To me, our players never look fit. They fade in games and they fade in the second half of the season. That can’t be good for avoiding injuries can it? I think you’re right re this. I know it’s a different level but watching the Spurs v Chelsea game last week they’re on a different planet re fitness. We just look so sluggish. Not a surprise we don't seem particularly fit, did you see preseason, it was the same slow strolling around that we've been doing in recent games. I know there's more to it than just what they do in matches but it can't help.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 20, 2022 6:04:06 GMT
I think you’re right re this. I know it’s a different level but watching the Spurs v Chelsea game last week they’re on a different planet re fitness. We just look so sluggish. Not a surprise we don't seem particularly fit, did you see preseason, it was the same slow strolling around that we've been doing in recent games. I know there's more to it than just what they do in matches but it can't help. Makes sense total lack of intensity unlike the teams we’re up against. There are times when we look like we’re playing walking football.
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Post by questionable on Aug 20, 2022 6:22:39 GMT
Not a surprise we don't seem particularly fit, did you see preseason, it was the same slow strolling around that we've been doing in recent games. I know there's more to it than just what they do in matches but it can't help. Makes sense total lack of intensity unlike the teams we’re up against. There are times when we look like we’re playing walking football. It really annoyed me on goal kicks Wednesday when we had two players in our box, Bursik tapped the ball to them as if we’re Barcelona and could waltz past opponents with ease. MON is seriously, seriously deluded, Jones was clearly nuts but MON goes way beyond that, deserved a draw my arse.
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Post by lordb on Aug 20, 2022 8:40:29 GMT
Makes sense total lack of intensity unlike the teams we’re up against. There are times when we look like we’re playing walking football. It really annoyed me on goal kicks Wednesday when we had two players in our box, Bursik tapped the ball to them as if we’re Barcelona and could waltz past opponents with ease. MON is seriously, seriously deluded, Jones was clearly nuts but MON goes way beyond that, deserved a draw my arse. To be fair pretty much every side is doing the same Boro certainly did It's absolute rubbish
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 20, 2022 9:08:38 GMT
It really annoyed me on goal kicks Wednesday when we had two players in our box, Bursik tapped the ball to them as if we’re Barcelona and could waltz past opponents with ease. MON is seriously, seriously deluded, Jones was clearly nuts but MON goes way beyond that, deserved a draw my arse. To be fair pretty much every side is doing the same Boro certainly did It's absolute rubbish It’s not rubbish if your team know how to use the ball to progress it up the pitch but we don’t. If you’re going to boot it long in the end anyway get more bodies up the pitch to fight for it. Make your selections accordingly Smallbone is only going to prosper in a side that moves the ball quickly looks like the slow moribund approach renders him a liability.
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 20, 2022 9:12:19 GMT
It really annoyed me on goal kicks Wednesday when we had two players in our box, Bursik tapped the ball to them as if we’re Barcelona and could waltz past opponents with ease. MON is seriously, seriously deluded, Jones was clearly nuts but MON goes way beyond that, deserved a draw my arse. To be fair pretty much every side is doing the same Boro certainly did It's absolute rubbish It really is. One thing I did like with Boro was their warm up involved lots of match type drills. Attacking play with balls played into the box. They looked a lot sharper than we did.
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Post by biglad180 on Aug 20, 2022 9:17:20 GMT
i think Frazier Forster is a keeper we should be looking at,
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Post by nigerianstokie on Aug 20, 2022 9:22:18 GMT
i think Frazier Forster is a keeper we should be looking at, He signed for Spurs.
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Post by march4 on Aug 20, 2022 9:23:44 GMT
It really annoyed me on goal kicks Wednesday when we had two players in our box, Bursik tapped the ball to them as if we’re Barcelona and could waltz past opponents with ease. MON is seriously, seriously deluded, Jones was clearly nuts but MON goes way beyond that, deserved a draw my arse. To be fair pretty much every side is doing the same Boro certainly did It's absolute rubbish The difference for Boro as with other clubs playing against us is that they can simply pass the ball along the ground into the centre circle because our midfield is non-existent.
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Post by lordb on Aug 20, 2022 9:33:29 GMT
To be fair pretty much every side is doing the same Boro certainly did It's absolute rubbish The difference for Boro as with other clubs playing against us is that they can simply pass the ball along the ground into the centre circle because our midfield is non-existent. Nah they did the same as us Keeper passes square, opposition press, ends up with defender lumping it Watch any game everyone is doing it it's wank
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 20, 2022 9:51:38 GMT
It really annoyed me on goal kicks Wednesday when we had two players in our box, Bursik tapped the ball to them as if we’re Barcelona and could waltz past opponents with ease. MON is seriously, seriously deluded, Jones was clearly nuts but MON goes way beyond that, deserved a draw my arse. To be fair pretty much every side is doing the same Boro certainly did It's absolute rubbish I used to love it when we played Swansea and they were doing the same, it was just so easy to press against them and win the ball high up the pitch.
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Post by sportsman on Aug 20, 2022 10:21:56 GMT
To be fair pretty much every side is doing the same Boro certainly did It's absolute rubbish It’s not rubbish if your team know how to use the ball to progress it up the pitch but we don’t. If you’re going to boot it long in the end anyway get more bodies up the pitch to fight for it. Make your selections accordingly Smallbone is only going to prosper in a side that moves the ball quickly looks like the slow moribund approach renders him a liability. I've seen goals and points in games where we've passed it through the back and midfield and played some good stuff. We can do, we more often than not just don't complete simple passes.
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Post by sportsman on Aug 20, 2022 10:23:16 GMT
To be fair pretty much every side is doing the same Boro certainly did It's absolute rubbish I used to love it when we played Swansea and they were doing the same, it was just so easy to press against them and win the ball high up the pitch. That was one of the funniest things in a long while watching them try play like man citeh when they went up.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 20, 2022 10:29:49 GMT
It’s not rubbish if your team know how to use the ball to progress it up the pitch but we don’t. If you’re going to boot it long in the end anyway get more bodies up the pitch to fight for it. Make your selections accordingly Smallbone is only going to prosper in a side that moves the ball quickly looks like the slow moribund approach renders him a liability. I've seen goals and points in games where we've passed it through the back and midfield and played some good stuff. We can do, we more often than not just don't complete simple passes. Sure we can. There were some nice phases of play vs Blackpool and it looked like we'd ditched the overly ponderous approach to moving the ball only for it to come right back the very next home game. We've been here too many times, chinks of light surrounded by a sea of shit.
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Post by march4 on Aug 20, 2022 10:45:31 GMT
The difference for Boro as with other clubs playing against us is that they can simply pass the ball along the ground into the centre circle because our midfield is non-existent. Nah they did the same as us Keeper passes square, opposition press, ends up with defender lumping it Watch any game everyone is doing it it's wank They repeatedly side footed the ball to a waiting player in the centre circle. It was driving me mad watching our ineptness. Other than against our disorganised team I agree with you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2022 10:57:48 GMT
Ryan Woods to Hull this weekend ...poor Hull
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Post by stokest5 on Aug 20, 2022 10:57:57 GMT
The difference for Boro as with other clubs playing against us is that they can simply pass the ball along the ground into the centre circle because our midfield is non-existent. Nah they did the same as us Keeper passes square, opposition press, ends up with defender lumping it Watch any game everyone is doing it it's wank Wouldn’t said they did the same has us. They ran rings around us. Our attempt at playing from the back failed miserably. The massive thing we lack is intensity. Playing from the back you can probably predict the next 2-3 passes but we are that slow and laboured it doesn’t work and closed down.
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Post by cvillestokie on Aug 20, 2022 11:02:51 GMT
To be fair pretty much every side is doing the same Boro certainly did It's absolute rubbish It’s not rubbish if your team know how to use the ball to progress it up the pitch but we don’t. If you’re going to boot it long in the end anyway get more bodies up the pitch to fight for it. Make your selections accordingly Smallbone is only going to prosper in a side that moves the ball quickly looks like the slow moribund approach renders him a liability. The entire league is like this. I watched Forest about 7-8x last year and more than half of those times, the football was turgid under Cooper. Teams play it sides, back, forwards, back, sideways, back, forwards, back, sideways……and on and on and on. Inevitably they then make a mistake, hoof it, or lucky that they’ve bored the opposition to tears enough that there’s a small opening. This league wants to act like the Premier League, but the only Premier League players in it are has beens like Jagielka or failures like the rest. It’s crap football played by crap players, watched by bored fans. Very occasionally, a team will play well and it will all click. That’s not often the case, even for the majority of the better teams.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 20, 2022 11:05:27 GMT
Nah they did the same as us Keeper passes square, opposition press, ends up with defender lumping it Watch any game everyone is doing it it's wank They repeatedly side footed the ball to a waiting player in the centre circle. It was driving me mad watching our ineptness. Other than against our disorganised team I agree with you. There are numerous frustrating and confusing things that are consistent in our play. What is the idea of when you have a throw only one player moves to make himself available for the ball. What are the others meant to be doing, conserving energy? It's been really gripping my shit for ages and at last during the Boro game it became obvious that it was pissing no end of other fans off and they made it known.
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Post by cvillestokie on Aug 20, 2022 11:10:39 GMT
They repeatedly side footed the ball to a waiting player in the centre circle. It was driving me mad watching our ineptness. Other than against our disorganised team I agree with you. There are numerous frustrating and confusing things that are consistent in our play. What is the idea of when you have a throw only one player moves to make himself available for the ball. What are the others meant to be doing, conserving energy? It's been really gripping my shit for ages and at last during the Boro game it became obvious that it was pissing no end of other fans off and they made it known. The throw ins drive me insane. Throw to the closest centre mid, get it back, give away a throw. Take 5 mins to do it. If we don’t have a long throw expert, then we should practice fast throw ins as a set piece with an actually calculated movement. If they lack the brain cells to learn more in there 15 hour work week, then we should just make it a policy that 2 players nearest the ball make a quick sprint and the throw taker has to aim for one of them. Players should jog/sprint to the touch line to get the ball. That would easily energize the fans and show a sense of urgency.
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Post by chamberlain on Aug 20, 2022 11:14:43 GMT
They repeatedly side footed the ball to a waiting player in the centre circle. It was driving me mad watching our ineptness. Other than against our disorganised team I agree with you. There are numerous frustrating and confusing things that are consistent in our play. What is the idea of when you have a throw only one player moves to make himself available for the ball. What are the others meant to be doing, conserving energy? It's been really gripping my shit for ages and at last during the Boro game it became obvious that it was pissing no end of other fans off and they made it known. Mine too , our throw ins are atrocious
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 20, 2022 11:16:19 GMT
It’s not rubbish if your team know how to use the ball to progress it up the pitch but we don’t. If you’re going to boot it long in the end anyway get more bodies up the pitch to fight for it. Make your selections accordingly Smallbone is only going to prosper in a side that moves the ball quickly looks like the slow moribund approach renders him a liability. The entire league is like this. I watched Forest about 7-8x last year and more than half of those times, the football was turgid under Cooper. Teams play it sides, back, forwards, back, sideways, back, forwards, back, sideways……and on and on and on. Inevitably they then make a mistake, hoof it, or lucky that they’ve bored the opposition to tears enough that there’s a small opening. This league wants to act like the Premier League, but the only Premier League players in it are has beens like Jagielka or failures like the rest. It’s crap football played by crap players, watched by bored fans. Very occasionally, a team will play well and it will all click. That’s not often the case, even for the majority of the better teams. Sorry I'm not seeing it at the same level in other teams we come up against the slowness, lack of tempo, intensity, urgency, aggression. Granted the quality of football in this league is quite poor and yes it all clicks every now and then and even we look good but generally speaking I'm thinking I'd rather watch how our opponent plays than us. Classic example from last season Peterboro shit team relegated lost to us at our place and I still went away thinking I'd sooner watch the way they play than watch us.
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Post by lordb on Aug 20, 2022 11:47:44 GMT
The entire league is like this. I watched Forest about 7-8x last year and more than half of those times, the football was turgid under Cooper. Teams play it sides, back, forwards, back, sideways, back, forwards, back, sideways……and on and on and on. Inevitably they then make a mistake, hoof it, or lucky that they’ve bored the opposition to tears enough that there’s a small opening. This league wants to act like the Premier League, but the only Premier League players in it are has beens like Jagielka or failures like the rest. It’s crap football played by crap players, watched by bored fans. Very occasionally, a team will play well and it will all click. That’s not often the case, even for the majority of the better teams. Sorry I'm not seeing it at the same level in other teams we come up against the slowness, lack of tempo, intensity, urgency, aggression. Granted the quality of football in this league is quite poor and yes it all clicks every now and then and even we look good but generally speaking I'm thinking I'd rather watch how our opponent plays than us. Classic example from last season Peterboro shit team relegated lost to us at our place and I still went away thinking I'd sooner watch the way they play than watch us. Watch games not involving Stoke takes the emotion out of it Everyone plays the same and most games it's shit
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 20, 2022 11:50:36 GMT
Sorry I'm not seeing it at the same level in other teams we come up against the slowness, lack of tempo, intensity, urgency, aggression. Granted the quality of football in this league is quite poor and yes it all clicks every now and then and even we look good but generally speaking I'm thinking I'd rather watch how our opponent plays than us. Classic example from last season Peterboro shit team relegated lost to us at our place and I still went away thinking I'd sooner watch the way they play than watch us. Watch games not involving Stoke takes the emotion out of it Everyone plays the same and most games it's shit Sorry I can't, I find it hard enough work watching Stoke games. No idea what last nights game was like for instance I was much happier watching The Hundred. If there was a test match on I wouldn't have dreamed of watching it. That (Hundred) sort of format is obviously what it takes to capture my attention. Fast, high drama, big 6's and wickets tumbling at regular intervals. Maybe football needs reformatting to make it more entertaining.
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 20, 2022 11:56:25 GMT
Ryan Woods to Hull this weekend ...poor Hull What a colossal waste of £7 Million he was.
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