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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jun 4, 2022 16:54:32 GMT
Ah yes the old faithful WeLl tElL mE a BetTeR pLaYeR then.
Easy, my nan.
And she’s been in a jar for over a decade.
Joe Allen is fucking wank and always has been.
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Post by realstokebloke on Jun 4, 2022 18:18:20 GMT
Ah yes the old faithful WeLl tElL mE a BetTeR pLaYeR then. Easy, my nan. And she’s been in a jar for over a decade. Joe Allen is fucking wank and always has been. Behave yourself man.
But yes, that old faithful does indeed apply.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jun 4, 2022 19:51:48 GMT
And at that amount of money, I'd expect a guy's passing to be far better. FFS there were matches this year I was wondering if he was ever going to pass to one of ours. I like Joe, but too expensive, never was the signing we needed at the time and dammit we need a DM in the mix! If possible I suggest you check out his stats for completed passes. I’ve been lucky in the past to have had the opportunity of talking with a few pros in the past and they’ve pointed out that a good pass also relies upon the ability of intended recipient. If they aren’t on the same wavelength of the guy making the pass it can seem the original pass was poor which in fact was an incorrect assumption. The same applies when players get caught in possession, on many occasions it’s because others aren’t making a safe/good pass possible. Unfortunately the vast majority of us only see what happens “on the ball” not what is or isn’t going on in split second moments of the immediate play.
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Post by dirtclod on Jun 5, 2022 5:25:16 GMT
And at that amount of money, I'd expect a guy's passing to be far better. FFS there were matches this year I was wondering if he was ever going to pass to one of ours. I like Joe, but too expensive, never was the signing we needed at the time and dammit we need a DM in the mix! If possible I suggest you check out his stats for completed passes. I’ve been lucky in the past to have had the opportunity of talking with a few pros in the past and they’ve pointed out that a good pass also relies upon the ability of intended recipient. If they aren’t on the same wavelength of the guy making the pass it can seem the original pass was poor which in fact was an incorrect assumption. The same applies when players get caught in possession, on many occasions it’s because others aren’t making a safe/good pass possible. Unfortunately the vast majority of us only see what happens “on the ball” not what is or isn’t going on in split second moments of the immediate play. Excellent point regarding passing. There has to be a mental connection for certain. It's still too much money and I never thought of him as an appropriate signing at the time. In my opinion, too easily knocked off a ball and just not my cup of tea as a midfielder. Even though I am among the legions who can't help but like Joe as a person. And some of those passes, he had open targets, just missed them completely or kicked them straight to opposing players.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jun 5, 2022 5:30:31 GMT
I actually think Allen's weakest point is his close control of the ball. It often bounces too far away from him, making dangerous turn over situations when we are trying to go forward.
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Post by noustie on Jun 5, 2022 9:25:26 GMT
And at that amount of money, I'd expect a guy's passing to be far better. FFS there were matches this year I was wondering if he was ever going to pass to one of ours. I like Joe, but too expensive, never was the signing we needed at the time and dammit we need a DM in the mix! If possible I suggest you check out his stats for completed passes. I’ve been lucky in the past to have had the opportunity of talking with a few pros in the past and they’ve pointed out that a good pass also relies upon the ability of intended recipient. If they aren’t on the same wavelength of the guy making the pass it can seem the original pass was poor which in fact was an incorrect assumption. The same applies when players get caught in possession, on many occasions it’s because others aren’t making a safe/good pass possible. Unfortunately the vast majority of us only see what happens “on the ball” not what is or isn’t going on in split second moments of the immediate play. Andy Cooke running five yards past the near post then demonstrably blaming Bjarni for wanding another one to no fucker on the back post used to melt my mind.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 5, 2022 9:37:04 GMT
Pass completion doesn’t really show the issue with Allen’s passing does it?
Whenever he tries to something over 10 yards it seems to be a 50/50 chance of getting there. Or there’s what seems like a pretty easy forward pass on that can get us up the pitch and he’ll screw it up. And it seems to happen so often.
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Post by potterpaul on Jun 5, 2022 10:07:02 GMT
And at that amount of money, I'd expect a guy's passing to be far better. FFS there were matches this year I was wondering if he was ever going to pass to one of ours. I like Joe, but too expensive, never was the signing we needed at the time and dammit we need a DM in the mix! If possible I suggest you check out his stats for completed passes. I’ve been lucky in the past to have had the opportunity of talking with a few pros in the past and they’ve pointed out that a good pass also relies upon the ability of intended recipient. If they aren’t on the same wavelength of the guy making the pass it can seem the original pass was poor which in fact was an incorrect assumption. The same applies when players get caught in possession, on many occasions it’s because others aren’t making a safe/good pass possible. Unfortunately the vast majority of us only see what happens “on the ball” not what is or isn’t going on in split second moments of the immediate play. I could except that ability of receiver is also paramount to a successful pass completion in normal circumstances but it really doesn't stand up when the passing player has such a poor control or first touch. This, has someone mentioned earlier, is his biggest issue. More often than not the ball bounces off him or pops up head/shoulder height and he finds himself under unnecessary pressure. Any good runs/reading of game from other players are lost due to this. It doesn't happen every time but often enough to instill doubt in other players which I believe makes us look like a team of statues in too many games.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 5, 2022 10:27:02 GMT
If possible I suggest you check out his stats for completed passes. I’ve been lucky in the past to have had the opportunity of talking with a few pros in the past and they’ve pointed out that a good pass also relies upon the ability of intended recipient. If they aren’t on the same wavelength of the guy making the pass it can seem the original pass was poor which in fact was an incorrect assumption. The same applies when players get caught in possession, on many occasions it’s because others aren’t making a safe/good pass possible. Unfortunately the vast majority of us only see what happens “on the ball” not what is or isn’t going on in split second moments of the immediate play. I could except that ability of receiver is also paramount to a successful pass completion in normal circumstances but it really doesn't stand up when the passing player has such a poor control or first touch. This, has someone mentioned earlier, is his biggest issue. More often than not the ball bounces off him or pops up head/shoulder height and he finds himself under unnecessary pressure. Any good runs/reading of game from other players are lost due to this. It doesn't happen every time but often enough to instill doubt in other players which I believe makes us look like a team of statues in too many games. That combined with a lack of physicality that sees him give away bitchy free kicks in dangerous areas. We’re starting to paint a picture that more resembles what I’ve regularly seen. Far too regularly tbh.
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Post by lordb on Jun 5, 2022 10:49:44 GMT
I could except that ability of receiver is also paramount to a successful pass completion in normal circumstances but it really doesn't stand up when the passing player has such a poor control or first touch. This, has someone mentioned earlier, is his biggest issue. More often than not the ball bounces off him or pops up head/shoulder height and he finds himself under unnecessary pressure. Any good runs/reading of game from other players are lost due to this. It doesn't happen every time but often enough to instill doubt in other players which I believe makes us look like a team of statues in too many games. That combined with a lack of physicality that sees him give away bitchy free kicks in dangerous areas. We’re starting to paint a picture that more resembles what I’ve regularly seen. Far too regularly tbh. OK, so bigger more mobile player Any names to suggest?
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Post by potterpaul on Jun 5, 2022 10:51:51 GMT
That combined with a lack of physicality that sees him give away bitchy free kicks in dangerous areas. We’re starting to paint a picture that more resembles what I’ve regularly seen. Far too regularly tbh. OK, so bigger more mobile player Any names to suggest? Ben Wilmot?
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 5, 2022 11:15:40 GMT
That combined with a lack of physicality that sees him give away bitchy free kicks in dangerous areas. We’re starting to paint a picture that more resembles what I’ve regularly seen. Far too regularly tbh. OK, so bigger more mobile player Any names to suggest? Already explained that yesterday I don't know the names of 95% of the players we face. How could you possibly expect me to give you a name. Rice, Deir, Matic type of player. Unfortunately my interest in the wider world of football has waned as Stoke have become shit it's still there with Stoke but only just.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 5, 2022 11:16:47 GMT
OK, so bigger more mobile player Any names to suggest? Ben Wilmot? I would have tried it ages ago, long before I ever tried playing him as a RWB.
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Post by kustokie on Jun 5, 2022 11:21:02 GMT
Yes by a country mile Baker is a better player than Allen. However, they have formed a good partnership, which is a good reason for keeping him. Allen, Powell and Baker in midfield would be as good as comes in this league.
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Post by maine on Jun 5, 2022 11:55:00 GMT
Robwahlman said-
'I actually think Allen's weakest point is his close control of the ball. It often bounces too far away from him, making dangerous turn over situations when we are trying to go forward.'
2 things.
1/ Joe is always ready and willing to be available to receive a pass. Not all our other midfielders are. 2/ It would help if idiots such as Ostigard, Wilmott and others didn't welly the ball at him full throttle over 15 yards.
Let's see how his control appears when he has other international level players passing to him later today.
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Post by wakeypotter on Jun 5, 2022 11:55:24 GMT
Not a massive fan of Allen but we have a lot bigger issues than him. He’s been better since bakers arrival
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 5, 2022 11:58:21 GMT
Robwahlman said- 'I actually think Allen's weakest point is his close control of the ball. It often bounces too far away from him, making dangerous turn over situations when we are trying to go forward.' 2 things. 1/ Joe is always ready and willing to be available to receive a pass. Not all our other midfielders are. 2/ It would help if idiots such as Ostigard, Wilmott and others didn't welly the ball at him full throttle over 15 yards. Let's see how his control appears when he has other international level players passing to him later today. Ostigard is an international. Wilmot has u21 caps for one of the better nations. 😂
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Post by questionable on Jun 5, 2022 12:30:43 GMT
At the end of the day we’re too dependent on mediocre players such as Allen who will never influence a game or progress this club, it’s a travesty we’re even discussing him being here beyond his contract expiring and him and ON are exactly what’s wrong with this stagnant club.
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Post by lordb on Jun 5, 2022 12:34:11 GMT
OK, so bigger more mobile player Any names to suggest? Ben Wilmot? That's a shout, I think he had one game there? Certainly worth a look However that would leave us needing another defender
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Jun 5, 2022 12:40:27 GMT
That's a shout, I think he had one game there? Certainly worth a look However that would leave us needing another defender Has nobody seen Wilmots passing?
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Post by lordb on Jun 5, 2022 12:43:30 GMT
That's a shout, I think he had one game there? Certainly worth a look However that would leave us needing another defender Has nobody seen Wilmots passing? Certainly inconsistent He can pass very well - he's not a Danny Batth - but clearly he gives it away far too often He really has to improve that, and improve that quickly This is part of my argument for keeping Allen, we could very easily replace him with someone who isn't better
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jun 5, 2022 12:46:55 GMT
And at that amount of money, I'd expect a guy's passing to be far better. FFS there were matches this year I was wondering if he was ever going to pass to one of ours. I like Joe, but too expensive, never was the signing we needed at the time and dammit we need a DM in the mix! If possible I suggest you check out his stats for completed passes. I’ve been lucky in the past to have had the opportunity of talking with a few pros in the past and they’ve pointed out that a good pass also relies upon the ability of intended recipient. If they aren’t on the same wavelength of the guy making the pass it can seem the original pass was poor which in fact was an incorrect assumption. The same applies when players get caught in possession, on many occasions it’s because others aren’t making a safe/good pass possible. Unfortunately the vast majority of us only see what happens “on the ball” not what is or isn’t going on in split second moments of the immediate play. It's like many fans expect Allen to be Nzonzi, who had many critics himself despite being excellent giving and receiving the ball.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 5, 2022 12:48:03 GMT
If possible I suggest you check out his stats for completed passes. I’ve been lucky in the past to have had the opportunity of talking with a few pros in the past and they’ve pointed out that a good pass also relies upon the ability of intended recipient. If they aren’t on the same wavelength of the guy making the pass it can seem the original pass was poor which in fact was an incorrect assumption. The same applies when players get caught in possession, on many occasions it’s because others aren’t making a safe/good pass possible. Unfortunately the vast majority of us only see what happens “on the ball” not what is or isn’t going on in split second moments of the immediate play. It's like many fans expect Allen to be Nzonzi. We really don’t. But he cost 14m, is on 50k/week it’s like we expect a PL standard player and we just never got that.
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Jun 5, 2022 12:50:14 GMT
He was never a 10m plus player but he also isn't the Sunday league player some make him out to be.This league is probably his level,always has been.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 5, 2022 12:52:22 GMT
He was never a 10m plus player but he also isn't the Sunday league player some make him out to be.This league is probably his level,always has been. Is it? We’ve been in it for 4 seasons and he’s played well in 3 months of that.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jun 5, 2022 13:05:12 GMT
Can’t believe we still have fans who think he’s any good. Jordan Cousins offered us more.
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Post by chell_rosey on Jun 5, 2022 13:39:52 GMT
That's a shout, I think he had one game there? Certainly worth a look However that would leave us needing another defender Has nobody seen Wilmots passing? Poor chap. And so young...
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Jun 5, 2022 14:04:47 GMT
He was never a 10m plus player but he also isn't the Sunday league player some make him out to be.This league is probably his level,always has been. Is it? We’ve been in it for 4 seasons and he’s played well in 3 months of that. Yes it is.There are plenty of jobbing midfielders who have made a living in the championship.
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Post by lordb on Jun 5, 2022 15:47:18 GMT
It's like many fans expect Allen to be Nzonzi. We really don’t. But he cost 14m, is on 50k/week it’s like we expect a PL standard player and we just never got that. He's not on £50k a week anymore That's gone
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 5, 2022 15:48:13 GMT
We really don’t. But he cost 14m, is on 50k/week it’s like we expect a PL standard player and we just never got that. He's not on £50k a week anymore That's gone We were on about the 6 years previous. And 10/15k will be one of the bigger wages in the Championship now. He’s not worth it.
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