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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Apr 30, 2022 19:26:44 GMT
Typical goal conceded today for their first, one midfielder gets caught out and the opposition have a free run at a static back line
We're shit. I don't think it's Allen's fault. It's shit management, shit coaching, shit recruiting.
But we need that holder who will just plug those gaps and keep it today, joe isn't that player so let him move on
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Post by onefatcopper on Apr 30, 2022 19:51:42 GMT
Offer him £10 grand a week, if he says no, tell him to piss off. Please Joe just another year with the option of another year, please Joe rape this soft arsed club of another £520.000 it’s no wonder he wanted to stay after relegation ! Where else would you get paid millions for just going through the motions ? He was brought to the club as Hughes marquee signing of 2016 hoping to prove not just to the fans but also to the players that we could still mix it with the big boys but with no thought where to play him, a conundrum that still applies to this day ? When it comes to the disastrous finale of Hughes transfer mushroom cloud, then Allen ranks with amongst them, how can a player stack up so many appearances without appearing ?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 30, 2022 20:03:01 GMT
Sometimes I despair successive managers say he’s a model pro , successive wales managers keep picking him and yet every time we lose in here it’s fuck him off , it’s candidly pathetic , in terms of our issues he’s at the very bottom of the pile and if he was at at the top we’ll be in the top 10 of the premier league .
i really hope he stays but if he goes he was a model pro for us and that’s seemingly not enough for some despite the often said view if they give their all thats all we ask for
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Post by onefatcopper on Apr 30, 2022 20:17:20 GMT
Sometimes I despair successive managers say he’s a model pro , successive wales managers keep picking him and yet every time we lose in here it’s fuck him off , it’s candidly pathetic , in terms of our issues he’s at the very bottom of the pile and if he was at at the top we’ll be in the top 10 of the premier league . i really hope he stays but if he goes he was a model pro for us and that’s seemingly not enough for some despite the often said view if they give their all thats all we ask for What is a model pro ? Is it the same as a model customer for a Bank manager who has a professional footballer as a customer ? How can we move forward as team when we are still dragging the past around.
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Post by onefatcopper on Apr 30, 2022 20:22:28 GMT
Sometimes I despair successive managers say he’s a model pro , successive wales managers keep picking him and yet every time we lose in here it’s fuck him off , it’s candidly pathetic , in terms of our issues he’s at the very bottom of the pile and if he was at at the top we’ll be in the top 10 of the premier league . i really hope he stays but if he goes he was a model pro for us and that’s seemingly not enough for some despite the often said view if they give their all thats all we ask for The successive managers who said he’s a model pro have a synchronicity, Stoke. City, Sacked & Joe Allen.
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Post by karl on May 1, 2022 20:56:42 GMT
I cannot see him staying at Stoke with Jordan Thompson signing a new contract.
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Post by questionable on May 2, 2022 8:56:02 GMT
Sometimes I despair successive managers say he’s a model pro , successive wales managers keep picking him and yet every time we lose in here it’s fuck him off , it’s candidly pathetic , in terms of our issues he’s at the very bottom of the pile and if he was at at the top we’ll be in the top 10 of the premier league . i really hope he stays but if he goes he was a model pro for us and that’s seemingly not enough for some despite the often said view if they give their all thats all we ask for 99% of the time you wouldn’t know he’s on the pitch and for the remaining 1% just look for a really easy pass going astray and you know he’s there. What pisses me off is there’s players like Baker out there on a free we should be looking at that are head and shoulders above Allen that will improve the squad, push us forward but oh no let’s get Allen signed up, farcical club it really is we deserve all we get with this approach
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 2, 2022 10:00:29 GMT
Sometimes I despair successive managers say he’s a model pro , successive wales managers keep picking him and yet every time we lose in here it’s fuck him off , it’s candidly pathetic , in terms of our issues he’s at the very bottom of the pile and if he was at at the top we’ll be in the top 10 of the premier league . i really hope he stays but if he goes he was a model pro for us and that’s seemingly not enough for some despite the often said view if they give their all thats all we ask for 99% of the time you wouldn’t know he’s on the pitch and for the remaining 1% just look for a really easy pass going astray and you know he’s there. What pisses me off is there’s players like Baker out there on a free we should be looking at that are head and shoulders above Allen that will improve the squad, push us forward but oh no let’s get Allen signed up, farcical club it really is we deserve all we get with this approach Have a look what happens when he’s not on the pitch Blackburn at home being the classic
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 2, 2022 10:17:01 GMT
99% of the time you wouldn’t know he’s on the pitch and for the remaining 1% just look for a really easy pass going astray and you know he’s there. What pisses me off is there’s players like Baker out there on a free we should be looking at that are head and shoulders above Allen that will improve the squad, push us forward but oh no let’s get Allen signed up, farcical club it really is we deserve all we get with this approach Have a look what happens when he’s not on the pitch Blackburn at home being the classic That had way more to do with playing Sawyers as one of the deep midfielders than Allen not being on the park. It also happens when he is on the pitch, like the Bristol City home game.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on May 2, 2022 11:24:25 GMT
Have a look what happens when he’s not on the pitch Blackburn at home being the classic That had way more to do with playing Sawyers as one of the deep midfielders than Allen not being on the park. It also happens when he is on the pitch, like the Bristol City home game. The trouble is Joe Allen splits opinion doesn't he? Not unlike Michael O'Neill. Some think they're great, some think they're shite and some, including me, are a bit ambivalent about the pair of them. I wouldn't be too worried if one or both of them stayed (at the right price in Allen's case) but I wouldn't be desperately disappointed if they both left this summer. My real worry, if they did leave, would be what shite would the owners saddle us with as replacements?
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 2, 2022 11:36:14 GMT
He needs to leave so we can use his wages to get in a player who'll sit and do a decent job at it.
Suppose it all depends on Swansea offering something that is acceptable.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 2, 2022 11:54:17 GMT
That had way more to do with playing Sawyers as one of the deep midfielders than Allen not being on the park. It also happens when he is on the pitch, like the Bristol City home game. The trouble is Joe Allen splits opinion doesn't he? Not unlike Michael O'Neill. Some think they're great, some think they're shite and some, including me, are a bit ambivalent about the pair of them. I wouldn't be too worried if one or both of them stayed (at the right price in Allen's case) but I wouldn't be desperately disappointed if they both left this summer. My real worry, if they did leave, would be what shite would the owners saddle us with as replacements? 100% spot on i am much the same but O’Neil I’m pretty sure is staying out of necessity as much as anything and assuming he does i suspect his team without Allen simply weakens
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 2, 2022 12:00:32 GMT
That had way more to do with playing Sawyers as one of the deep midfielders than Allen not being on the park. It also happens when he is on the pitch, like the Bristol City home game. The trouble is Joe Allen splits opinion doesn't he? Not unlike Michael O'Neill. Some think they're great, some think they're shite and some, including me, are a bit ambivalent about the pair of them. I wouldn't be too worried if one or both of them stayed (at the right price in Allen's case) but I wouldn't be desperately disappointed if they both left this summer. My real worry, if they did leave, would be what shite would the owners saddle us with as replacements? I honestly think Allen shouldn’t be hard to replace/upgrade at all. MON will hopefully get his shit together now but I have no idea where people are getting their play off talk from or what the basis for thinking that’s on the cards are.
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Post by enuntio on May 2, 2022 12:08:51 GMT
The trouble is Joe Allen splits opinion doesn't he? Not unlike Michael O'Neill. Some think they're great, some think they're shite and some, including me, are a bit ambivalent about the pair of them. I wouldn't be too worried if one or both of them stayed (at the right price in Allen's case) but I wouldn't be desperately disappointed if they both left this summer. My real worry, if they did leave, would be what shite would the owners saddle us with as replacements? I honestly think Allen shouldn’t be hard to replace/upgrade at all. MON will hopefully get his shit together now but I have no idea where people are getting their play off talk from or what the basis for thinking that’s on the cards are. New Season, New Hope. Some years, we get to hope that little bit longer... best not to hold your breath tho 😜
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Post by LGH87 on May 3, 2022 10:11:02 GMT
The Joe Allen rimmers cult all strike me as the types that wear face masks in the open air.
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Post by spitthedog on May 4, 2022 8:02:55 GMT
Joe Allen - Assists
21/22 - 1 20/21 - 2 19/20 - 2 18/19 - 3
9 assists in 4 seasons
so is this a) crap b) not part of his game c) forward's fault for not running into the right spaces d) ok - let's carry on
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 4, 2022 8:32:38 GMT
Joe Allen - Assists 21/22 - 1 20/21 - 2 19/20 - 2 18/19 - 3 9 assists in 4 seasons so is this a) crap b) not part of his game c) forward's fault for not running into the right spaces d) ok - let's carry on About right for the role he plays I reckon?
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Post by LGH87 on May 4, 2022 8:36:24 GMT
A greater barometer would be influential involvements in goals ie the pass before the assist etc.
Not sure if this is recorded though?
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 4, 2022 9:49:42 GMT
A greater barometer would be influential involvements in goals ie the pass before the assist etc. Not sure if this is recorded though? Touch of a rapist, vision of a mole. Can’t see them being very helpful to his cause if they exist. Aerial duels won would be outstanding for a little bloke. Over and above that can’t see any stats that would be favourable. Much prefer a bit of a unit for DM in the mould of Rice, Dier, Matic. Give the recruitment guy’s a brief to find a cheap version.
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Post by LGH87 on May 4, 2022 11:13:26 GMT
I'm not doubting we need a dm, a more physical one who is neat and tidy in possession and can get us going from deep.
However, what happened to the old "one goes, one stays" in midfield? Especially with Baker who can do it all, if we were to get another player of his ilk in, would it be possible we could see a return to that method? or does it need to be a bonna fide DM that we sign to play alongside Baker and behind Powell/Sawyers/DWP.
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Post by lordb on May 4, 2022 11:27:50 GMT
A greater barometer would be influential involvements in goals ie the pass before the assist etc. Not sure if this is recorded though? Touch of a rapist, vision of a mole. Can’t see them being very helpful to his cause if they exist. Aerial duels won would be outstanding for a little bloke. Over and above that can’t see any stats that would be favourable. Much prefer a bit of a unit for DM in the mould of Rice, Dier, Matic. Give the recruitment guy’s a brief to find a cheap version. They can find a big fucker to play there but finding a big fucker who is good at football too and affordable and happy to sign might be tricky Something probably have to give Big fucker who is average at football (passing and stuff), might be achievable but will we then all moan re lack of good football stuff? Ben Pearson is suggested often and can see why but he's even shorter than Allen Perhaps Ben Wilmot there but again not a 'unit'
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Post by Bojan Mackey on May 4, 2022 11:52:31 GMT
The trouble is Joe Allen splits opinion doesn't he? Not unlike Michael O'Neill. Some think they're great, some think they're shite and some, including me, are a bit ambivalent about the pair of them. I wouldn't be too worried if one or both of them stayed (at the right price in Allen's case) but I wouldn't be desperately disappointed if they both left this summer. My real worry, if they did leave, would be what shite would the owners saddle us with as replacements? I honestly think Allen shouldn’t be hard to replace/upgrade at all. MON will hopefully get his shit together now but I have no idea where people are getting their play off talk from or what the basis for thinking that’s on the cards are. You could replace actual Joe Allen with a cardboard cut-out Joe Allen and it would be more useful.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 4, 2022 12:27:22 GMT
I honestly think Allen shouldn’t be hard to replace/upgrade at all. MON will hopefully get his shit together now but I have no idea where people are getting their play off talk from or what the basis for thinking that’s on the cards are. You could replace actual Joe Allen with a cardboard cut-out Joe Allen and it would be more useful. They might all be wrong but Brendan Rogers , Gary speed , Ryan Giggs , Chris Coleman , Mark Hughes , Mitchell O’Neil , Gary Rowett , Nathan Jones all disagree with you by actions not words and i football terns their aggregate reputation is pretty impressive
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 4, 2022 12:32:00 GMT
You could replace actual Joe Allen with a cardboard cut-out Joe Allen and it would be more useful. They might all be wrong but Brendan Rogers , Gary speed , Ryan Giggs , Chris Coleman , Mark Hughes , Mitchell O’Neil , Gary Rowett , Nathan Jones all disagree with you by actions not words and i football terns their aggregate reputation is pretty impressive Wow, an illustrious who's who of managerial talent right there. 1.5 good managers out of 8.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on May 4, 2022 12:32:52 GMT
You could replace actual Joe Allen with a cardboard cut-out Joe Allen and it would be more useful. They might all be wrong but Brendan Rogers , Gary speed , Ryan Giggs , Chris Coleman , Mark Hughes , Mitchell O’Neil , Gary Rowett , Nathan Jones all disagree with you by actions not words and i football terns their aggregate reputation is pretty impressive Ah yes Rowett and Jones. They had successful stints here didn’t they.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 4, 2022 12:36:43 GMT
They might all be wrong but Brendan Rogers , Gary speed , Ryan Giggs , Chris Coleman , Mark Hughes , Mitchell O’Neil , Gary Rowett , Nathan Jones all disagree with you by actions not words and i football terns their aggregate reputation is pretty impressive Ah yes Rowett and Jones. They had successful stints here didn’t they. They rent bad judges of footballers at this level judging by their career stats which over a few years a re far more relevant by that logic Clough , Howe and a few others would be discounted too
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Post by onionman on May 4, 2022 12:49:41 GMT
Ah yes Rowett and Jones. They had successful stints here didn’t they. They rent bad judges of footballers at this level judging by their career stats which over a few years a re far more relevant by that logic Clough , Howe and a few others would be discounted too Is your argument that Rowett and Jones showed good judgment of footballers during their stints at Stoke? And Hughes during his final 18 months in the Prem, which is the relevant period here.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 4, 2022 12:57:44 GMT
Ah yes Rowett and Jones. They had successful stints here didn’t they. They rent bad judges of footballers at this level judging by their career stats which over a few years a re far more relevant by that logic Clough , Howe and a few others would be discounted too Yeah Gary Rowett is a terrific judge of talent, as his summer 2018 remake of Brewster’s Millions illustrates.
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Post by LGH87 on May 4, 2022 13:35:14 GMT
Why do people make out like Joe Allen is the only central midfielder in the world!?
Especially as he and we have underperformed & underachieved for the vast majority of his Stoke career.
It's time for everyone to move on, he's 32 and not going to get any better.
It's bizarre the clamour for such a bang average player, it's verging on cultish.
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Post by TinkerT on May 4, 2022 13:54:22 GMT
Why do people make out like Joe Allen is the only central midfielder in the world? Especially as he and we have underperformed & underachieved for the vast majority of his Stoke career. It's time for everyone to move on, he's 32 and not going to get any better. It's bizarre the clamour for such a bang average player, it's verging on cultish. For his wage we could have 3 players who would give us more options and younger fresher legs. The difference Baker added to our team is crazy, if we could have another decent cm with him we would look a total different team. Rothwell please 😉
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