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Post by lordb on Apr 4, 2024 14:56:54 GMT
Christmas tree is good. Saka at the top. Also I have to concede we need two holding midfielders to protect our untrustworthy defence. It's a real conundrum isn't it? The answer to which, will, I suspect, define our Euros. After watching the Brazil game, I too, have to concede that we're going to need a man in with Rice, when I was previously hoping we could get away with Rice on his tod, allowing both Bellingham and Foden to play centrally but I'm coming round to the idea, that that might indeed be wishful and nieve thinking, especially against the better sides. absolutely problem is atm he's picking Gallagher who offers a bit of power , lots of running but not the quality Mainooo was a revelation v Belgium but that was one game woudld like TAA to start as he will offer some defensive stuff as well
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Apr 4, 2024 15:22:06 GMT
Perhaps Mainoo can share that role with someone else, but other than Henderson playing deeper, who is there if Bellingham is at number 10? I do wonder if Southgate will persevere with Rashford on the left. I worry about the lack of physicality of Foden and Saka in a more attacking wide role. For me, our best option is to play Jude alongside Rice and Foden in front, behind Kane and Saka and Palmer out wide! Rashford on the bench for me...
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 4, 2024 15:48:06 GMT
Is Palmer potentially better than Saka? Yes potentially. I wouldn't dare try and argue with anybody who claims he's currently the best English player in the Prem.
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Post by lordb on Apr 4, 2024 16:22:44 GMT
Perhaps Mainoo can share that role with someone else, but other than Henderson playing deeper, who is there if Bellingham is at number 10? I do wonder if Southgate will persevere with Rashford on the left. I worry about the lack of physicality of Foden and Saka in a more attacking wide role. For me, our best option is to play Jude alongside Rice and Foden in front, behind Kane and Saka and Palmer out wide! Rashford on the bench for me... I think he will take Rashford & he will take Grealish however he might just end up playing Foden left with Saka right with both (but especially Foden) coming inside a lot If he does that will be important that Shaw makes it or failing that Trippier not sure he will pick Henderson in the squad, I think Mainoo must have pushed himnself right up there
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 4, 2024 16:24:58 GMT
He's close now and the only thing stopping him is that Southgate will stick with the tried and trusted. If he doesn't go to the Euros, Gareth really will need shooting. Yeah he should definitely go on form. It’s tough though because I think you have 3 nailed on attackers going - Kane, Foden and Saka. The rest should be picked on form. If Palmer doesn’t have a good two months but Rashford does then Rashford should probably be taken. I think it should be that cutthroat with the rest. We have 3/4 players who can all do a fantastic job out wide and you have to go on form with them imo.
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Apr 4, 2024 17:32:02 GMT
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Post by pavel on Apr 4, 2024 17:32:02 GMT
There should be room for another wide player because Foden should be playing in the centre. It just won’t happen under Southgate though.
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Apr 4, 2024 17:34:51 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 4, 2024 17:34:51 GMT
There should be room for another wide player because Foden should be playing in the centre. It just won’t happen under Southgate though. There will be either way. Two from this lot as a minimum will go surely? Listed in Southgate (imo) order; Rashford Grealish Bowen Gordon Palmer Sterling
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 4, 2024 17:36:28 GMT
For me it’s Pickford
Walker Stones 🤷🏻♂️……. Trippier
Rice Alexander Arnold
Saka Bellingham Foden
Kane
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Apr 4, 2024 17:40:00 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 4, 2024 17:40:00 GMT
There should be room for another wide player because Foden should be playing in the centre. It just won’t happen under Southgate though. There will be either way. Two from this lot as a minimum will go surely? Listed in Southgate (imo) order; Rashford Grealish Bowen Gordon Palmer Sterling I think the first 3 on that list will go plus Gordon or Palmer
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Apr 4, 2024 17:42:37 GMT
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Post by lordb on Apr 4, 2024 17:42:37 GMT
He's close now and the only thing stopping him is that Southgate will stick with the tried and trusted. If he doesn't go to the Euros, Gareth really will need shooting. Yeah he should definitely go on form. It’s tough though because I think you have 3 nailed on attackers going - Kane, Foden and Saka. The rest should be picked on form. If Palmer doesn’t have a good two months but Rashford does then Rashford should probably be taken. I think it should be that cutthroat with the rest. We have 3/4 players who can all do a fantastic job out wide and you have to go on form with them imo. I think Southgate - quite rightly - takes into account for for England way higher than club form It's not an all star game, it's building a football team Despite that he doesn't discount club forrm altogether which is why Phillips is not going to make the squad and partly why McGuire is not first choice anymore The fitness of his first choice back 4: Walker, Stones, Guehi and Shaw is a big concern
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Apr 4, 2024 17:44:39 GMT
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Post by lordb on Apr 4, 2024 17:44:39 GMT
There will be either way. Two from this lot as a minimum will go surely? Listed in Southgate (imo) order; Rashford Grealish Bowen Gordon Palmer Sterling I think the first 3 on that list will go plus Gordon or Palmer Can't see Bowen getting in, unless there are injuries Gordon won't either if both Rashford and Grealish go Palmer might get in as he covers Bellingham as well as wide but suspect he will take Maddison instead
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Apr 4, 2024 17:47:45 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 4, 2024 17:47:45 GMT
I think the first 3 on that list will go plus Gordon or Palmer Can't see Bowen getting in, unless there are injuries Gordon won't either if both Rashford and Grealish go Palmer might get in as he covers Bellingham as well as wide but suspect he will take Maddison instead I’d forgotten Maddison, I don’t think he should go tbh and defo think Bowen should go
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Apr 4, 2024 17:51:51 GMT
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Post by lordb on Apr 4, 2024 17:51:51 GMT
Can't see Bowen getting in, unless there are injuries Gordon won't either if both Rashford and Grealish go Palmer might get in as he covers Bellingham as well as wide but suspect he will take Maddison instead I’d forgotten Maddison, I don’t think he should go tbh and defo think Bowen should go I would pick Palmer over Maddison Can only pick 23, if Rashford and Grealish both go (& they probably do) then Foden and Saka complete the wide options, he won't pick an extra one, there isn't room If he only takes one of Rashford or Grealish then Bowen or Gordon or Sterling would get in Same with strikers, obviously Kane then one of Toney or Watkins not both think Toney will get in
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Apr 4, 2024 17:56:03 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 4, 2024 17:56:03 GMT
I’d forgotten Maddison, I don’t think he should go tbh and defo think Bowen should go I would pick Palmer over Maddison Can only pick 23, if Rashford and Grealish both go (& they probably do) then Foden and Saka complete the wide options, he won't pick an extra one, there isn't room If he only takes one of Rashford or Grealish then Bowen or Gordon or Sterling would get in Same with strikers, obviously Kane then one of Toney or Watkins not both think Toney will get in Absolutely has to be Toney up front. I just think you need one back up in each position. Do you have to take 3 keepers? It seems unlikely 3rd choice will ever get a game
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Apr 4, 2024 18:03:50 GMT
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Post by lordb on Apr 4, 2024 18:03:50 GMT
I would pick Palmer over Maddison Can only pick 23, if Rashford and Grealish both go (& they probably do) then Foden and Saka complete the wide options, he won't pick an extra one, there isn't room If he only takes one of Rashford or Grealish then Bowen or Gordon or Sterling would get in Same with strikers, obviously Kane then one of Toney or Watkins not both think Toney will get in Absolutely has to be Toney up front. I just think you need one back up in each position. Do you have to take 3 keepers? It seems unlikely 3rd choice will ever get a game Yes you have to take 3 keepers Yes one back up in each position is the principle however one or two who can play in more than one can be very handy eg Alexander Arnold or even Joe Gomez
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Apr 4, 2024 18:35:51 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 4, 2024 18:35:51 GMT
Absolutely has to be Toney up front. I just think you need one back up in each position. Do you have to take 3 keepers? It seems unlikely 3rd choice will ever get a game Yes you have to take 3 keepers Yes one back up in each position is the principle however one or two who can play in more than one can be very handy eg Alexander Arnold or even Joe Gomez Agreed although I’m not keen on “utility” players. The 3 keeper rule is stupid. I think you should pick 2 then be allowed a 3rd to come in in the unlikely event he were needed
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Apr 4, 2024 18:53:51 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 4, 2024 18:53:51 GMT
Absolutely has to be Toney up front. I just think you need one back up in each position. Do you have to take 3 keepers? It seems unlikely 3rd choice will ever get a game Yes you have to take 3 keepers Yes one back up in each position is the principle however one or two who can play in more than one can be very handy eg Alexander Arnold or even Joe Gomez Gomez is so versatile, he’s like a footballer version of an egg
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 4, 2024 19:29:42 GMT
Yeah he should definitely go on form. It’s tough though because I think you have 3 nailed on attackers going - Kane, Foden and Saka. The rest should be picked on form. If Palmer doesn’t have a good two months but Rashford does then Rashford should probably be taken. I think it should be that cutthroat with the rest. We have 3/4 players who can all do a fantastic job out wide and you have to go on form with them imo. I think Southgate - quite rightly - takes into account for for England way higher than club form It's not an all star game, it's building a football team Despite that he doesn't discount club forrm altogether which is why Phillips is not going to make the squad and partly why McGuire is not first choice anymore The fitness of his first choice back 4: Walker, Stones, Guehi and Shaw is a big concern He might do and it’s part of why he needs fucking off. Guehi is awful. I hope he takes someone else.
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Apr 4, 2024 20:24:28 GMT
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 4, 2024 20:24:28 GMT
Yes you have to take 3 keepers Yes one back up in each position is the principle however one or two who can play in more than one can be very handy eg Alexander Arnold or even Joe Gomez Gomez is so versatile, he’s like a footballer version of an egg Watch your EE crossover son
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 4, 2024 20:26:58 GMT
Gomez is so versatile, he’s like a footballer version of an egg Watch your EE crossover son I’m the Oatcakes version of an egg😉
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Apr 4, 2024 20:52:34 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 4, 2024 20:52:34 GMT
I’d forgotten Maddison, I don’t think he should go tbh and defo think Bowen should go I would pick Palmer over Maddison Can only pick 23, if Rashford and Grealish both go (& they probably do) then Foden and Saka complete the wide options, he won't pick an extra one, there isn't room If he only takes one of Rashford or Grealish then Bowen or Gordon or Sterling would get in Same with strikers, obviously Kane then one of Toney or Watkins not both think Toney will get in If that's the choice deffo Palmer over Maddison. On form Maddison is ace but he's too inconsistent. Remember he's 27 now so it might just be part of his make-up.
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Apr 4, 2024 20:53:35 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 4, 2024 20:53:35 GMT
I forgot Maddison existed. Never really got him. Ok player don’t get me wrong but not good enough for England.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 4, 2024 20:57:20 GMT
Just watching game now and Palmer is quick thinking, way ahead of his team mates. We have another worldy on our hands I think
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Apr 4, 2024 20:58:17 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 4, 2024 20:58:17 GMT
Just watching game now and Palmer is quick thinking, way ahead of his team mates. We have another worldy on our hands I think It’ll be why Southgate didn’t play him 🤣🤣
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 4, 2024 21:01:41 GMT
Just watching game now and Palmer is quick thinking, way ahead of his team mates. We have another worldy on our hands I think It’ll be why Southgate didn’t play him 🤣🤣 Hard to get all these in an 11 though mate. If you’re manager you’re not dropping Foden, Bellingham of Saka. All have tournament experience which counts for a lot doesnt it? I’m no fan of Southgate but I couldn’t justify dropping any of those atm. Palmers time will come but he isn’t starting in the Euros
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Apr 4, 2024 21:04:30 GMT
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Post by lordb on Apr 4, 2024 21:04:30 GMT
Just watching game now and Palmer is quick thinking, way ahead of his team mates. We have another worldy on our hands I think It’ll be why Southgate didn’t play him 🤣🤣 He's not as good as the players ahead of him On the bench for England
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Apr 4, 2024 21:04:58 GMT
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 4, 2024 21:04:58 GMT
It’ll be why Southgate didn’t play him 🤣🤣 Hard to get all these in an 11 though mate. If you’re manager you’re not dropping Foden, Bellingham of Saka. All have tournament experience which counts for a lot doesnt it? I’m no fan of Southgate but I couldn’t justify dropping any of those atm. Palmers time will come but he isn’t starting in the Euros Should’ve got minutes in them friendlies though
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 4, 2024 21:08:25 GMT
Hard to get all these in an 11 though mate. If you’re manager you’re not dropping Foden, Bellingham of Saka. All have tournament experience which counts for a lot doesnt it? I’m no fan of Southgate but I couldn’t justify dropping any of those atm. Palmers time will come but he isn’t starting in the Euros Should’ve got minutes in them friendlies though Absolutely but I’m not sure Southgate has him as a potential starter and I’m guessing that’s what he was looking at. He’s a young lad and he’s doing brilliantly but tournament football is a different beast. He will want experience first and foremost and then have a bit of sparkle off the bench. Like I say I’m no fan of the manager but I think he’s doing it right in the grand scheme
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 4, 2024 21:10:07 GMT
It’ll be why Southgate didn’t play him 🤣🤣 Hard to get all these in an 11 though mate. If you’re manager you’re not dropping Foden, Bellingham of Saka. All have tournament experience which counts for a lot doesnt it? I’m no fan of Southgate but I couldn’t justify dropping any of those atm. Palmers time will come but he isn’t starting in the Euros He played Gordon though. Which was imo strange.
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Apr 4, 2024 21:10:40 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 4, 2024 21:10:40 GMT
It’ll be why Southgate didn’t play him 🤣🤣 He's not as good as the players ahead of him On the bench for England He’s better than them all currently. By a bit of a distance too.
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