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Post by baconburger on Jul 18, 2024 19:44:01 GMT
Might be worth asking Chelsea fans about Potter's tactical astuteness? No one was going to be a success at that time to be fair. They’re an insane club TBF they've just parted with a far better coach/manager than Potter who was doing a much better job. Why not just get him?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 18, 2024 19:46:40 GMT
No one was going to be a success at that time to be fair. They’re an insane club TBF they've just parted with a far better coach/manager than Potter who was doing a much better job. Why not just get him? Lineker would forever be showing clips of Michael Owen diving over his leg to win a pen in the 2002 World Cup. No new manager wants that😉
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Post by baconburger on Jul 18, 2024 19:50:21 GMT
TBF they've just parted with a far better coach/manager than Potter who was doing a much better job. Why not just get him? Lineker would forever be showing clips of Michael Owen diving over his leg to win a pen in the 2002 World Cup. No new manager wants that😉 Potch would be very close to the top of any lists I made, especially now Klopp has said he ain't interested.
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Jul 18, 2024 19:51:42 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 18, 2024 19:51:42 GMT
Lineker would forever be showing clips of Michael Owen diving over his leg to win a pen in the 2002 World Cup. No new manager wants that😉 Potch would be very close to the top of any lists I made, especially now Klopp has said he ain't interested. Yeh I know, it was a joke
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Post by baconburger on Jul 18, 2024 19:52:25 GMT
Potch would be very close to the top of any lists I made, especially now Klopp has said he ain't interested. Yeh I know, it was a joke The English options are pretty underwhelming.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 18, 2024 20:02:21 GMT
Yeh I know, it was a joke The English options are pretty underwhelming. Who knows, totally different beast is international management. It almost makes sense to employ Carsley tbh
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Post by baconburger on Jul 18, 2024 20:23:43 GMT
The English options are pretty underwhelming. Who knows, totally different beast is international management. It almost makes sense to employ Carsley tbh No idea never watched the u21's. There's no way we should be playing such passive football with the players we have.
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Jul 18, 2024 20:45:00 GMT
She's been successful. Planning for another tournament is underway. How does it look if the FA move her away from the women, put her with the men, and she gets an astronomical pay rise. It'd look bad. Almost as if the bloke team is more important to them or something weird like that. But it'd be worth it to see Joey Barton's response 😆 Yes, totally agree with that. If for some reason she was available and given the candidates tipped, I'd give her a go. I love how she speaks and undoubtedly good at 'people' management and tactics etc. Not same for men's team though but with her I don't I think it would be the box ticking, P.C. correct bullshit everyone would say it would be.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jul 18, 2024 20:48:13 GMT
I get it, I just think even his presence at St George’s or within the fa in any capacity would be a distraction and possibly cause an unnecessary conflict or challenge for the new manager. With a Ferguson or a Wenger type figure that could be a problem but Southgate doesn’t have a big ego, I don’t think it would be a problem. It would be an asset to have that bit of continuity I don’t think it’s the man overseeing it that’s the problem - I think it’s in the players. I think Southgate would be extremely professional at all times. There will be continuity in St George’s park and the whole set up there, it’s a safe environment for players.
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Post by leicspotter on Jul 19, 2024 8:16:00 GMT
This would be a fantastic appointment. I don’t think there’s any chance of that happening. Surely the FA have been preparing for this moment before Ange even came to England. Maybe not Maybe not indeed! It's the FA after all
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jul 19, 2024 8:17:45 GMT
Lineker would forever be showing clips of Michael Owen diving over his leg to win a pen in the 2002 World Cup. No new manager wants that😉 Potch would be very close to the top of any lists I made, especially now Klopp has said he ain't interested. He’s another specialist in losing, no thank you
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Post by baconburger on Jul 19, 2024 8:24:28 GMT
Potch would be very close to the top of any lists I made, especially now Klopp has said he ain't interested. He’s another specialist in losing, no thank you I can’t say for certain because I haven’t watched the games but Chelsea’s form in the second half of the season don’t suggest that type of approach. Lots of wins lots of goals. Including a clean sweep of wins in May. Should have been manager of the month if he wasn’t I don’t know. Certainly nothing like binary Gareth.
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Post by lordb on Jul 19, 2024 10:50:11 GMT
Potch would be very close to the top of any lists I made, especially now Klopp has said he ain't interested. He’s another specialist in losing, no thank you if criteria is proven winner then of the available managers who would take the job right now that leaves.... ...erm... no-one?
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 19, 2024 10:52:10 GMT
He’s another specialist in losing, no thank you if criteria is proven winner then of the available managers who would take the job right now that leaves.... ...erm... no-one? You can get proven winners BUT tge peculiarities of managing England nullify it all.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jul 19, 2024 11:23:40 GMT
He’s another specialist in losing, no thank you if criteria is proven winner then of the available managers who would take the job right now that leaves.... ...erm... no-one? the criteria is not proven winner It’s just not having choked on multiple occasions across your management career
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Post by baconburger on Jul 19, 2024 12:30:34 GMT
Potch would be very close to the top of any lists I made, especially now Klopp has said he ain't interested. He’s another specialist in losing, no thank you Ah I see now I read it wrong I thought you’d posted he was a specialist in not losing. I hate football played with that mentality whether it’s successful or not.
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Post by lordb on Jul 19, 2024 12:51:39 GMT
if criteria is proven winner then of the available managers who would take the job right now that leaves.... ...erm... no-one? Ok If you can name me a better manager who will take the job now then let's go for that guy As it happens I prefer Postecoglu as would be fun but can't say he's better than Poch the criteria is not proven winner It’s just not having choked on multiple occasions across your management career
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jul 19, 2024 13:14:14 GMT
He’s another specialist in losing, no thank you Ah I see now I read it wrong I thought you’d posted he was a specialist in not losing. I hate football played with that mentality whether it’s successful or not. I think Spurs should have won the title in 2016, Kane, Son, Eriksen, Dembele and Alli were all scintillating that season. Lost the Champs League final, I think he might have lost another one too with them? The whole debacle at PSG and despite the up turn in form towards the end of the season when they had nothing to play for, last season at Chelsea wasn't great either. Didn't he get relegated with Espanyol? I think he's well overrated and surprised he still gets a mention with top jobs
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Post by baconburger on Jul 19, 2024 13:20:19 GMT
Ah I see now I read it wrong I thought you’d posted he was a specialist in not losing. I hate football played with that mentality whether it’s successful or not. I think Spurs should have won the title in 2016, Kane, Son, Eriksen, Dembele and Alli were all scintillating that season. Lost the Champs League final, I think he might have lost another one too with them? The whole debacle at PSG and despite the up turn in form towards the end of the season when they had nothing to play for, last season at Chelsea wasn't great either. Didn't he get relegated with Espanyol? I think he's well overrated and surprised he still gets a mention with top jobs Seems you don’t mind the approach and just want someone to go one step further than Southgate anyhow. I think Southgate’s outcomes were more than acceptable but the style in which he achieved them was by and large unacceptable. It’s a completely different way of looking at things that will never be agreed upon by the parties that hold those views.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jul 19, 2024 13:22:16 GMT
I think Spurs should have won the title in 2016, Kane, Son, Eriksen, Dembele and Alli were all scintillating that season. Lost the Champs League final, I think he might have lost another one too with them? The whole debacle at PSG and despite the up turn in form towards the end of the season when they had nothing to play for, last season at Chelsea wasn't great either. Didn't he get relegated with Espanyol? I think he's well overrated and surprised he still gets a mention with top jobs Seems you don’t mind the approach and just want someone to go one step further than Southgate anyhow. I think Southgate’s outcomes were more than acceptable but the style in which he achieved them was by and large unacceptable. It’s a completely different way of looking at things that will never be agreed upon by the parties that hold those views. Apart from 2018, where I do believe Southgate had a massive impact (but we didn't make the final because we stood off Modric and Rakitic), I think the two finals have been in spite of him and he got shown up in both of them
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Post by baconburger on Jul 19, 2024 13:47:49 GMT
Seems you don’t mind the approach and just want someone to go one step further than Southgate anyhow. I think Southgate’s outcomes were more than acceptable but the style in which he achieved them was by and large unacceptable. It’s a completely different way of looking at things that will never be agreed upon by the parties that hold those views. Apart from 2018, where I do believe Southgate had a massive impact (but we didn't make the final because we stood off Modric and Rakitic), I think the two finals have been in spite of him and he got shown up in both of them I honestly think he should be ashamed of the way we played given what he has available to him. Listening to him it was like we were not going to dominate and win handsomely against anyone even before a ball was kicked. If we went a goal in front we stopped playing on the front foot and it took us going a goal down for us to show even a limited degree of adventure. Not for me even if he won everything in sight.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 19, 2024 14:02:18 GMT
I would give the FA the respect to make a good decision on this one.
Since we have built the football centre at St George's it does look like English football is healthy and going in a good direction. This is despite the money of the Premier League and huge amount of foreign players and managers involved.
The fact we have won U21 Euros last year the U20 World Cup a couple of years back, suggests we still have more good players coming through.
The future is bright and rosy regarding our current and future crop of players.
This is why I think bringing in an outsider is just a bit dumb at this moment of time. Yeah I get Klopp and Pep are great managers, but at some point we need to make good English managers and have our own identity.
Would you catch Germany or Spain having a foreign manager for the national team? No bloody way.
For the long-term good of english football it HAS to be an englishman and out of the current crop I would choose Carsley.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 21, 2024 10:22:38 GMT
I would give the FA the respect to make a good decision on this one. Since we have built the football centre at St George's it does look like English football is healthy and going in a good direction. This is despite the money of the Premier League and huge amount of foreign players and managers involved. The fact we have won U21 Euros last year the U20 World Cup a couple of years back, suggests we still have more good players coming through. The future is bright and rosy regarding our current and future crop of players. This is why I think bringing in an outsider is just a bit dumb at this moment of time. Yeah I get Klopp and Pep are great managers, but at some point we need to make good English managers and have our own identity. Would you catch Germany or Spain having a foreign manager for the national team? No bloody way. For the long-term good of english football it HAS to be an englishman and out of the current crop I would choose Carsley. Agree. The word we here with monotonous regularity is 'identity'. An in house promotion is continuity and develops the England team in a consistent way. Also, as brilliant as Klopp and Guardiola are, the styles they mould their teams in takes hours and hours of seriously hard work. At international level you don't get those hours. Someone was saying on the radio it should be Eddie Howe because he does his best work out on the grass with the players. If that's the case he shouldn't get it because there's there's precious little time on the grass with the players
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Jul 21, 2024 11:11:23 GMT
Who was the last truly great English manager? If we’re honest?
Clough?
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 21, 2024 13:34:01 GMT
Who was the last truly great English manager? If we’re honest? Clough? Paisley
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Post by bigvern on Jul 21, 2024 13:44:45 GMT
Klopp's odds have been falling in the betting over the weekend.
I'd like to see him in charge.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 21, 2024 13:52:11 GMT
Klopp's odds have been falling in the betting over the weekend. I'd like to see him in charge. He's already said he's not interested according to the media. Other than that I'd love to see him in charge.
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Post by ct1 on Jul 21, 2024 13:54:13 GMT
Who was the last truly great English manager? If we’re honest? Clough? Paisley English?
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Post by ct1 on Jul 21, 2024 13:56:23 GMT
my mistake yes he was always had the idea he was Scottish 🤣
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