England

[mickstupp]

Mar 23, 2024 22:30:09 GMT malteser68 said:

Mar 23, 2024 22:02:02 GMT GrahamHyde said:

Will reserve judgement until after the Euros.

Don't think there's a great amount between us and the top international sides when at full strength.

What there is between eg England and France is just one thing - a donkey called Southgate

France have lost at home to Germany tonight.

[BuzzB]

Mar 23, 2024 21:53:16 GMT GrahamHyde said:

Mar 23, 2024 21:34:27 GMT malteser68 said:

England will never ever win anything with this donkey FA puppet in charge

Jj

We'll never win anything without him either.

Those players out there tonight just aren't good enough at all.

Chilwell, Dunk, Bowen, Gallagher, Maguire, Konsa and Gomez should all be nowhere near an England XI.

you can add Rashford to that too

[spitthedog]

Some of the England players didn't look interested. Especially Foden who never attempted to get into the game.

People go on about a golden generation but there is a lack of depth to that squad.

Bellingham is the only one who looks like a proper international player to me. Mainoo is a good prospect.

[mickeythemaestro]

Mar 23, 2024 23:06:32 GMT spitthedog said:

Some of the England players didn't look interested. Especially Foden who never attempted to get into the game.

People go on about a golden generation but there is a lack of depth to that squad.

Bellingham is the only one who looks like a proper international player to me. Mainoo is a good prospect.

Keep an eye on that Mainoo. He's got summat. From what I'm hearing he's Keane 3.0 ie he's a baller, not just an exceptional midfielder who can pass tackle and has positional awareness. Him and Bellingham could be the future..

[Trouserdog]

Friendlies are meaningless.

Players are never going to be playing at 100% in one at this stage of the season, and we'd already made about 6 changes by the time Brazil scored. (Plus we were missing two of our certain starters)

[foxysgloves]

Mar 23, 2024 23:34:22 GMT Trouserdog said:

Friendlies are meaningless.

Players are never going to be playing at 100% in one at this stage of the season, and we'd already made about 6 changes by the time Brazil scored. (Plus we were missing two of our certain starters)

And how many were Brazil missing?

I don’t see anything to suggest England won’t be valiant nearly men again this summer. Having a defence would help.

[foxysgloves]

Mar 23, 2024 23:33:58 GMT mickeythemaestro said:

Mar 23, 2024 23:06:32 GMT spitthedog said:

Some of the England players didn't look interested. Especially Foden who never attempted to get into the game.

People go on about a golden generation but there is a lack of depth to that squad.

Bellingham is the only one who looks like a proper international player to me. Mainoo is a good prospect.

Keep an eye on that Mainoo. He's got summat. From what I'm hearing he's Keane 3.0 ie he's a baller, not just an exceptional midfielder who can pass tackle and has positional awareness. Him and Bellingham could be the future..

If England had a Keane we’d have won at least one probably two major championships.

Hope you’re right.

[GrahamHyde]

The comments I've seen in relation to this game on social media from so called England 'fans' is a joke. An absolute meltdown after a 1-0 defeat to Brazil with, let's face it, a lot of our C-team.

It's like they wait by their keyboard willing us to fail just so that they can stick the boot in on Southgate. Nothing he ever does will be good enough for them, they've made their minds up.

Entitled fannies who have probably never seen a real game of football in their lives.

I expect it from what is likely a majority of glory hunters, less so from Stoke fans who are used to winning fuck all. Perspective needed.

[mickmillslovechild]

Mar 24, 2024 0:30:11 GMT GrahamHyde said:

The comments I've seen in relation to this game on social media from so called England 'fans' is a joke. An absolute meltdown after a 1-0 defeat to Brazil with, let's face it, a lot of our C-team.

It's like they wait by their keyboard willing us to fail just so that they can stick the boot in on Southgate. Nothing he ever does will be good enough for them, they've made their minds up.

Entitled fannies who have probably never seen a real game of football in their lives.

I expect it from what is likely a majority of glory hunters, less so from Stoke fans who are used to winning fuck all. Perspective needed.

Totally agree.

If this team was the starting XI at our first game at the Euros then yes, I'd go mad but as you allude to, many of these won't even make the plane.

These 2 games are simply for the manager to decide if any of them are good enough to make the plane,as backups for injuries etc. Its almost as if England managers do this before literally every major tournament and have done for years....but as you say, regardless of who played and regardless of the result, the comments would have been slating Soutgate anyway. So predictable.

[Deleted]

Mar 24, 2024 0:30:11 GMT GrahamHyde said:

The comments I've seen in relation to this game on social media from so called England 'fans' is a joke. An absolute meltdown after a 1-0 defeat to Brazil with, let's face it, a lot of our C-team.

It's like they wait by their keyboard willing us to fail just so that they can stick the boot in on Southgate. Nothing he ever does will be good enough for them, they've made their minds up.

Entitled fannies who have probably never seen a real game of football in their lives.

I expect it from what is likely a majority of glory hunters, less so from Stoke fans who are used to winning fuck all. Perspective needed.

It’s laughable because, first and foremost it’s a pointless friendly. We’ve beaten top teams in friendlies before and been shite in competitions. They mean nothing. The players don’t care about them and the managers play half a reserve side anyways.

[Trouserdog]

Mar 23, 2024 23:52:01 GMT foxysgloves said:

Mar 23, 2024 23:34:22 GMT Trouserdog said:

Friendlies are meaningless.

Players are never going to be playing at 100% in one at this stage of the season, and we'd already made about 6 changes by the time Brazil scored. (Plus we were missing two of our certain starters)

And how many were Brazil missing?

I don’t see anything to suggest England won’t be valiant nearly men again this summer. Having a defence would help.

Quite a few, but it still means absolutely nothing. The team we'll start with in most games won't resemble the team we had out in the second half of that game.

I agree that our defence, or more specifically having Maguire in the defence, will cost us against a top team at some point, but we don't need a friendly to tell us that.

[sportsman]

Mar 23, 2024 23:06:32 GMT spitthedog said:

Some of the England players didn't look interested. Especially Foden who never attempted to get into the game.

People go on about a golden generation but there is a lack of depth to that squad.

Bellingham is the only one who looks like a proper international player to me. Mainoo is a good prospect.

Some players put or get put their club football before internationals, especially friendlies.

When you see your teammate walker go off early in it convinces them when more

[malteser68]

Mar 24, 2024 0:30:11 GMT GrahamHyde said:

The comments I've seen in relation to this game on social media from so called England 'fans' is a joke. An absolute meltdown after a 1-0 defeat to Brazil with, let's face it, a lot of our C-team.

It's like they wait by their keyboard willing us to fail just so that they can stick the boot in on Southgate. Nothing he ever does will be good enough for them, they've made their minds up.

Entitled fannies who have probably never seen a real game of football in their lives.

I expect it from what is likely a majority of glory hunters, less so from Stoke fans who are used to winning fuck all. Perspective needed.

There is absolutely no doubt that England have lost a final at home at wembley (a final which they reached without beating any real opposition) against what is arguably the worst Italy national team since 1966. There can be no doubt on that whatsoever. And that defeat is attributable wholly and solely to the ineptitude of one Gareth Southgate. The fact that he was allowed to remain in charge of the national team is undeniable evidence that the FA want hin there just because he is a brown noser who plays along with all their stupid pride initiatives etc. It’s his only saving grace. And I am absolutely certain that as long as he remains in charge England won’t be winning anything in spite of having the players to do so. Let’s see if he has the guts to start with Mainoo or else revert to form and play his rent boy Henderson.

[Gods]

Mar 24, 2024 0:30:11 GMT GrahamHyde said:

The comments I've seen in relation to this game on social media from so called England 'fans' is a joke. An absolute meltdown after a 1-0 defeat to Brazil with, let's face it, a lot of our C-team.

It's like they wait by their keyboard willing us to fail just so that they can stick the boot in on Southgate. Nothing he ever does will be good enough for them, they've made their minds up.

Entitled fannies who have probably never seen a real game of football in their lives.

I expect it from what is likely a majority of glory hunters, less so from Stoke fans who are used to winning fuck all. Perspective needed.

I just came too late for Alf Ramsey so Southgate has been easily the most successful England manager I have known.

Often we would not qualify for major tournaments at all and when we did making the semis or even a final was unheard of.

[sportsman]

I only watched the first 40 minutes but I’m guessing it puts to bed the England are better without Kane nonsense

[oslostokie1]

Its criminal that our Wes is constantly overlooked by Brazil

[Trouserdog]

Mar 24, 2024 7:30:20 GMT sportsman said:

I only watched the first 40 minutes but I’m guessing it puts to bed the England are better without Kane nonsense

You do realise it's bayern arguing that nonsense? He doesn't do 'putting arguments to bed'.

[Deleted]

You can't analyze a friendly.

I thought we were the better team but Brazil created 3 excellent chances just by countering.

They fouled over and over again when we were in good positions and used it to stop Bellingham. They knew they'd get away with it as the ref won't send off a Brazil player in a friendly and ruin the spectacle. In a competitive game they wouldn't have been able to do that.

Their goal came after lots of changes when the game had effectively finished.

These games are pointless in my view

[Gods]

Mar 24, 2024 7:38:09 GMT oslostokie1 said:

Its criminal that our Wes is constantly overlooked by Brazil

I too wondered if there might be a short cameo from big Wes!

[gingerninja]

For some reason, Southgate has seemed to squeeze all the enjoyment out of watching England 😞

[werrington]

Mar 24, 2024 9:16:12 GMT gingerninja said:

For some reason, Southgate has seemed to squeeze all the enjoyment out of watching England 😞

Anybody who doesn’t enjoy watching this England side doesn’t like football

Wether he gets his tactics right or wrong is questionable but this squad plays front foot football which is enjoyable

[davejohnno1]

Mar 24, 2024 9:29:28 GMT werrington said:

Mar 24, 2024 9:16:12 GMT gingerninja said:

For some reason, Southgate has seemed to squeeze all the enjoyment out of watching England 😞

Anybody who doesn’t enjoy watching this England side doesn’t like football

Wether he gets his tactics right or wrong is questionable but this squad plays front foot football which is enjoyable

It’s a rare quality to be able to put that quality of player into a team and fashion it into one that can barely muster a meaningful attempt at goal in 90 minutes, irrespective of the fact they were playing Brazil.

[mickmillslovechild]

Mar 24, 2024 6:58:04 GMT malteser68 said:

Mar 24, 2024 0:30:11 GMT GrahamHyde said:

The comments I've seen in relation to this game on social media from so called England 'fans' is a joke. An absolute meltdown after a 1-0 defeat to Brazil with, let's face it, a lot of our C-team.

It's like they wait by their keyboard willing us to fail just so that they can stick the boot in on Southgate. Nothing he ever does will be good enough for them, they've made their minds up.

Entitled fannies who have probably never seen a real game of football in their lives.

I expect it from what is likely a majority of glory hunters, less so from Stoke fans who are used to winning fuck all. Perspective needed.

There is absolutely no doubt that England have lost a final at home at wembley (a final which they reached without beating any real opposition) against what is arguably the worst Italy national team since 1966. There can be no doubt on that whatsoever. And that defeat is attributable wholly and solely to the ineptitude of one Gareth Southgate. The fact that he was allowed to remain in charge of the national team is undeniable evidence that the FA want hin there just because he is a brown noser who plays along with all their stupid pride initiatives etc. It’s his only saving grace. And I am absolutely certain that as long as he remains in charge England won’t be winning anything in spite of having the players to do so. Let’s see if he has the guts to start with Mainoo or else revert to form and play his rent boy Henderson.

And there's absolutely no doubt that even if we DID win a tournament under Southgate, you'd invent some bullshit reason why Southgate had nothing to do with it anyway and deserved no credit.

You're as predictable as you are boring, mate.

[CBUFAWKIPWH]

Mar 24, 2024 7:09:34 GMT Gods said:

Mar 24, 2024 0:30:11 GMT GrahamHyde said:

The comments I've seen in relation to this game on social media from so called England 'fans' is a joke. An absolute meltdown after a 1-0 defeat to Brazil with, let's face it, a lot of our C-team.

It's like they wait by their keyboard willing us to fail just so that they can stick the boot in on Southgate. Nothing he ever does will be good enough for them, they've made their minds up.

Entitled fannies who have probably never seen a real game of football in their lives.

I expect it from what is likely a majority of glory hunters, less so from Stoke fans who are used to winning fuck all. Perspective needed.

I just came too late for Alf Ramsey so Southgate has been easily the most successful England manager I have known.

Often we would not qualify for major tournaments at all and when we did making the semis or even a final was unheard of.

Spot on. The abuse Southgate gets is unreal - if England do well it's the players and if they do badly it's the manager.

Yes Southgate is fortunate to have inherited the most exciting crop of young players in decades but he's recognised the potential and used them. And he doesn't stand still - he's continually looking for new talent to emerge.

As you say our best manager since Ramsey by a country mile.

[werrington]

Mar 24, 2024 10:32:13 GMT davejohnno1 said:

Mar 24, 2024 9:29:28 GMT werrington said:

Anybody who doesn’t enjoy watching this England side doesn’t like football

Wether he gets his tactics right or wrong is questionable but this squad plays front foot football which is enjoyable

It’s a rare quality to be able to put that quality of player into a team and fashion it into one that can barely muster a meaningful attempt at goal in 90 minutes, irrespective of the fact they were playing Brazil.

Roy Hodgson squeezed all the life out of enjoying England Dave

England had 13 yes THIRTEEN players who were unavailable for selection or a bench option

There were players out there last night who won’t even travel to Germany

[Gary Hackett]

Wasn't it a totally meaningless friendly ?

[davejohnno1]

Mar 24, 2024 10:46:46 GMT werrington said:

Mar 24, 2024 10:32:13 GMT davejohnno1 said:

It’s a rare quality to be able to put that quality of player into a team and fashion it into one that can barely muster a meaningful attempt at goal in 90 minutes, irrespective of the fact they were playing Brazil.

Roy Hodgson squeezed all the life out of enjoying England Dave

England had 13 yes THIRTEEN players who were unavailable for selection or a bench option

There were players out there last night who won’t even travel to Germany

Kane, Saka and shaw the only noticeable absentees from his likely starting 11 weren’t they?

[lordb]

Mar 24, 2024 11:07:22 GMT davejohnno1 said:

Mar 24, 2024 10:46:46 GMT werrington said:

Roy Hodgson squeezed all the life out of enjoying England Dave

England had 13 yes THIRTEEN players who were unavailable for selection or a bench option

There were players out there last night who won’t even travel to Germany

Kane, Saka and shaw the only noticeable absentees from his likely starting 11 weren’t they?

Guehi, Shaw, Alexander Arnold
Neatly half a team

[lordb]

Mar 24, 2024 10:46:45 GMT CBUFAWKIPWH said:

Mar 24, 2024 7:09:34 GMT Gods said:

I just came too late for Alf Ramsey so Southgate has been easily the most successful England manager I have known.

Often we would not qualify for major tournaments at all and when we did making the semis or even a final was unheard of.

Spot on. The abuse Southgate gets is unreal - if England do well it's the players and if they do badly it's the manager.

Yes Southgate is fortunate to have inherited the most exciting crop of young players in decades but he's recognised the potential and used them. And he doesn't stand still - he's continually looking for new talent to emerge.

As you say our best manager since Ramsey by a country mile.

I'd argue the players Sven had available were better overall

[davejohnno1]

Mar 24, 2024 11:08:47 GMT lordb said:

Mar 24, 2024 11:07:22 GMT davejohnno1 said:

Kane, Saka and shaw the only noticeable absentees from his likely starting 11 weren’t they?

Guehi, Shaw, Alexander Arnold
Neatly half a team

I must have missed when they were regulars 🤷‍♂️