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Post by nott1 on Nov 21, 2023 10:25:03 GMT
Never even interested me enough to actually watch it. Another poor borefest? What a thing to say when I've been football mad for decades. If they get to the semi I'll be back or they play a decent team!
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Post by Foster on Nov 21, 2023 10:27:17 GMT
Never even interested me enough to actually watch it. Another poor borefest? What a thing to say when I've been football mad for decades. If they get to the semi I'll be back or they play a decent team! Didn't watch the last two games but followed the results. I dislike international breaks. It's all about Stoke. |
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 21, 2023 11:00:08 GMT
Southgate is blessed with a great squad which should be even better if it weren't for his selections, i.e. picking Maguire, Phillips, Henderson over better in form players. We had a great Euro's last time around and a decent World Cup but it could've been even better with a decent manager in charge with more tactical nous. I belive Southgate is a hinderance and the fact we've reached a final and a semi final in major tournaments gives many a blinkered view and the opinion that he is 'successful.' The fact is he's won fuck all with a great squad. We've had so called better managers with better players who haven't achieved a fraction of what Southgate has. The FACT is that bar the odd blip we've won fuck all with any manager and groups of players. Southgate has done an amazing job, developing young players and making playing for England something a footballer aspires to. We have a great chance of winning the Euros next year. After that it's time for him to move on. |
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Nov 21, 2023 11:16:13 GMT
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Post by TinkerT on Nov 21, 2023 11:16:13 GMT
Jesus christ that's never a pen and they didn't give the stone wall pen. Long live var If Lewis had made that challenge 20 yards out it would have been a free kick, therefore it's a penalty. Stay off the crack, if that's a penalty then the games dead. The bloke literally ran into his hand |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2023 11:57:36 GMT
Southgate is blessed with a great squad which should be even better if it weren't for his selections, i.e. picking Maguire, Phillips, Henderson over better in form players. We had a great Euro's last time around and a decent World Cup but it could've been even better with a decent manager in charge with more tactical nous. I belive Southgate is a hinderance and the fact we've reached a final and a semi final in major tournaments gives many a blinkered view and the opinion that he is 'successful.' The fact is he's won fuck all with a great squad. We've had so called better managers with better players who haven't achieved a fraction of what Southgate has. The FACT is that bar the odd blip we've won fuck all with any manager and groups of players. Southgate has done an amazing job, developing young players and making playing for England something a footballer aspires to. We have a great chance of winning the Euros next year. After that it's time for him to move on. Nobody is disputing other managers have failed, thats another topic but I'm not sure what he's done that you find so amazing. Developing young players is part and parcel of the job, it is for any manager, its not exclusive to Southgate. I'd argue he's hindered up and coming players by his stubborness in perservering with Maguire (see last nights showing) Henderson and Phillips who can't get in his own team. In my opinion we should've beaten an average Italian team it the Euro's final on home soil but thats just me. |
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Nov 21, 2023 12:18:48 GMT
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Post by PotteringThrough on Nov 21, 2023 12:18:48 GMT
We've had so called better managers with better players who haven't achieved a fraction of what Southgate has. The FACT is that bar the odd blip we've won fuck all with any manager and groups of players. Southgate has done an amazing job, developing young players and making playing for England something a footballer aspires to. We have a great chance of winning the Euros next year. After that it's time for him to move on. Nobody is disputing other managers have failed, thats another topic but I'm not sure what he's done that you find so amazing. Developing young players is part and parcel of the job, it is for any manager, its not exclusive to Southgate. I'd argue he's hindered up and coming players by his stubborness in perservering with Maguire (see last nights showing) Henderson and Phillips who can't get in his own team. In my opinion we should've beaten an average Italian team it the Euro's final on home soil but thats just me. It’s not just you that thinks we should’ve beaten Italy. I also think we should have got to the final in 2018 beating an ageing Croatian side. Being critical of these last two performances isn’t unfair and doesn’t criticise the improvements we’ve seen in qualifying for tournaments and then our subsequent performances under Southgate. The issue for me remains that once we set up we can only play one way. We had no plan B yesterday or on Friday and carried on dominating the ball just inside the opponents half. It took 4 or 5 passes to go from Pickford to that midfield point - we very rarely looked to go long and just mix it up. When we did go long there were a couple of times we got in behind but we were unwilling to try it. These two games, as have been pointed out by many, were relatively meaningless because we’d already qualified - well in that case why not try and work on a few different things and see how the players react, particularly mid-game. One of the reasons we’ve not gone that extra step in the tournaments under Southgate is this reason in my opinion. I get that he trusts players and has his men who he knows can play the way he wants but some of them don’t deserve to be in the team on their current performances - he’s doing what he didn’t at the start of his reign and picking favourites, not players in form. Southgate has done an excellent job, he arguably could’ve done better never mind worse. |
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 21, 2023 13:58:45 GMT
Nobody is disputing other managers have failed, thats another topic but I'm not sure what he's done that you find so amazing. Developing young players is part and parcel of the job, it is for any manager, its not exclusive to Southgate. I'd argue he's hindered up and coming players by his stubborness in perservering with Maguire (see last nights showing) Henderson and Phillips who can't get in his own team. In my opinion we should've beaten an average Italian team it the Euro's final on home soil but thats just me. It’s not just you that thinks we should’ve beaten Italy. I also think we should have got to the final in 2018 beating an ageing Croatian side. Being critical of these last two performances isn’t unfair and doesn’t criticise the improvements we’ve seen in qualifying for tournaments and then our subsequent performances under Southgate. The issue for me remains that once we set up we can only play one way. We had no plan B yesterday or on Friday and carried on dominating the ball just inside the opponents half. It took 4 or 5 passes to go from Pickford to that midfield point - we very rarely looked to go long and just mix it up. When we did go long there were a couple of times we got in behind but we were unwilling to try it. These two games, as have been pointed out by many, were relatively meaningless because we’d already qualified - well in that case why not try and work on a few different things and see how the players react, particularly mid-game. One of the reasons we’ve not gone that extra step in the tournaments under Southgate is this reason in my opinion. I get that he trusts players and has his men who he knows can play the way he wants but some of them don’t deserve to be in the team on their current performances - he’s doing what he didn’t at the start of his reign and picking favourites, not players in form. Southgate has done an excellent job, he arguably could’ve done better never mind worse. He went into the game last night with an alternative formation with new players on the park. The different things you're asking for. A number of players played badly. He changed the game with a substitution ad we scored instantly. I think we should have won the Euros but it's fine margins i.e penalties. The Croatia game is tough, they were rammed with good footballers. Modric is world class and we had nothing anywhere near him. Their midfield was way better then ours. I'm not really sure what else he can do. |
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Nov 21, 2023 14:38:13 GMT
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Post by PotteringThrough on Nov 21, 2023 14:38:13 GMT
It’s not just you that thinks we should’ve beaten Italy. I also think we should have got to the final in 2018 beating an ageing Croatian side. Being critical of these last two performances isn’t unfair and doesn’t criticise the improvements we’ve seen in qualifying for tournaments and then our subsequent performances under Southgate. The issue for me remains that once we set up we can only play one way. We had no plan B yesterday or on Friday and carried on dominating the ball just inside the opponents half. It took 4 or 5 passes to go from Pickford to that midfield point - we very rarely looked to go long and just mix it up. When we did go long there were a couple of times we got in behind but we were unwilling to try it. These two games, as have been pointed out by many, were relatively meaningless because we’d already qualified - well in that case why not try and work on a few different things and see how the players react, particularly mid-game. One of the reasons we’ve not gone that extra step in the tournaments under Southgate is this reason in my opinion. I get that he trusts players and has his men who he knows can play the way he wants but some of them don’t deserve to be in the team on their current performances - he’s doing what he didn’t at the start of his reign and picking favourites, not players in form. Southgate has done an excellent job, he arguably could’ve done better never mind worse. He went into the game last night with an alternative formation with new players on the park. The different things you're asking for. A number of players played badly. He changed the game with a substitution ad we scored instantly. I think we should have won the Euros but it's fine margins i.e penalties. The Croatia game is tough, they were rammed with good footballers. Modric is world class and we had nothing anywhere near him. Their midfield was way better then ours. I'm not really sure what else he can do. Alternative formation? I don’t think it was - it still looked like 4-2-3-1 to me which has been his formation for the qualifiers - the only difference being Lewis being given a bit of freedom to drift wherever when attacking. He gave Watkins a go up top ahead of Kane and at the start of the game said we’d play to his strengths of getting in behind - we didn’t do that though, we were slow on the ball and players taking two or three extra touches allowing them to reset. It was the same on Friday. I can’t remember a ball over the top or through the channels to give Watkins a chance - he can’t play the Kane role, not many can and it’s a real plus point for us. But then we can’t any other way either, this is one of my points. I think those others are probably there or thereabouts in his plans and first choice injuries aside. However, even if you think the formation was different the game plan wasn’t. We still knocked it about at the back two or three times, into Rice, half turn and then look forward before deciding to lay it back or go to the full back before slowing it down again. He brought on one of the best strikers in the world on the hour mark and you’re correct, he did score - why not also take some of those other players off who were playing badly and really change it up? That’s the kind of thing I want him to do - if you and I can see it why can’t he or the coaches? Saka and TAA particularly were just walking from about 65 mins on, wasn’t their night but we’ve got plenty of choices on the bench to be proactive and inject something into the match. Waiting until the 84th minute was just too long for me. |
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 21, 2023 14:48:04 GMT
He went into the game last night with an alternative formation with new players on the park. The different things you're asking for. A number of players played badly. He changed the game with a substitution ad we scored instantly. I think we should have won the Euros but it's fine margins i.e penalties. The Croatia game is tough, they were rammed with good footballers. Modric is world class and we had nothing anywhere near him. Their midfield was way better then ours. I'm not really sure what else he can do. Alternative formation? I don’t think it was - it still looked like 4-2-3-1 to me which has been his formation for the qualifiers - the only difference being Lewis being given a bit of freedom to drift wherever when attacking. He gave Watkins a go up top ahead of Kane and at the start of the game said we’d play to his strengths of getting in behind - we didn’t do that though, we were slow on the ball and players taking two or three extra touches allowing them to reset. It was the same on Friday. I can’t remember a ball over the top or through the channels to give Watkins a chance - he can’t play the Kane role, not many can and it’s a real plus point for us. But then we can’t any other way either, this is one of my points. I think those others are probably there or thereabouts in his plans and first choice injuries aside. However, even if you think the formation was different the game plan wasn’t. We still knocked it about at the back two or three times, into Rice, half turn and then look forward before deciding to lay it back or go to the full back before slowing it down again. He brought on one of the best strikers in the world on the hour mark and you’re correct, he did score - why not also take some of those other players off who were playing badly and really change it up? That’s the kind of thing I want him to do - if you and I can see it why can’t he or the coaches? Saka and TAA particularly were just walking from about 65 mins on, wasn’t their night but we’ve got plenty of choices on the bench to be proactive and inject something into the match. Waiting until the 84th minute was just too long for me. He's played 4-3-3 for all games bar last night and Italy away. Do you think he's instructed TAA to walk around from minute one like some kind of entitled kid or Saka and Grealish to have stinkers? He made his first substitution on 56 minutes because it wasn't working with Watkins. I agree, the others could have been replaced sooner. |
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Nov 21, 2023 15:25:27 GMT
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Post by PotteringThrough on Nov 21, 2023 15:25:27 GMT
Alternative formation? I don’t think it was - it still looked like 4-2-3-1 to me which has been his formation for the qualifiers - the only difference being Lewis being given a bit of freedom to drift wherever when attacking. He gave Watkins a go up top ahead of Kane and at the start of the game said we’d play to his strengths of getting in behind - we didn’t do that though, we were slow on the ball and players taking two or three extra touches allowing them to reset. It was the same on Friday. I can’t remember a ball over the top or through the channels to give Watkins a chance - he can’t play the Kane role, not many can and it’s a real plus point for us. But then we can’t any other way either, this is one of my points. I think those others are probably there or thereabouts in his plans and first choice injuries aside. However, even if you think the formation was different the game plan wasn’t. We still knocked it about at the back two or three times, into Rice, half turn and then look forward before deciding to lay it back or go to the full back before slowing it down again. He brought on one of the best strikers in the world on the hour mark and you’re correct, he did score - why not also take some of those other players off who were playing badly and really change it up? That’s the kind of thing I want him to do - if you and I can see it why can’t he or the coaches? Saka and TAA particularly were just walking from about 65 mins on, wasn’t their night but we’ve got plenty of choices on the bench to be proactive and inject something into the match. Waiting until the 84th minute was just too long for me. He's played 4-3-3 for all games bar last night and Italy away. Do you think he's instructed TAA to walk around from minute one like some kind of entitled kid or Saka and Grealish to have stinkers? He made his first substitution on 56 minutes because it wasn't working with Watkins. I agree, the others could have been replaced sooner. No, I don’t think he instructed anyone to walk around or have stinkers - I think he chose to leave them on though. If you can see it why can’t he? That’s my point - he can’t change things to take control of games and doesn’t react to poor performances. I don’t know why but it is something that he needs to change if we want to win something. It’s been 4 at the back, 2 holding mids and then 4 attackers however you want to line them up. The game plan is still the same either way. Missing Kane & Bellingham impacts any team in the world, we’ve not got the players to replace them so we need to be able to adapt our game plan if the worst was to happen. I want us to win a tournament, I want him to win a tournament - I like him. |
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Post by scfc1863 on Nov 21, 2023 16:11:14 GMT
If Lewis had made that challenge 20 yards out it would have been a free kick, therefore it's a penalty. Stay off the crack, if that's a penalty then the games dead. The bloke literally ran into his hand Agreed, no penalty. However, if the VAR panel and the referee, after watching it, deemed that a deliberate foul was committed by Lewis striking an opponent in the face, then surely Lewis should have been shown a red card for violent conduct. Two wrong decisions in my opinion. |
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Nov 21, 2023 16:28:48 GMT
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Post by TinkerT on Nov 21, 2023 16:28:48 GMT
Stay off the crack, if that's a penalty then the games dead. The bloke literally ran into his hand Agreed, no penalty. However, if the VAR panel and the referee, after watching it, deemed that a deliberate foul was committed by Lewis striking an opponent in the face, then surely Lewis should have been shown a red card for violent conduct. Two wrong decisions in my opinion. I just think they evened it out after dropping a bollock not giving the maguire pen but they shouldn't be doing that with var. |
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Nov 21, 2023 16:37:58 GMT
The Maguire penalty created by him passing the ball 20 yards straight to a Macedonian player!
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Nov 21, 2023 18:04:14 GMT
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Nov 21, 2023 18:04:14 GMT
Absolutely. We will be one of 6 to 8 teams with a fair chance of winning it. We'll probably fall slightly short but it'll be a nice distraction from all the bollox going on around the world. Come on Ingerlaaaaand 😆 Mostly looking forward to the plastic chair throwing competitions in the various town squares. We always do okay at that at least 🤣 I'm sure our finest young men will show respect and behave as ambassadors of this great country. Hopefully yes 👍 🙏 |
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Post by werrington on Nov 21, 2023 19:15:35 GMT
U21s live on YouTube at 7:45 v Northern Ireland
If interested of course
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Post by cheadlepotter on Feb 8, 2024 10:47:30 GMT
Nations League draw at 5pm.
Fingers crossed we get Ireland. We should be winning our group with ease whoever we get.
League B
Pot 1: Austria, Czech Republic, England, Wales
Pot 2: Finland, Ukraine, Iceland, Norway
Pot 3: Slovenia, Republic of Ireland, Albania, Montenegro
Pot 4: Georgia, Greece, Turkey, Kazakhstan
Scotland’s group could be very diverse in difficulty (Spain, Portugal, France or Croatia, Hungary, Poland).
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Post by cdf on Feb 8, 2024 11:38:43 GMT
Nations League draw at 5pm. Fingers crossed we get Ireland. We should be winning our group with ease whoever we get. League B Pot 1: Austria, Czech Republic, England, Wales Pot 2: Finland, Ukraine, Iceland, Norway Pot 3: Slovenia, Republic of Ireland, Albania, Montenegro Pot 4: Georgia, Greece, Turkey, Kazakhstan Scotland’s group could be very diverse in difficulty (Spain, Portugal, France or Croatia, Hungary, Poland). Greece or Turkey will be great for a bit of sun |
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Post by vidigoals on Feb 8, 2024 11:55:39 GMT
Dreaming of Finland, Albania, Kazakhstan group.
Ireland could be fun, likewise Turkey.
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Post by Northy on Feb 8, 2024 11:57:33 GMT
Nations League draw at 5pm. Fingers crossed we get Ireland. We should be winning our group with ease whoever we get. League B Pot 1: Austria, Czech Republic, England, Wales Pot 2: Finland, Ukraine, Iceland, Norway Pot 3: Slovenia, Republic of Ireland, Albania, Montenegro Pot 4: Georgia, Greece, Turkey, Kazakhstan Scotland’s group could be very diverse in difficulty (Spain, Portugal, France or Croatia, Hungary, Poland). Shameful that we are down at that level though. |
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 8, 2024 16:13:12 GMT
Dreaming of Finland, Albania, Kazakhstan group. Ireland could be fun, likewise Turkey. Yeah definitely enjoy watching England play locally here or in the capital. |
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 8, 2024 17:12:21 GMT
Nations League draw at 5pm. Fingers crossed we get Ireland. We should be winning our group with ease whoever we get. League B Pot 1: Austria, Czech Republic, England, Wales Pot 2: Finland, Ukraine, Iceland, Norway Pot 3: Slovenia, Republic of Ireland, Albania, Montenegro Pot 4: Georgia, Greece, Turkey, Kazakhstan Scotland’s group could be very diverse in difficulty (Spain, Portugal, France or Croatia, Hungary, Poland). Shameful that we are down at that level though. I am puzzled why England are still ranked 3rd highest in the world if we cant qualify for the top 16 of Europe? |
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Feb 8, 2024 17:37:27 GMT
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Post by spiderpuss on Feb 8, 2024 17:37:27 GMT
Iceland, Albania and Georgia for me.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Feb 8, 2024 17:39:24 GMT
Ireland, get in.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Feb 8, 2024 17:40:54 GMT
England
Finland
Republic of Ireland
Greece
That couldn’t have gone any better really.
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 8, 2024 17:45:08 GMT
England Finland Republic of Ireland Greece That couldn’t have gone any better really. So we will be playing teams ranked 47th, 59th and 60th in the world...wow! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2024 17:46:09 GMT
England Finland Republic of Ireland Greece That couldn’t have gone any better really. So we will be playing teams ranked 47th, 59th and 60th in the world...wow! Yet, I’d be surprised if we use any of this to experiment with the squad/formations. |
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Feb 8, 2024 18:08:37 GMT
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Post by cheadlepotter on Feb 8, 2024 18:08:37 GMT
England Finland Republic of Ireland Greece That couldn’t have gone any better really. So we will be playing teams ranked 47th, 59th and 60th in the world...wow! Oh I know, I’d much rather be in League A playing the better teams and getting a better seeding for the qualifiers, but we are where we are and of the teams available that’s probably as good as it could have gone. The worst 2nd seed, a local side, and the most comfortable draw from the 4th seeds. We’ll be back in League A next time. |
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Feb 8, 2024 18:08:51 GMT
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Post by cheadlepotter on Feb 8, 2024 18:08:51 GMT
So we will be playing teams ranked 47th, 59th and 60th in the world...wow! Yet, I’d be surprised if we use any of this to experiment with the squad/formations. We won’t have Southgate by then. |
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Post by bertiestan on Feb 8, 2024 19:07:04 GMT
Yet, I’d be surprised if we use any of this to experiment with the squad/formations. We won’t have Southgate by then. 🤞🏻 |
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Post by GrahamHyde on Feb 8, 2024 19:09:51 GMT
Hopefully they don't schedule 4 of the 6 games within 1-2 weeks of the season finishing this time.
Ridiculous that was.
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