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Nov 20, 2023 22:00:40 GMT
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Post by adri2008 on Nov 20, 2023 22:00:40 GMT
Southgate is never going to be some tactical midgame genius but then not many managers are - they chuck on fresh legs and hope they do something.
Either way, England have qualified very comfortably again - its become a formality. Looking forward to the tournament next year
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Nov 20, 2023 22:00:56 GMT
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Post by scfcwebby on Nov 20, 2023 22:00:56 GMT
Got to be Maddison when fit hasn't it? We all know it will be Phillips though Don't think he plays Bellingham and Maddison together. Which is exactly why we have no chance of winning anything while he's in charge. |
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Nov 20, 2023 22:07:37 GMT
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Post by GrahamHyde on Nov 20, 2023 22:07:37 GMT
Don't think he plays Bellingham and Maddison together. Which is exactly why we have no chance of winning anything while he's in charge. At least we're getting to semis and finals though, better than most of his predecessors have managed. |
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Nov 20, 2023 22:11:09 GMT
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Post by thisisouryear on Nov 20, 2023 22:11:09 GMT
Which is exactly why we have no chance of winning anything while he's in charge. At least we're getting to semis and finals though, better than most of his predecessors have managed. I should think so with the players we have. Croatia have done better than us with half the talent we have. |
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Nov 20, 2023 22:14:11 GMT
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Nov 20, 2023 22:14:11 GMT
Don't think he plays Bellingham and Maddison together. Which is exactly why we have no chance of winning anything while he's in charge. More worried about him thinking Trent is a genuine option in Midfield. |
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Post by bertiestan on Nov 20, 2023 22:19:28 GMT
Which is exactly why we have no chance of winning anything while he's in charge. At least we're getting to semis and finals though, better than most of his predecessors have managed. And heres the problem |
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Nov 20, 2023 22:21:32 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 20, 2023 22:21:32 GMT
What was the final score? Switched over to Big Nige
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England
Nov 20, 2023 22:25:40 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 20, 2023 22:25:40 GMT
Which is exactly why we have no chance of winning anything while he's in charge. More worried about him thinking Trent is a genuine option in Midfield. He’s such a good footballer but I feel like a proper midfielder like Ward Prowse alongside Rice and Bellingham has the lot. He’s a great option off the bench for sure. For me it’s Rice, Bellingham plus one more depending on opponents. There will be occasions when even Henderson or Phillips or Maddison or Gallagher may be the better option. But there are two shoo ins |
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England
Nov 20, 2023 22:34:45 GMT
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Nov 20, 2023 22:34:45 GMT
Which is exactly why we have no chance of winning anything while he's in charge. More worried about him thinking Trent is a genuine option in Midfield. And that Maguire is still a first choice at centre back. |
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Post by scfcwebby on Nov 20, 2023 22:42:20 GMT
Which is exactly why we have no chance of winning anything while he's in charge. At least we're getting to semis and finals though, better than most of his predecessors have managed. His predecessors haven't had even half of the squad that we've got now |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Nov 20, 2023 22:50:58 GMT
England played again? Bugger! :-D
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Post by mickstupp on Nov 20, 2023 22:52:03 GMT
I can see unrealistic expectations getting raised again. We have some fine individuals, but we are one of maybe eight teams that stand a realistic chance of getting into the final.
So much depends on key players staying fit and in form. Even then, we will still need a bit of luck. We will almost certainly have to win a penalty shoot out at some point in the competition for a start.
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Nov 20, 2023 22:57:34 GMT
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Post by insideright on Nov 20, 2023 22:57:34 GMT
At least we're getting to semis and finals though, better than most of his predecessors have managed. His predecessors haven't had even half of the squad that we've got now So I must have forgotten about Gascoigne Robson Scholes Gerrard lampard Lineker Hudson Worthington greenhoff....... |
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Post by GrahamHyde on Nov 20, 2023 23:22:58 GMT
England have had excellent footballers in the past. Those of the 2002-2006 sides in particular are lauded and we still only made the QFs then.
2000 - Group stage exit
2002 - QF exit
2004 - QF exit
2006 - QF exit
2008 - DNQ
2010 - 2R exit
2012 - QF exit
2014 - Group stage exit
2016 - 2R exit (Iceland)
Southgate arrives
2018 - SF exit
2020 - Runners up
2022 - QF exit
So his worst performance in his three tournaments to date has still matched our best in the 10 tournaments prior to his arrival.
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Nov 21, 2023 0:33:51 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Nov 21, 2023 0:33:51 GMT
England have had excellent footballers in the past. Those of the 2002-2006 sides in particular are lauded and we still only made the QFs then. 2000 - Group stage exit 2002 - QF exit 2004 - QF exit 2006 - QF exit 2008 - DNQ 2010 - 2R exit 2012 - QF exit 2014 - Group stage exit 2016 - 2R exit (Iceland) Southgate arrives 2018 - SF exit 2020 - Runners up 2022 - QF exit So his worst performance in his three tournaments to date has still matched our best in the 10 tournaments prior to his arrival. I’m old enough to remember the last time we went to Germany for the European Championships. It was 1988 and we had Shilton, Robson, Waddle, Hoddle, Beardsley, Lineker and Barnes in our line up. England were heavily fancied to do well with such a star studded line up. We then proceeded to lose all three games and came home in disgrace. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 21, 2023 4:18:14 GMT
England have had excellent footballers in the past. Those of the 2002-2006 sides in particular are lauded and we still only made the QFs then. 2000 - Group stage exit 2002 - QF exit 2004 - QF exit 2006 - QF exit 2008 - DNQ 2010 - 2R exit 2012 - QF exit 2014 - Group stage exit 2016 - 2R exit (Iceland) Southgate arrives 2018 - SF exit 2020 - Runners up 2022 - QF exit So his worst performance in his three tournaments to date has still matched our best in the 10 tournaments prior to his arrival. I’m old enough to remember the last time we went to Germany for the European Championships. It was 1988 and we had Shilton, Robson, Waddle, Hoddle, Beardsley, Lineker and Barnes in our line up. England were heavily fancied to do well with such a star studded line up. We then proceeded to lose all three games and came home in disgrace. The Ireland result was unbelievable. We battered them. But Bonner had the game of his life. |
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Nov 21, 2023 4:35:31 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 21, 2023 4:35:31 GMT
His predecessors haven't had even half of the squad that we've got now So I must have forgotten about Gascoigne Robson Scholes Gerrard lampard Lineker Hudson Worthington greenhoff....... They were very good players but not especially good team players. Apart from Hudson. |
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Post by adri2008 on Nov 21, 2023 6:19:45 GMT
England have had excellent footballers in the past. Those of the 2002-2006 sides in particular are lauded and we still only made the QFs then. 2000 - Group stage exit 2002 - QF exit 2004 - QF exit 2006 - QF exit 2008 - DNQ 2010 - 2R exit 2012 - QF exit 2014 - Group stage exit 2016 - 2R exit (Iceland) Southgate arrives 2018 - SF exit 2020 - Runners up 2022 - QF exit So his worst performance in his three tournaments to date has still matched our best in the 10 tournaments prior to his arrival. Hes made qualifying an absolute formality too. At the end of the day, we have a world class striker (Kane) and a midfielder (Bellingham) + some very good midfielders in Saka, Foden and Rice. Rashford/Sterling are hit and miss and the entire defence are average at best. We are a top 5 team for sure and I fancy our chances next year but its all hinging on Kane/Bellingham. |
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Nov 21, 2023 6:48:34 GMT
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Post by scfcwebby on Nov 21, 2023 6:48:34 GMT
His predecessors haven't had even half of the squad that we've got now So I must have forgotten about Gascoigne Robson Scholes Gerrard lampard Lineker Hudson Worthington greenhoff....... Oh yes of course... What a squad that was. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 21, 2023 7:31:09 GMT
🤣🤣🤣
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Post by Northy on Nov 21, 2023 7:34:42 GMT
That one has been out since they beat Italy a few years ago. |
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Post by ohbottom on Nov 21, 2023 7:52:19 GMT
Creatively brilliant journalism at it's best. Blatantly ripped off from the joke when Western Samoa beat Wales in a Rugby world cup match... |
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Post by ohbottom on Nov 21, 2023 7:54:55 GMT
At least we're getting to semis and finals though, better than most of his predecessors have managed. His predecessors haven't had even half of the squad that we've got now Remember the "Golden Generation"? |
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Post by mickstupp on Nov 21, 2023 8:11:02 GMT
I’m old enough to remember the last time we went to Germany for the European Championships. It was 1988 and we had Shilton, Robson, Waddle, Hoddle, Beardsley, Lineker and Barnes in our line up. England were heavily fancied to do well with such a star studded line up. We then proceeded to lose all three games and came home in disgrace. The Ireland result was unbelievable. We battered them. But Bonner had the game of his life. We also went toe to toe with eventual winners Holland in the next game but lost 3-1. And I suppose that’s my point, people are getting carried away due to the individuals we can pick from but there’s a lot more that goes into tournament football. At the end of the day, there can only be one winner. |
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 21, 2023 8:35:41 GMT
I don’t get this argument that we should be doing better with these players especially in an historical context. We have mostly always had 3 or4 world class players in the team and struggled to win tournaments. I get Kane and Bellingham but after that even Foden does not consistently deliver and Bellingham has only just just become a top player recently. We had amazing players with Rooney, Gerard, Owen, Scholes, Lampard, Gascoigne who are legends of the game, and often much better defenders like Ferdinand and Campbell.
Saying he should be doing better with these players is ok as an opinion but it’s an really argument that can’t be lost because it’s totally hypothetical and a bit puzzling to me when looking at the evidence.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2023 9:25:20 GMT
Southgate is blessed with a great squad which should be even better if it weren't for his selections, i.e. picking Maguire, Phillips, Henderson over better in form players. We had a great Euro's last time around and a decent World Cup but it could've been even better with a decent manager in charge with more tactical nous. I belive Southgate is a hinderance and the fact we've reached a final and a semi final in major tournaments gives many a blinkered view and the opinion that he is 'successful.' The fact is he's won fuck all with a great squad.
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Nov 21, 2023 9:43:42 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 21, 2023 9:43:42 GMT
I don’t get this argument that we should be doing better with these players especially in an historical context. We have mostly always had 3 or4 world class players in the team and struggled to win tournaments. I get Kane and Bellingham but after that even Foden does not consistently deliver and Bellingham has only just just become a top player recently. We had amazing players with Rooney, Gerard, Owen, Scholes, Lampard, Gascoigne who are legends of the game, and often much better defenders like Ferdinand and Campbell. Saying he should be doing better with these players is ok as an opinion but it’s an really argument that can’t be lost because it’s totally hypothetical and a bit puzzling to me when looking at the evidence. Those players of yesteryear often were good but not really any better than loads of players elsewhere. The most globally acclaimed we had was Scholes. Other than him our top players didn't really register that much of a mark. |
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Post by bigvern on Nov 21, 2023 9:52:12 GMT
Who really cares about these last 2 games?
Roll on next summer.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Nov 21, 2023 10:00:50 GMT
Who really cares about these last 2 games? Roll on next summer. Absolutely. We will be one of 6 to 8 teams with a fair chance of winning it. We'll probably fall slightly short but it'll be a nice distraction from all the bollox going on around the world. Come on Ingerlaaaaand 😆 Mostly looking forward to the plastic chair throwing competitions in the various town squares. We always do okay at that at least 🤣 |
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Post by bigvern on Nov 21, 2023 10:14:26 GMT
Who really cares about these last 2 games? Roll on next summer. Absolutely. We will be one of 6 to 8 teams with a fair chance of winning it. We'll probably fall slightly short but it'll be a nice distraction from all the bollox going on around the world. Come on Ingerlaaaaand 😆 Mostly looking forward to the plastic chair throwing competitions in the various town squares. We always do okay at that at least 🤣 I'm sure our finest young men will show respect and behave as ambassadors of this great country. |
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