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Post by shakermaker on Oct 15, 2024 13:10:36 GMT
Pep's been able to pick players from all around the world during his successes,how will he do if is only allowed to pick just English players? This. I always wondered how the likes of him, Wenger, Mourinho and other managers who had unlimited budgets to spend on top class players would have faired managing Carlisle Utd or Oxford Utd. But if I’m going to find out would rather it be Guardiola. But likewise, neither is it a given that a manager with a record of punching above their weight on a shoestring budget can achieve more with a massive wedge to spend. There are examples (can't think of exactly who right now) of managers elevated to loftier positions who are overcome by the resources at their disposal and then spend badly on expensive players. |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Oct 15, 2024 14:17:56 GMT
Mourinho had success at a small club in Portugal, can't remember which one tbh Porto Porto weren’t exactly a small club were they? Portuguese premier league isn’t small time and they’d won it 18 times before he took over including 7 in the preceding 10 seasons. They’d also won their FA cup equivalent 11 times including 5 times in the preceding 10 seasons. Hardly small time. Looking at his record at FC Porto they had finished 3 rd the previous season and he took them back to champions following season. IMO it’s a myth that mourinho once had success with a small club, not in the same league as the likes of Real Madrid I agree, but definitely not a small club. |
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Post by LphPotter on Oct 15, 2024 14:21:26 GMT
Porto weren’t exactly a small club were they? Portuguese premier league isn’t small time and they’d won it 18 times before he took over including 7 in the preceding 10 seasons. They’d also won their FA cup equivalent 11 times including 5 times in the preceding 10 seasons. Hardly small time. Looking at his record at FC Porto they had finished 3 rd the previous season and he took them back to champions following season. Nothing he did domestically with Porto was amazing but winning the champions league with them was. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 15, 2024 14:22:05 GMT
All the papers seem to be reporting Tommy Tuchel is likely to be appointed quickly - and yet Carsley will remain in charge for the 2 games in November?!
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Post by lordb on Oct 15, 2024 14:29:40 GMT
Porto weren’t exactly a small club were they? Portuguese premier league isn’t small time and they’d won it 18 times before he took over including 7 in the preceding 10 seasons. They’d also won their FA cup equivalent 11 times including 5 times in the preceding 10 seasons. Hardly small time. Looking at his record at FC Porto they had finished 3 rd the previous season and he took them back to champions following season. IMO it’s a myth that mourinho once had success with a small club, not in the same league as the likes of Real Madrid I agree, but definitely not a small club. No before Porto Edit UD Liera |
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 15, 2024 15:09:02 GMT
I'm just wondering whether they would have been holding these talks with Tuchel now if they had not lost to Greece?
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Post by lawrieleslie on Oct 15, 2024 15:13:47 GMT
Porto weren’t exactly a small club were they? Portuguese premier league isn’t small time and they’d won it 18 times before he took over including 7 in the preceding 10 seasons. They’d also won their FA cup equivalent 11 times including 5 times in the preceding 10 seasons. Hardly small time. Looking at his record at FC Porto they had finished 3 rd the previous season and he took them back to champions following season. IMO it’s a myth that mourinho once had success with a small club, not in the same league as the likes of Real Madrid I agree, but definitely not a small club. No before Porto Edit UD Liera Yes that was the team he had relative success with for one season. So take back my previous comment that his success with a small club was a myth. Looking at his wiki page this time with União de Leiria attracted the interest of FC Porto. I still contend that he along with other very successful managers would struggle at Carlisle Utd. |
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Post by lordb on Oct 15, 2024 15:21:17 GMT
I'm just wondering whether they would have been holding these talks with Tuchel now if they had not lost to Greece? It's been implied that Carsley was told before then he's not getting the job |
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Post by lordb on Oct 15, 2024 15:22:18 GMT
No before Porto Edit UD Liera Yes that was the team he had relative success with for one season. So take back my previous comment that his success with a small club was a myth. Looking at his wiki page this time with União de Leiria attracted the interest of FC Porto. I still contend that he along with other very successful managers would struggle at Carlisle Utd. I think Jose would be successful at any level if only for a year or so However not convinced Pep would |
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 15, 2024 15:23:43 GMT
No before Porto Edit UD Liera Yes that was the team he had relative success with for one season. So take back my previous comment that his success with a small club was a myth. Looking at his wiki page this time with União de Leiria attracted the interest of FC Porto. I still contend that he along with other very successful managers would struggle at Carlisle Utd. I think that is entirely possible. I think it takes an whole different set of skills. |
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 15, 2024 15:25:31 GMT
I'm just wondering whether they would have been holding these talks with Tuchel now if they had not lost to Greece? It's been implied that Carsley was told before then he's not getting the job I was thinking more in terms of the urgency. |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Oct 15, 2024 15:56:53 GMT
Yes that was the team he had relative success with for one season. So take back my previous comment that his success with a small club was a myth. Looking at his wiki page this time with União de Leiria attracted the interest of FC Porto. I still contend that he along with other very successful managers would struggle at Carlisle Utd. I think that is entirely possible. I think it takes an whole different set of skills. The point I was trying to make is that most successful coaches at "big clubs" seem to have relatively unlimited financial resources with which to build a successful team. I was trying to gauge if Mourinho could succeed with the very limited resources at the likes of Carlisle Utd. |
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Post by s7oke on Oct 15, 2024 17:37:43 GMT
Apparently Tuchel agreed to become the new manager
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Post by LphPotter on Oct 15, 2024 17:45:57 GMT
Best we could hope for at the moment after Pep for me. Can’t see him lasting much longer than the World Cup though, unless we win it of course.
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Post by lordb on Oct 15, 2024 17:47:54 GMT
It's been implied that Carsley was told before then he's not getting the job I was thinking more in terms of the urgency. I see Presumably they are talking to Tuchel - now - as he's also strongly linked with The Shit They've obviously sounded out Pep and been told maybe but not probably,told no by Klopp So Tuchel is probably next on that wish list |
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Post by lordb on Oct 15, 2024 17:49:16 GMT
I think that is entirely possible. I think it takes an whole different set of skills. The point I was trying to make is that most successful coaches at "big clubs" seem to have relatively unlimited financial resources with which to build a successful team. I was trying to gauge if Mourinho could succeed with the very limited resources at the likes of Carlisle Utd. Think his skill set might work better at a small club although probably best at a smaller club in a top league with his us v the world schtick |
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Post by stokieinlondon on Oct 15, 2024 17:56:56 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 15, 2024 17:59:13 GMT
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Oct 15, 2024 18:02:47 GMT
I was hoping for Bayernoatcake but I guess Tuchel will have to do. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 15, 2024 18:04:03 GMT
I was hoping for Bayernoatcake but I guess Tuchel will have to do. How do you know he isn’t Tuchel? He’s been awfully quiet lately👀 |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 15, 2024 18:04:59 GMT
I personally think this will end in tears. Soon as we lose the German memes will come out on social media. He’ll get loads of shit
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Oct 15, 2024 18:06:13 GMT
I was hoping for Bayernoatcake but I guess Tuchel will have to do. How do you know he isn’t Tuchel? He’s been awfully quiet lately👀 Good point. We will soon know if he drops Kane first game. That will be the giveaway. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 15, 2024 18:06:57 GMT
How do you know he isn’t Tuchel? He’s been awfully quiet lately👀 Good point. We will soon know if he drops Kane first game. That will be the giveaway. And enquires about Verlindens ancestry |
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Oct 15, 2024 18:07:16 GMT
Hmmm, not sure about this one.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Oct 15, 2024 18:09:09 GMT
Good point. We will soon know if he drops Kane first game. That will be the giveaway. And enquires about Verlindens ancestry He would marry Verlinden just to get him in the squad. |
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Post by hamsta2 on Oct 15, 2024 18:15:46 GMT
I personally think this will end in tears. Soon as we lose the German memes will come out on social media. He’ll get loads of shit Think you’re right, sadly. Imagine the Tommy Robinson/Farage lot when we lose to ‘insert foreign team’. I don’t really follow England as much these days but if he is appointed I hope he does well. Thing is, Southgate had a v good record. Anything less than winning something is failure. With the squad we have now that’s how it will be portrayed. No matter if the manager is Pep or Zardox from the planet Mary, Mungo and Midge. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 15, 2024 18:17:09 GMT
I personally think this will end in tears. Soon as we lose the German memes will come out on social media. He’ll get loads of shit Think you’re right, sadly. Imagine the Tommy Robinson/Farage lot when we lose to ‘insert foreign team’. I don’t really follow England as much these days but if he is appointed I hope he does well. Thing is, Southgate had a v good record. Anything less than winning something is failure. With the squad we have now that’s how it will be portrayed. No matter if the manager is Pep or Zardox from the planet Mary, Mungo and Midge. “I hope he dies well” 🤣 typical hamsta |
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Post by hamsta2 on Oct 15, 2024 18:17:39 GMT
I personally think this will end in tears. Soon as we lose the German memes will come out on social media. He’ll get loads of shit Think you’re right, sadly. Imagine the Tommy Robinson/Farage lot when we lose to ‘insert foreign team’. I don’t really follow England as much these days but if he is appointed I hope he does well. Thing is, Southgate had a v good record. Anything less than winning something is failure. With the squad we have now that’s how it will be portrayed. No matter if the manager is Pep or Zardox from the planet Mary, Mungo and Midge. Just had to make a crucial edit due to a typo. Gold star to anyone who spots the word I had to change. 💀 |
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Post by hamsta2 on Oct 15, 2024 18:18:52 GMT
Think you’re right, sadly. Imagine the Tommy Robinson/Farage lot when we lose to ‘insert foreign team’. I don’t really follow England as much these days but if he is appointed I hope he does well. Thing is, Southgate had a v good record. Anything less than winning something is failure. With the squad we have now that’s how it will be portrayed. No matter if the manager is Pep or Zardox from the planet Mary, Mungo and Midge. “I hope he dies well” 🤣 typical hamsta Git. You get the gold star. Just edited it. I need to go to Temu and get stronger reading glasses. Either that or it was force of habit 💀 |
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Post by lordb on Oct 15, 2024 18:21:39 GMT
Hmmm, not sure about this one. Me neither but quick glance at his CV it is impressive Generally wants to play attacking football and is known for some smart tactical thinking However he's not going to be the unifying force for the players that Southgate was I guess his relationship with the media will be key Seen a few suggestions that he gets on better with the English media than the German media |
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