England

[JoeinOz]

Oct 11, 2024 6:14:09 GMT JoeinOz said:

Oct 11, 2024 5:42:01 GMT thornestein said:

and some think Carsley should be manager 🤣😂🤣😂

At this point I still do. I reckon he picked the team he did to distance himself from Southgate. It failed miserably. So a different challenge arises in Helsinki.

I'll correct myself 😁.
I still reckon it'd be too hasty to disregard him. We had a bad night let's see how we respond.

Quoting and replying to your own posts is surely a sign of madness 😁

[mrnovember]

Oct 11, 2024 5:42:01 GMT thornestein said:

and some think Carsley should be manager 🤣😂🤣😂

Judging from his comments in the post game interview, I don't think Carsley thinks Carsley should be manager. "Hopefully I'll be back with the U21s."

[spitthedog]

Oct 11, 2024 0:00:07 GMT JoeinOz said:

Oct 10, 2024 23:58:18 GMT spitthedog said:

The biggest problem for me was that the players couldn't be arsed.
Those players, at their levels and against that level of opposition should be winning that game whatever system they are playing.
The biggest difference tonight was that Greece wanted it and England players didn't. That was clear as daylight.

I disagree with that mate. Greece deservedly won but it wasn't because of more effort.

I don’t know, more effort and therefore more focus. I agree with sportsman alot of those England players looked like they didn’t want to be there to me. They only switched on for the last 10 minutes and then it was all hectic and realised they had lost total control of the game.

[thornestein]

Oct 11, 2024 6:14:09 GMT JoeinOz said:

Oct 11, 2024 5:42:01 GMT thornestein said:

and some think Carsley should be manager 🤣😂🤣😂

At this point I still do. I reckon he picked the team he did to distance himself from Southgate. It failed miserably. So a different challenge arises in Helsinki.

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not for me but respect your opinion

[benjaminbiscuit]

Simon Jordan should be a fun listen this morning if hes on , he often isnt on Friday sadly 

[JoeinOz]

Oct 11, 2024 7:49:26 GMT spitthedog said:

Oct 11, 2024 0:00:07 GMT JoeinOz said:

I disagree with that mate. Greece deservedly won but it wasn't because of more effort.

I don’t know, more effort and therefore more focus. I agree with sportsman alot of those England players looked like they didn’t want to be there to me. They only switched on for the last 10 minutes and then it was all hectic and realised they had lost total control of the game.

Control is the key word. We weren't ever in control. When you're so unbalanced front to back you can't be.

[biglad180]

Oct 10, 2024 21:28:56 GMT Veritas said:

Oct 10, 2024 21:16:10 GMT liathroid said:

Greece

lets be honest they are decent club players but poor internationals, i have yet to see Fodan have what you could call a great game in a England shirt,,as for Saka he never takes is man on he gets the ball and goes backwaards, maybe people will slate me for saying this but saka,s poor in a England shirt,as for the defence its a what defence for me, we do not have a class defender,people slate Kane but without him we have no one who,scores for england on a regular basis,i honestly think we are going down bank rapid,

[crouchpotato1]

[FullerMagic]

I've gone from thinking he was a shoo-in for it to thinking he himself doesn't want it. Crazy day.

[dexter97]

With all the focus on the clueless managerial performance, there's been surprisingly little criticism of Pickford in any of the post-match stuff I've read. It was a collective failure, of course, but his howlers do deserve a special mention.

[mattythestokie]

Oct 11, 2024 8:34:22 GMT FullerMagic said:

I've gone from thinking he was a shoo-in for it to thinking he himself doesn't want it. Crazy day.

I don’t think he’s great in the media - saying that kind of thing when his name is clearly in the hat for the job is incredibly strange.

I still think Lampard might just get it.

[spiderpuss]

Oct 10, 2024 23:28:53 GMT JoeinOz said:

Oct 10, 2024 23:21:44 GMT spiderpuss said:

Trouble is they're NOT friendlies and contribute to placements and rankings in other tournaments.
We will make life tough for ourselves just because we want to experiment in this competition.

Overall there's no reason we can't experiment and win as well.

There's experiment and experiment in a bat shit crazy way. It was the latter last night. It was a shoe in for a Solanke type character, sadly we were on the strong weed.

[adri2008]

Doesn't sound Carsley wants the job long term. Not like he was paid peanuts to manage the U21s is it - £300k a year without the ridiculous levels of media intrusion and vitriol from fans who always know better. He probably prefers a quieter life.

[Gary Hackett]

Carsley knows he's out of his depth and out of his comfort zone, he doesn't want it, he's happy plodding along with the U21s

[biglad180]

we keep on how good a bunch of talented midfielders we have, but if we still had players like Gerrard ,Scholes, and Lampard to choose from , none of our current crop would take there places and that includes Bellingham

[lordb]

Oct 11, 2024 8:59:11 GMT dexter97 said:

With all the focus on the clueless managerial performance, there's been surprisingly little criticism of Pickford in any of the post-match stuff I've read. It was a collective failure, of course, but his howlers do deserve a special mention.

He's been pretty reliable for England, better than he is for Everton, but looked really wobbly last night
dearth of decent keepers out there though

[brinsleymaclagan]

Oct 11, 2024 10:38:58 GMT biglad180 said:

we keep on how good a bunch of talented midfielders we have, but if we still had players like Gerrard ,Scholes, and Lampard to choose from , none of our current crop would take there places and that includes Bellingham

Don’t you remember the debates about whether Lampard and Gerrard could play in the same team together and how to get the best out of them?

[brinsleymaclagan]

I fucking HATE “international breaks!”

[Mr_DaftBurger]

Oct 11, 2024 8:59:11 GMT dexter97 said:

With all the focus on the clueless managerial performance, there's been surprisingly little criticism of Pickford in any of the post-match stuff I've read. It was a collective failure, of course, but his howlers do deserve a special mention.

From the limited time I've seen of him playing for Everton, he seems to be slow getting down to shots. That in addition to his sloppy passing says we should be looking at an alternative, who's next off the rank?

[PotteringThrough]

We certainly missed Kane last night.

[biglad180]

Oct 11, 2024 11:26:01 GMT brinsleymaclagan said:

Oct 11, 2024 10:38:58 GMT biglad180 said:

we keep on how good a bunch of talented midfielders we have, but if we still had players like Gerrard ,Scholes, and Lampard to choose from , none of our current crop would take there places and that includes Bellingham

Don’t you remember the debates about whether Lampard and Gerrard could play in the same team together and how to get the best out of them?

i don,t forget mate i am saying they are all better midfielders than this lot,

[dirtygary69]

Oct 11, 2024 8:34:22 GMT FullerMagic said:

I've gone from thinking he was a shoo-in for it to thinking he himself doesn't want it. Crazy day.

Maybe the job isn't for everyone. He hardly strikes you as the most confident bloke so maybe coaching a load of young kids in the background is a better suit for him. He had a good playing career and has been coaching at a high enough level for years. After last night, he might have blown it anyway, but suppose that's the time to try things, but it did look like an absolute clusterfuck. 

[tqstokie]

I get bored to tears with International football with all this slow sideways and backwards stuff in our own half. The malaise is now deeply entrenched in domestic football at all levels in the football league. We could have done with all that wasted time in the end when we were chasing the game.

[J-Roar]

Oct 11, 2024 8:25:40 GMT crouchpotato1 said:

It would kill him.

[spitthedog]

The team may well have been set up poorly, but too many excuses for players who should just be able to do basics better. Too easy to throw it all at the coach.

Poor defending is poor defending. Half arsed tackles in the midfield, not tracking opposition players properly, not covering in wide positions is something that should be addressed on the pitch by the players themselves a lot of the time, not off it imo. Yes, the way the team is set up contributes but its not everything.

Some of these players get a very easy ride, when it comes to international football.

They wouldn't be getting off the hook so easily in some other countries.

[J-Roar]

Oct 11, 2024 11:50:50 GMT tqstokie said:

I get bored to tears with International football with all this slow sideways and backwards stuff in our own half. The malaise is now deeply entrenched in domestic football at all levels in the football league. We could have done with all that wasted time in the end when we were chasing the game.

The winner was down to players unable to do the simple thing of smashing the ball away. In the last few minutes of getting a scrappy draw. Still trying to retain possession in their own area.

[Pugsley]

Last night was a shambles from the get go. Mind boggling selection and tactics that the players certainly didn't believe in them. They strolled around like they couldn't be arsed. Reflected very badly on Carsley and will have irreparably damaged his chances of getting the job.

and oh, Rice is not top quality.

[LphPotter]

Oct 11, 2024 12:25:41 GMT Pugsley said:

Last night was a shambles from the get go. Mind boggling selection and tactics that the players certainly didn't believe in them. They strolled around like they couldn't be arsed. Reflected very badly on Carsley and will have irreparably damaged his chances of getting the job.

and oh, Rice is not top quality.

The main issue with Rice, as it has always been, is that he cannot control a game with the ball at all. So to basically have him as the only midfielder yesterday was never going to work.

He’s never been top quality and 100% needs a partner in there. There’s a reason why he almost never plays that role for Arsenal.

[davethebass]

Oct 11, 2024 12:25:41 GMT Pugsley said:

Last night was a shambles from the get go. Mind boggling selection and tactics that the players certainly didn't believe in them. They strolled around like they couldn't be arsed. Reflected very badly on Carsley and will have irreparably damaged his chances of getting the job.

and oh, Rice is not top quality.

It's reminding me of us against Middlesbrough. We were nailed on for relegation after that game, with players who didn't seem up for it and an out of his depth head coach. Let's see how we feel after we've won 6-0 Sunday.

[stokeson]

Oct 11, 2024 12:58:46 GMT davethebass said:

Oct 11, 2024 12:25:41 GMT Pugsley said:

Last night was a shambles from the get go. Mind boggling selection and tactics that the players certainly didn't believe in them. They strolled around like they couldn't be arsed. Reflected very badly on Carsley and will have irreparably damaged his chances of getting the job.

and oh, Rice is not top quality.

It's reminding me of us against Middlesbrough. We were nailed on for relegation after that game, with players who didn't seem up for it and an out of his depth head coach. Let's see how we feel after we've won 6-0 Sunday.

After the game Stones in the interview called him Lee not gaffer or Boss said it all to me.