England

[liathroid]

[JoeinOz]

Oct 10, 2024 21:16:10 GMT liathroid said:

A shyte defence at the other end

[lordb]

Well it was an experiment
Don't do it again,clear fail

[Veritas]

Oct 10, 2024 21:16:10 GMT liathroid said:

Greece

[lordb]

Oct 10, 2024 20:51:54 GMT chuckrocky said:

Last two games at Wembley have seen defeats to Greece and Iceland.

Southgate and Carsley are awful coaches but the players have to take a long look at themselves.

The two goals we conceded tonight are absolutely scandalous.

We beat Finland last game at Wembley although they had good chances too

[Clayton Wood]

Bored shitless after 22 mins and turned it off. Did I miss much?

[JoeinOz]

Oct 10, 2024 21:27:31 GMT lordb said:

Well it was an experiment
Don't do it again,clear fail

Agree. These are the equivalent of friendlies which are a chance to try different things. We tried it.
We now know not to play without a recognised striker.
We now know we have to have more defensive defenders to balance out the flair
We now know Harry will be hard to replace.

[jimmygscfc1234]

When two of your back 4 are TAA and Lewis, defence is low on your list of priorities. It was a total shambles and an experiment that may have cost Carsley the job. To be that cavalier is a major concern.

[kerouac]

An absolute shambles.

[Squeekster]

This is good shows that we need a manager and not Carsley!

[JoeinOz]

Oct 10, 2024 21:37:31 GMT jimmygscfc1234 said:

When two of your back 4 are TAA and Lewis, defence is low on your list of priorities. It was a total shambles and an experiment that may have cost Carsley the job. To be that cavalier is a major concern.

Agree. Remember though, the clamour has been to take the shackles off and send them out to attack and fuck everything else. This game demonstrated why that doesn't work.
The team and approach was what people have been demanding for a few years

[scfcbiancorossi]

Oct 10, 2024 20:45:09 GMT thehartshillbadger said:

I can’t wait to hear what Carsley says about that shocker. I think it’s the worst England performance I’ve ever seen, no exaggeration

2nd worst mate after Slovakia in the Euros this year.

[thehartshillbadger]

Oct 10, 2024 21:50:18 GMT scfcbiancorossi said:

Oct 10, 2024 20:45:09 GMT thehartshillbadger said:

I can’t wait to hear what Carsley says about that shocker. I think it’s the worst England performance I’ve ever seen, no exaggeration

2nd worst mate after Slovakia in the Euros this year.

It was worse than that definitely

[thisisouryear]

Oct 10, 2024 21:31:03 GMT Clayton Wood said:

Bored shitless after 22 mins and turned it off. Did I miss much?

Just the Northern lights

[maninasuitcase]

Glad I was at work.
Sadly it's in Blackburn.
Never was there a more bleaker place.

[JoeinOz]

Oct 10, 2024 21:50:50 GMT thehartshillbadger said:

Oct 10, 2024 21:50:18 GMT scfcbiancorossi said:

2nd worst mate after Slovakia in the Euros this year.

It was worse than that definitely

Scotland 1977
Norway 1981
Soviet Union 1984
Denmark 1992
Norway 1993
Usa 1993
Bulgaria 1998
Poland 1999
Romania 2000

I've stopped there. But just off the top of my head they're all worse than that today

[scfcbiancorossi]

Oct 10, 2024 21:50:50 GMT thehartshillbadger said:

Oct 10, 2024 21:50:18 GMT scfcbiancorossi said:

2nd worst mate after Slovakia in the Euros this year.

It was worse than that definitely

Nah that Slovakia performance was beyond bleak. I mean so was tonight but at least Greece had the odd championship standard player.

[cheekymatt71]

Why can't they pick a balanced team by leaving one of the so called star players out??

Not sure about Carsley now though after that non performance.

He does also need to organise the defence a bit. Seems like he doesn't bother with that part of the game at all

[blackpoolred]

I got slated on here a few years ago for daring to say our players were overhyped and the most average bunch we have had in a long time and and for stating that we are a tier 2/3 team - and yet here we are struggling in tier 2

But I have to hold my hand up and apologise and say I was proved wrong - and say Saka and Foden are amongst the best players in the world - if not the best

I'm with Redknapp, we need to cancel international football, it is shite and interrupts the proper stuff, came at a bad time for us and bet we are shite again when we return

[JoeinOz]

Oct 10, 2024 22:38:24 GMT cheekymatt71 said:

Why can't they pick a balanced team by leaving one of the so called star players out??

Not sure about Carsley now though after that non performance.

He does also need to organise the defence a bit. Seems like he doesn't bother with that part of the game at all

That was the biggest problem. An unbalanced team because defence was an afterthought.

[spiderpuss]

Oct 10, 2024 21:35:37 GMT JoeinOz said:

Oct 10, 2024 21:27:31 GMT lordb said:

Well it was an experiment
Don't do it again,clear fail

Agree. These are the equivalent of friendlies which are a chance to try different things. We tried it.
We now know not to play without a recognised striker.
We now know we have to have more defensive defenders to balance out the flair
We now know Harry will be hard to replace.

Trouble is they're NOT friendlies and contribute to placements and rankings in other tournaments.
We will make life tough for ourselves just because we want to experiment in this competition.

[JoeinOz]

Oct 10, 2024 23:21:44 GMT spiderpuss said:

Oct 10, 2024 21:35:37 GMT JoeinOz said:

Agree. These are the equivalent of friendlies which are a chance to try different things. We tried it.
We now know not to play without a recognised striker.
We now know we have to have more defensive defenders to balance out the flair
We now know Harry will be hard to replace.

Trouble is they're NOT friendlies and contribute to placements and rankings in other tournaments.
We will make life tough for ourselves just because we want to experiment in this competition.

Overall there's no reason we can't experiment and win as well.

[spitthedog]

The biggest problem for me was that the players couldn't be arsed.
Those players, at their levels and against that level of opposition should be winning that game whatever system they are playing.
The biggest difference tonight was that Greece wanted it and England players didn't. That was clear as daylight.

[JoeinOz]

Oct 10, 2024 23:58:18 GMT spitthedog said:

The biggest problem for me was that the players couldn't be arsed.
Those players, at their levels and against that level of opposition should be winning that game whatever system they are playing.
The biggest difference tonight was that Greece wanted it and England players didn't. That was clear as daylight.

I disagree with that mate. Greece deservedly won but it wasn't because of more effort.

[mrnovember]

Just got back. That was wank. Greece deserved the win, should have been by more in fairness. I love a bit of experimentation but it was clearly not working and Watkins should have been on by the half hour. Dog shit.

[sportsman]

Unless it’s tournament football these star players don’t want be there. It’s all about the club football

[adri2008]

Definitely an armchair manager selection: 'Just play our attacking players and let them worry about us instead!'

A disaster but at least it's put that experiment to bed.

[thornestein]

and some think Carsley should be manager 🤣😂🤣😂

[sportsman]

Oct 11, 2024 5:42:01 GMT thornestein said:

and some think Carsley should be manager 🤣😂🤣😂

I was just going say there were the usual clever sods on here calling for him

[JoeinOz]

Oct 11, 2024 5:42:01 GMT thornestein said:

and some think Carsley should be manager 🤣😂🤣😂

At this point I still do. I reckon he picked the team he did to distance himself from Southgate. It failed miserably. So a different challenge arises in Helsinki.