England

[thehartshillbadger]

Oct 8, 2024 20:09:50 GMT JoeinOz said:

We can assume Carso wants the job. The aimless rubbish about singing the national anthem hopefully won't materialise again.

There’s always a few oddballs Joe. I’d prefer it if there were no national anthems until someone actually wins something.

[potters11]

For me it’s only a matter of time before Carsley gets offered the job.
Quite possibly 2 good performances and wins this time out and he’ll be announced as the permanent manager before the November matches.

He’s looked the part so far so why not!?
He’s in a similar mould to Southgate but different enough to make it feel fresh.

It’s a yes from me :-)

[wakefieldstokie]

Not too fussed. Would love to see them win a trophy but suspect it will remain beyond us

[thehartshillbadger]

Oct 8, 2024 20:35:01 GMT potters11 said:

For me it’s only a matter of time before Carsley gets offered the job.
Quite possibly 2 good performances and wins this time out and he’ll be announced as the permanent manager before the November matches.

He’s looked the part so far so why not!?
He’s in a similar mould to Southgate but different enough to make it feel fresh.

It’s a yes from me :-)

Judging by his first two games I don’t think he’s similar to Southgate at all when it comes to picking teams. Hopefully he doesn’t cave in to media pressure and sticks to his principles

[JoeinOz]

Oct 8, 2024 20:37:14 GMT wakefieldstokie said:

Not too fussed. Would love to see them win a trophy but suspect it will remain beyond us

Well 2026 will be 60 years. And it certainly won't happen then. 2028 is possible. Another Euro final at Wembo?

[potters11]

Oct 8, 2024 20:38:54 GMT thehartshillbadger said:

Oct 8, 2024 20:35:01 GMT potters11 said:

For me it’s only a matter of time before Carsley gets offered the job.
Quite possibly 2 good performances and wins this time out and he’ll be announced as the permanent manager before the November matches.

He’s looked the part so far so why not!?
He’s in a similar mould to Southgate but different enough to make it feel fresh.

It’s a yes from me :-)

Judging by his first two games I don’t think he’s similar to Southgate at all when it comes to picking teams. Hopefully he doesn’t cave in to media pressure and sticks to his principles

Sorry I should have phrased it better when I said in a similar mould to Southgate I meant through the same system and in how he seems to get everyone remembering it’s England they are playing for and not their club cliques but it’s only been 1 full camp so far so it’s early days.

[thehartshillbadger]

Oct 8, 2024 20:47:28 GMT potters11 said:

Oct 8, 2024 20:38:54 GMT thehartshillbadger said:

Judging by his first two games I don’t think he’s similar to Southgate at all when it comes to picking teams. Hopefully he doesn’t cave in to media pressure and sticks to his principles

Sorry I should have phrased it better when I said in a similar mould to Southgate I meant through the same system and in how he seems to get everyone remembering it’s England they are playing for and not their club cliques but it’s only been 1 full camp so far so it’s early days.

Yep, get ya. I think the days of club managers taking on international sides are a thing of the past

[stokieinlondon]

The job will go to Pep.

He’s Catalonian so won’t want Spain.

Given the England squad now it’s his best chance to be a hero - we’re in the box seat to win something and he’ll be an all time legend if he’s the gaffer.

Mark my words, England are biding their time until they can secure Pep at the end of the domestic season.

[JoeinOz]

Oct 8, 2024 21:58:41 GMT stokieinlondon said:

The job will go to Pep.

He’s Catalonian so won’t want Spain.

Given the England squad now it’s his best chance to be a hero - we’re in the box seat to win something and he’ll be an all time legend if he’s the gaffer.

Mark my words, England are biding their time until they can secure Pep at the end of the domestic season.

Guardiola hasn't publicly confirmed he's leaving Man City. He is a firm Catalonian but he played 47 times for Spain and there's no reason why he couldn't manage them..... not that it'll be available any time soon. Guardiola would cost about 20m quid a year. Would the FA be prepared to spend that much?
It's the opposite. Carso has been a shoo in but they've waited to confirm it because he can get experience in unpressurised games and see if he even wants it.

[sportsman]

Oct 8, 2024 20:38:54 GMT thehartshillbadger said:

Oct 8, 2024 20:35:01 GMT potters11 said:

For me it’s only a matter of time before Carsley gets offered the job.
Quite possibly 2 good performances and wins this time out and he’ll be announced as the permanent manager before the November matches.

He’s looked the part so far so why not!?
He’s in a similar mould to Southgate but different enough to make it feel fresh.

It’s a yes from me :-)

Judging by his first two games I don’t think he’s similar to Southgate at all when it comes to picking teams. Hopefully he doesn’t cave in to media pressure and sticks to his principles

Media pressure of playing attacking good on the eye and using the talent at your disposal?

[sportsman]

Do I buggery want carsley. He can stay in charge until we’ve tried and explored every top manager including the likes of a pep or klopp.

[lordb]

Oct 8, 2024 21:58:41 GMT stokieinlondon said:

The job will go to Pep.

He’s Catalonian so won’t want Spain.

Given the England squad now it’s his best chance to be a hero - we’re in the box seat to win something and he’ll be an all time legend if he’s the gaffer.

Mark my words, England are biding their time until they can secure Pep at the end of the domestic season.

Agree he won't manage Spain
Not convinced he wants an international job

[lordb]

Oct 9, 2024 3:14:39 GMT sportsman said:

Do I buggery want carsley. He can stay in charge until we’ve tried and explored every top manager including the likes of a pep or klopp.

Klopp has already said no, he's said no to the Germany job too

[thisisouryear]

Feels like Carsley was always lined up for this job. He gets a few easy wins under his belt from games he is expected to win and then he gets offered the job permanently. We've played ok under him so far but he's had no real test

[lordb]

Oct 9, 2024 6:09:39 GMT thisisouryear said:

Feels like Carsley was always lined up for this job. He gets a few easy wins under his belt from games he is expected to win and then he gets offered the job permanently. We've played ok under him so far but he's had no real test

And probably won't untill the actual World Cup
Which isn't his fault of course

[J-Roar]

Oct 9, 2024 6:09:39 GMT thisisouryear said:

Feels like Carsley was always lined up for this job. He gets a few easy wins under his belt from games he is expected to win and then he gets offered the job permanently. We've played ok under him so far but he's had no real test

I thought it was always the plan - prepare the coach in the u21s and then promote from within if he was doing well.

[gaznandi]

Oct 9, 2024 5:52:16 GMT lordb said:

Oct 9, 2024 3:14:39 GMT sportsman said:

Do I buggery want carsley. He can stay in charge until we’ve tried and explored every top manager including the likes of a pep or klopp.

Klopp has already said no, he's said no to the Germany job too

Announced as Red Bulls head of global soccer, overseeing their network of clubs.

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[JoeinOz]

Oct 9, 2024 7:20:31 GMT J-Roar said:

Oct 9, 2024 6:09:39 GMT thisisouryear said:

Feels like Carsley was always lined up for this job. He gets a few easy wins under his belt from games he is expected to win and then he gets offered the job permanently. We've played ok under him so far but he's had no real test

I thought it was always the plan - prepare the coach in the u21s and then promote from within if he was doing well.

It is the plan yes. St George's Park to be a homebase for the England set up. If Carso isn't appointed you have to wonder what the point in it has been

[Clem Fandango]

Would Pep actually suit a national side? He's obviously one of those managers that has a 'philosophy' and surely that would take a bit of time to get across to a group of players who only see him for 2 weeks every few months.

[emretezzy]

I want Cole Palmer at the front and center of everything.

That's the acid test for me these games.

Don't let egos get in the way of anything.

Build the team around him.

[JoeinOz]

Oct 9, 2024 8:18:30 GMT Clem Fandango said:

Would Pep actually suit a national side? He's obviously one of those managers that has a 'philosophy' and surely that would take a bit of time to get across to a group of players who only see him for 2 weeks every few months.

That's the thing. International football has different requirements to club. Mainly less time to impose what's required on them. Look at the very good club managers who didn't make it with England. It's a different job with different demands and expectations.
Guardiola is a very intelligent man but who's to say he wouldn't get frustrated?

[thornestein]

for me if you want win anything at international level then you need a manager who used to winning things , Carsley isn’t that

[emretezzy]

Oct 9, 2024 8:27:03 GMT thornestein said:

for me if you want win anything at international level then you need a manager who used to winning things , Carsley isn’t that

Argentina (WC) and Spain (Euros) managers both hadn't had any experience of winning anything, or even managing for that matter.

It's not that I don't agree with you, but the last 4 years have proven togetherness and team cohesion is as important as a previous successful manager.

Capello was a serial winner. Didn't get close for England.

[thehartshillbadger]

Oct 9, 2024 7:48:52 GMT gaznandi said:

Oct 9, 2024 5:52:16 GMT lordb said:

Klopp has already said no, he's said no to the Germany job too

Announced as Red Bulls head of global soccer, overseeing their network of clubs.

x.com/BBCSport/status/1843915561631445283?t=3Xm8gQGN9LHipKj0c09QyA&s=19

Sounds like money for old rope

[FullerMagic]

Oct 9, 2024 8:22:29 GMT emretezzy said:

I want Cole Palmer at the front and center of everything.

That's the acid test for me these games.

Don't let egos get in the way of anything.

Build the team around him.

If you'd said a year ago that there'd be genuine shouts that Palmer is the best player in the world, people would have laughed.

But...is he?

[Vadiation_Ribe]

Oct 9, 2024 8:50:33 GMT FullerMagic said:

Oct 9, 2024 8:22:29 GMT emretezzy said:

I want Cole Palmer at the front and center of everything.

That's the acid test for me these games.

Don't let egos get in the way of anything.

Build the team around him.

If you'd said a year ago that there'd be genuine shouts that Palmer is the best player in the world, people would have laughed.

But...is he?

No. In the next year or two? Quite possibly!

[emretezzy]

Oct 9, 2024 8:50:33 GMT FullerMagic said:

Oct 9, 2024 8:22:29 GMT emretezzy said:

I want Cole Palmer at the front and center of everything.

That's the acid test for me these games.

Don't let egos get in the way of anything.

Build the team around him.

If you'd said a year ago that there'd be genuine shouts that Palmer is the best player in the world, people would have laughed.

But...is he?

He gets in every single team in the world pretty comfortably.

I also think he scores 20 plus goals for every team comfortably.

It's a fair argument to put him in the discussion at least.

[J-Roar]

Oct 9, 2024 8:30:05 GMT emretezzy said:

Oct 9, 2024 8:27:03 GMT thornestein said:

for me if you want win anything at international level then you need a manager who used to winning things , Carsley isn’t that

Argentina (WC) and Spain (Euros) managers both hadn't had any experience of winning anything, or even managing for that matter.

It's not that I don't agree with you, but the last 4 years have proven togetherness and team cohesion is as important as a previous successful manager.

Capello was a serial winner. Didn't get close for England.

And good luck finding an Englishman who meets that brief (the Daily Mail demands this, unless it's the women)

[greystokie]

Carsley will do a good job. He took the England U21's all the way in their 2023 Euro's competition so he has a good track record so he knows how to play most of the young up and coming players. Also I don't think he will feel obliged to have to continue with Harry Kane up front.

[delilahwhy]

Oct 9, 2024 8:50:33 GMT FullerMagic said:

Oct 9, 2024 8:22:29 GMT emretezzy said:

I want Cole Palmer at the front and center of everything.

That's the acid test for me these games.

Don't let egos get in the way of anything.

Build the team around him.

If you'd said a year ago that there'd be genuine shouts that Palmer is the best player in the world, people would have laughed.

But...is he?

Hes undoubtedly the best player England have right now.

Better than Foden. Better than Bellingham. Better than Saka.

Play him in the 10 role and build around him.

Its that simple for me.