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Post by milton58 on Jul 27, 2024 21:06:29 GMT
what as that got to do in what I just posted btw He was a working class white man killed by the police. why are you on about someone who was another thread not this one
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 27, 2024 21:07:45 GMT
The copper who kicked and stamped on the lad's head? It looks like he completely lost his mind. Once he stamped on the first brother, he then went over to the other brother, who had voluntarily put his hands on his head to indicate he wasn't a threat and when the out of control copper told him to kneel on the floor with his hands on his head, he immediately complied but the copper still then booted him in the bollocks. His career is over. No, what made him react that way and why were they called ? I've literally just told you, I think he reacted that way because he had lost his mind, I'm certain the vast majority of coppers wouldn't have done the same. Neither you or I know (for certain) why they were called.
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Post by knype on Jul 27, 2024 21:08:40 GMT
No, what made him react that way and why were they called ? I've literally just told you, I think he reacted that way because he had lost his mind, I'm certain the vast majority of coppers wouldn't have done the same. Neither you or I know (for certain) why they were called. But why did he lose his mind ?
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Post by metalhead on Jul 27, 2024 21:08:49 GMT
You cannot shoe someone in the head when they are disarmed and lying prone. Are you fucking off your head or something? Imagine that was your brother/father/son? He'd just been pummelled by multiple punches and then attacked from behind with more punches. Its a spur of the moment kick out fearing for their lives. I disagree. It was a "this fucking cunt just hurt me, I'm going to give it back" assault.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 27, 2024 21:10:06 GMT
You cannot shoe someone in the head when they are disarmed and lying prone. Are you fucking off your head or something? Imagine that was your brother/father/son? Live by the sword, die by the sword. Except one has a sword and the other has a machine gun. The police have significantly more power than he does. If it was a fair fight, the police would have lost, at least if the video is anything to go by.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 27, 2024 21:10:23 GMT
He was a working class white man killed by the police. why are you on about someone who was another thread not this one What are you on about? Read back to yourself, the question thst you asked, that being, would there be as much fuss, if the victim had been white? My answer, is, yes I hope so and I've given you an example to support that assertion.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 27, 2024 21:11:13 GMT
You cannot shoe someone in the head when they are disarmed and lying prone. Are you fucking off your head or something? Imagine that was your brother/father/son? Did you see the bit where the female copper gets sparked out? Imagine that was your daughter/wife/anyfuckingfemalewhatsoever. I challenge you not to react. Like I said, during in the incident he could have reacted with extreme force and basically been hailed a hero. He waited until the guy willingly got on the floor and then fucking booted him. Not the same. Sorry.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 27, 2024 21:11:22 GMT
I've literally just told you, I think he reacted that way because he had lost his mind, I'm certain the vast majority of coppers wouldn't have done the same. Neither you or I know (for certain) why they were called. But why did he lose his mind ? Neither you or I could possibly answer that question.
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Post by milton58 on Jul 27, 2024 21:12:37 GMT
Let's be honest just for once who would feel safe walking through normacott Shelton and cobridge on there own at night...I wouldn't...20 years ago I would have thought the same of say bentilee or meir sorry to those who live there...btw nothing bad intended just my view
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Post by henry on Jul 27, 2024 21:13:10 GMT
Another week and another video showing feral scum turning on the police. No doubt the family will get a spot on GMB claiming police brutality looking for some compo. Need to be sent down for years.
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Post by knype on Jul 27, 2024 21:15:41 GMT
Live by the sword, die by the sword. Except one has a sword and the other has a machine gun. The police have significantly more power than he does. If it was a fair fight, the police would have lost, at least if the video is anything to go by. That would have made you happy ? I cannot believe that you're defending scum who attacked the police like they did at an airport
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Post by knype on Jul 27, 2024 21:16:39 GMT
But why did he lose his mind ? Neither you or I could possibly answer that question. Because he was attacked ffs, and saw 2 colleagues getting beat and thrown around.
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Post by milton58 on Jul 27, 2024 21:17:51 GMT
Neither you or I could possibly answer that question. Because he was attacked ffs, and saw 2 colleagues getting beat and thrown around. that's except able in some people's eyes
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 27, 2024 21:21:31 GMT
I said most normal folk would react like that if they’d seen their colleagues attacked(especially a female) whether they’re supposed or not.Of course he shouldn’t have kicked him in the head I get that but having seen his female colleague attacked I’d imagine the red must took over. What you have done Perfect Paul?hit him with your handbag😊 Handcuffed him mate. Sounds simple but not as easy as it may seem particularly having witnessed the extreme violence the male used during the initial incident. If you’d tried to cuff him from the rear he could have kicked back at you or flicked his head back and butted you. The only reason the guy was lying prone was because he’d fallen after attacking the officer. Up till then he wasn’t for stopping with his violence. If you were a firearms officer and you were wanting to cuff him what would you have done with the gun you were holding? If you were bending down to cuff him could you be putting yourself and others at risk by having him to close to you and potentially your firearm particularly if you were on your own and other officers were dealing with others involved. There is a potential one on one he could overpower you. He may have been looking defenceless but he’s already proved he’s capable of extreme violence and you’d have to think about your safety arc whilst restraining him.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 27, 2024 21:21:58 GMT
Neither you or I could possibly answer that question. Because he was attacked ffs, and saw 2 colleagues getting beat and thrown around. Christ you're hard work. I literally just said to you (in the same post) that I don't believe that most coppers would react in the same way in the same circumstances. So if you've got (say) 5 coppers and four of those five, having experienced exactly what he experienced, WOULDN’T have stamped on his head, then the reason for him stamping on his head, is NOT due to what he experienced but rather, due to something else! Jeez ...
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Post by knype on Jul 27, 2024 21:23:10 GMT
Because he was attacked ffs, and saw 2 colleagues getting beat and thrown around. Christ you're hard work. I literally just said to you (in the same post) that I don't believe that most coppers would react in the same way in the same circumstances. So if you've got (say) 5 coppers and four of those five, having experienced exactly what he experienced, WOULDN’T have stamped on his head, then the reason for him stamping on his head, is NOT due to what he experienced but rather, due to something else! Jeez ... Yours are ifs, buts and maybes. Have you ever been attacked ?
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Post by Gods on Jul 27, 2024 21:23:21 GMT
I'm fine with the kick, the very least he deserved, we could have done without the stamp, but hey, live by the sword die by the sword.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 27, 2024 21:23:53 GMT
Sounds simple but not as easy as it may seem particularly having witnessed the extreme violence the male used during the initial incident. If you’d tried to cuff him from the rear he could have kicked back at you or flicked his head back and butted you. The only reason the guy was lying prone was because he’d fallen after attacking the officer. Up till then he wasn’t for stopping with his violence. If you were a firearms officer and you were wanting to cuff him what would you have done with the gun you were holding? If you were bending down to cuff him could you be putting yourself and others at risk by having him to close to you and potentially your firearm particularly if you were on your own and other officers were dealing with others involved? He may have been looking defenceless but he’s already proved he’s capable of extreme violence and you’d have to think about your safety arc. So you think he used the correct protocol to apprehend him then Cobs,
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Post by knype on Jul 27, 2024 21:24:49 GMT
Sounds simple but not as easy as it may seem particularly having witnessed the extreme violence the male used during the initial incident. If you’d tried to cuff him from the rear he could have kicked back at you or flicked his head back and butted you. The only reason the guy was lying prone was because he’d fallen after attacking the officer. Up till then he wasn’t for stopping with his violence. If you were a firearms officer and you were wanting to cuff him what would you have done with the gun you were holding? If you were bending down to cuff him could you be putting yourself and others at risk by having him to close to you and potentially your firearm particularly if you were on your own and other officers were dealing with others involved? He may have been looking defenceless but he’s already proved he’s capable of extreme violence and you’d have to think about your safety arc. So you think he used the correct protocol to apprehend him then Cobs, There is no perfect or correct protocol !
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 27, 2024 21:26:00 GMT
I'm fine with the kick, the very least he deserved, we could have done without the stamp, but hey, live by the sword die by the sword. Nice grenade Gods, I’m surprised you’ve heard the news I have to say😉
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 27, 2024 21:26:17 GMT
Christ you're hard work. I literally just said to you (in the same post) that I don't believe that most coppers would react in the same way in the same circumstances. So if you've got (say) 5 coppers and four of those five, having experienced exactly what he experienced, WOULDN’T have stamped on his head, then the reason for him stamping on his head, is NOT due to what he experienced but rather, due to something else! Jeez ... Yours are ifs, buts and maybes. Have you ever been attacked ? No they aren't, it's not my fault if you can't comprehend basic logic. Yes I have.
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Post by milton58 on Jul 27, 2024 21:26:27 GMT
Because he was attacked ffs, and saw 2 colleagues getting beat and thrown around. Christ you're hard work. I literally just said to you (in the same post) that I don't believe that most coppers would react in the same way in the same circumstances. So if you've got (say) 5 coppers and four of those five, having experienced exactly what he experienced, WOULDN’T have stamped on his head, then the reason for him stamping on his head, is NOT due to what he experienced but rather, due to something else! Jeez ... would this have been avoided if they didn't attack the police in the first place.a simple yes or no please
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 27, 2024 21:27:33 GMT
So you think he used the correct protocol to apprehend him then Cobs, There is no perfect or correct protocol ! There absolutely is correct protocol, nobody suggested anything is perfect.
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Post by Gods on Jul 27, 2024 21:28:41 GMT
Sounds simple but not as easy as it may seem particularly having witnessed the extreme violence the male used during the initial incident. If you’d tried to cuff him from the rear he could have kicked back at you or flicked his head back and butted you. The only reason the guy was lying prone was because he’d fallen after attacking the officer. Up till then he wasn’t for stopping with his violence. If you were a firearms officer and you were wanting to cuff him what would you have done with the gun you were holding? If you were bending down to cuff him could you be putting yourself and others at risk by having him to close to you and potentially your firearm particularly if you were on your own and other officers were dealing with others involved? He may have been looking defenceless but he’s already proved he’s capable of extreme violence and you’d have to think about your safety arc. So you think he used the correct protocol to apprehend him then Cobs, I think given the sheer number of armed police officers he had injured in his lunatic assault the officer took the view someone had to clean him out, and that's what he did. He would have been shot dead in countries where they have robust policing.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 27, 2024 21:28:54 GMT
Sounds simple but not as easy as it may seem particularly having witnessed the extreme violence the male used during the initial incident. If you’d tried to cuff him from the rear he could have kicked back at you or flicked his head back and butted you. The only reason the guy was lying prone was because he’d fallen after attacking the officer. Up till then he wasn’t for stopping with his violence. If you were a firearms officer and you were wanting to cuff him what would you have done with the gun you were holding? If you were bending down to cuff him could you be putting yourself and others at risk by having him to close to you and potentially your firearm particularly if you were on your own and other officers were dealing with others involved? He may have been looking defenceless but he’s already proved he’s capable of extreme violence and you’d have to think about your safety arc. So you think he used the correct protocol to apprehend him then Cobs, That’s not what we’re discussing. I was simply suggesting how handcuffing someone isn’t as simple as it may come across. There are lots of factors to consider.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 27, 2024 21:30:15 GMT
Christ you're hard work. I literally just said to you (in the same post) that I don't believe that most coppers would react in the same way in the same circumstances. So if you've got (say) 5 coppers and four of those five, having experienced exactly what he experienced, WOULDN’T have stamped on his head, then the reason for him stamping on his head, is NOT due to what he experienced but rather, due to something else! Jeez ... would this have been avoided if they didn't attack the police in the first place.a simple yes or no please Of course it would but what's that got do with what we're actually discussing? If people didn't break the law, then we wouldn't need any police at all, would we? End of thread. 🙄
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Post by henry on Jul 27, 2024 21:31:41 GMT
Sounds simple but not as easy as it may seem particularly having witnessed the extreme violence the male used during the initial incident. If you’d tried to cuff him from the rear he could have kicked back at you or flicked his head back and butted you. The only reason the guy was lying prone was because he’d fallen after attacking the officer. Up till then he wasn’t for stopping with his violence. If you were a firearms officer and you were wanting to cuff him what would you have done with the gun you were holding? If you were bending down to cuff him could you be putting yourself and others at risk by having him to close to you and potentially your firearm particularly if you were on your own and other officers were dealing with others involved? He may have been looking defenceless but he’s already proved he’s capable of extreme violence and you’d have to think about your safety arc. So you think he used the correct protocol to apprehend him then Cobs, He did what was right to get the situation under control. The officer in question should be fully exonerated. If someone dicks about in an airport then they are lucky not to be shot. My overriding feeling is - fuck em.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 27, 2024 21:31:44 GMT
So you think he used the correct protocol to apprehend him then Cobs, That’s not what we’re discussing. I was simply suggesting how handcuffing someone isn’t as simple as it may come across. There are lots of factors to consider. I think he could have Handcuffed him. What would you have done Cobs?
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Post by milton58 on Jul 27, 2024 21:32:50 GMT
Ok then if some people were attacking people who you work with or you are close to...what would you do....try talking to them or what else
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 27, 2024 21:35:38 GMT
So you think he used the correct protocol to apprehend him then Cobs, He did what was right to get the situation under control. The officer in question should be fully exonerated. If someone dicks about in an airport then they are lucky not to be shot. My overriding feeling is - fuck em. It looked like the situation WAS under control. Brother 1 was flat out, face down on the floor and brother 2 was sat on the seat with his hands on his head. If he was still worried the situation wasn't under control, he could have withdrawn his firearm and told the lad not to move until his colleagues had cuffed him.
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