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Post by sticky on Jul 27, 2024 18:11:03 GMT
So in short, the coppers out of order, and the family are full of shit. That solicitor should know better as well
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 27, 2024 18:12:12 GMT
So in short, the coppers out of order, and the family are full of shit. That solicitor should know better as well In a nutshell
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Post by metalhead on Jul 27, 2024 18:12:28 GMT
You're on the money. The two men involved should be sent to jail. I often joke about police vindictively using the 'assaulted a police officer' spiel to put away people they just don't like but this was a genuine case of a very vicious assault. It does not give him the right to shoe him in the head though. Might be a case of a criminal being sent to jail while receiving compensation in parallel. Who pays for that? I'm guessing me and you.... Your last paragraph there is an example of the ridulous situation this country finds itself in. Compensating criminals. He shouldn’t get a penny and should be sent to prison for a lengthy term. The officer should be dealt with, I imagine he will be dismissed and probably charged with ABH If there's any justice, that will be the outcome. The two young lads will be spending a lengthy time in jail and the police officer will face a disciplinary with termination of employment, followed by a criminal prosecution where a jury of his peers decide whether he is guilty of a serious assault. Perhaps they'll all go to the same jail and pick up where they left off?
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Post by sticky on Jul 27, 2024 18:13:37 GMT
What about the bit in between the guy being floored and when the police officer started kicking him. Wonder what went on? At the end of the footage it looks like what could be the handle of a revolver on the floor. Something can be seen falling from the officers body towards the end of the footage. If it is and the guy made a reach for it then the officer would have had to react quickly to prevent carnage. These were armed response officers I believe. View AttachmentYou're grasping at straws now mate. If that's a gun, I'll genuinely piss myself and hold my hands up while I'm at it. It's not a gun, is it? Get in the real world. It was two dickheads who were actually kind of handy. kind of handy? Looked like a cowardly attack on a woman and punching the copper from behind. Should be a long spell In prison for that. Won’t hold my breath
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Post by metalhead on Jul 27, 2024 18:14:10 GMT
So in short, the coppers out of order, and the family are full of shit. That solicitor should know better as well The solicitor is a twat as well... yes
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 27, 2024 18:15:44 GMT
So in short, the coppers out of order, and the family are full of shit. That solicitor should know better as well The solicitor is a twat as well... yes He should be in court aswell for inciting the scenes we saw at Rochdale police station
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Post by metalhead on Jul 27, 2024 18:17:30 GMT
You're grasping at straws now mate. If that's a gun, I'll genuinely piss myself and hold my hands up while I'm at it. It's not a gun, is it? Get in the real world. It was two dickheads who were actually kind of handy. kind of handy? Looked like a cowardly attack on a woman and punching the copper from behind. Should be a long spell In prison for that. Won’t hold my breath Well, three officers took a pasting from two lads - one of them happened to be a female. You can call it cowardly (and I don't disagree - it was) but the reality is, the police were flat footed, got pasted and that's the reason the copper lost his cool, decided (albeit after the situation was over), that it was time to enact some revenge by kicking him in the head. The two men and that copper are in the wrong. The two other police are exonerated and should be praised.
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Post by wannabee on Jul 27, 2024 18:18:00 GMT
Two wrongs don’t make a right n all that and the officer ought to be punished appropriately. However, calls of racism by their so called solicitor is so wide of the mark and these men should face a lengthy jail term. Whether they’ll get one well that’s for another thread. Fair comments all round For me this raises as many questions as answers It looks like the 3 Police Officers walked casually over to Brother 1 at what looks like a Parking Pay Machine It also looks like his arms go behind him Voluntarily or otherwise. Brother 1 then decides to kick off and is bundled away by 2 off the Police Officers and he sits down on a chair whereupon Female Officer 1 decides to spray him to encourage him to get on the ground. Meanwhile Brother 2 has decided to join in to try and release Brother 1 and a flailing Right Arm is presumably how Female Officer 2 received a Broken Nose. Then the Male Officer grapples with Brother 2 and they hit the ground whereupon Brother 2 looks like he gets knocked out cold before the Kicking Officer enters the scene Anyone else with better eyesight than me? Of course there were 4 people arrested so we still don't have a complete picture of why the other two were arrested It just goes to show how something can easily escalate out of control
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 27, 2024 18:18:11 GMT
What about the bit in between the guy being floored and when the police officer started kicking him. Wonder what went on? At the end of the footage it looks like what could be the handle of a revolver on the floor. Something can be seen falling from the officers body towards the end of the footage. If it is and the guy made a reach for it then the officer would have had to react quickly to prevent carnage. These were armed response officers I believe. View AttachmentYou're grasping at straws now mate. If that's a gun, I'll genuinely piss myself and hold my hands up while I'm at it. It's not a gun, is it? Get in the real world. It was two dickheads who were actually kind of handy. Not grasping at straws at all. If you watch the footage closely something definitely falls to the ground from the police officers body and ends up as I’ve pointed out. I’m just speculating like everyone else is and sorry it doesn’t fit your agenda if it is as I have speculated.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 27, 2024 18:19:00 GMT
You're grasping at straws now mate. If that's a gun, I'll genuinely piss myself and hold my hands up while I'm at it. It's not a gun, is it? Get in the real world. It was two dickheads who were actually kind of handy. Not grasping at straws at all. If you watch the footage closely something definitely falls to the ground from the police officers body and ends up as I’ve pointed out. I’m just speculating like everyone else is and sorry it doesn’t fit your agenda if it is as I have speculated. I really don't have an agenda mate. I just don't agree that you can kick someone in the fucking head while they are faced down on the floor. Copper, no copper. You can't do that.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 27, 2024 18:20:15 GMT
The solicitor is a twat as well... yes He should be in court aswell for inciting the scenes we saw at Rochdale police station There's an element of the Johnnie Cochran about the card he's playing. I think he's hoping that if he can whip up enough racial undertones and play it out very visibly in the media as though it's some sort of civil rights issue, the two men might get off. Suppose it worked for Cochran... I doubt it'll work here though.
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Post by sticky on Jul 27, 2024 18:27:07 GMT
kind of handy? Looked like a cowardly attack on a woman and punching the copper from behind. Should be a long spell In prison for that. Won’t hold my breath Well, three officers took a pasting from two lads - one of them happened to be a female. You can call it cowardly (and I don't disagree - it was) but the reality is, the police were flat footed, got pasted and that's the reason the copper lost his cool, decided (albeit after the situation was over), that it was time to enact some revenge by kicking him in the head. The two men and that copper are in the wrong. The two other police are exonerated and should be praised. oh I agree with most of that, I suppose they don’t expect the attack (which is worrying) and I’d be called sexist if I said 3 blokes would of dealt with it better… I can’t imagine that’s the first crime them peaceful lads ever committed either. The staged sitting on a settee with their police officer brother, and the afraid to go out the house bollocks has caused know end of shit.
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Post by wannabee on Jul 27, 2024 18:30:26 GMT
So in short, the coppers out of order, and the family are full of shit. That solicitor should know better as well The solicitor is a twat as well... yes The Lawyer is a scumbag with form for being investigated for making false racism claims However reported in the Mail of all places is the the Bothers Mother was on a flight from Pakistan and was either allegedly Racially abused on the Plane or in Terminal. Apparently she pointed out who to the brothers when she exited. I'm speculating but I suspect there was an initial fracas between the 2 Brothers and the other 2 unnamed people arrested. The Brothers wandered off after whatever happened and the Police went looking for them thinking it would be a routine detention to sort out what had happened. The rest is history Shoot me if I'm wrong
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Jul 27, 2024 18:39:23 GMT
Suppose it depends what side of the fence you're on. The police officers were extremely flat footed and took an absolute pasting but once that lad was on the floor, the situation was basically over. If he kicked him in the head mid-fight, you could argue it was heat of the moment, self-defence, attempting to immobilize a very violent young man etc. What actually happened... three police got fucking battered by two very violent young men and then as they retreated and surrendered, one officer decides to settle the fucking score and lets them have it. Sorry but the officer is still in the wrong. This isn't fucking Orgreave. This shit isn't acceptable anymore (not that it ever was). If it was a drunk lad on a night out, this thread would have taken a very different direction. The other two are completely exonerated and deserve praise for putting themselves into an utterly horrific situation and keeping their nerve. What about the bit in between the guy being floored and when the police officer started kicking him. Wonder what went on? At the end of the footage it looks like what could be the handle of a revolver on the floor. Something can be seen falling from the officers body towards the end of the footage. If it is and the guy made a reach for it then the officer would have had to react quickly to prevent carnage. These were armed response officers I believe. View AttachmentUnlike on the Twitter clip the bit in-between is shown on the footage on the link Metalhead posted: www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/new-manchester-airport-video-shows-29625111
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Post by gawa on Jul 27, 2024 18:43:18 GMT
Where's my popcorn 🍿
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Jul 27, 2024 18:44:49 GMT
Two wrongs don’t make a right n all that and the officer ought to be punished appropriately. However, calls of racism by their so called solicitor is so wide of the mark and these men should face a lengthy jail term. Whether they’ll get one well that’s for another thread. Fair comments all round For me this raises as many questions as answers It looks like the 3 Police Officers walked casually over to Brother 1 at what looks like a Parking Pay Machine It also looks like his arms go behind him Voluntarily or otherwise. Brother 1 then decides to kick off and is bundled away by 2 off the Police Officers and he sits down on a chair whereupon Female Officer 1 decides to spray him to encourage him to get on the ground. Meanwhile Brother 2 has decided to join in to try and release Brother 1 and a flailing Right Arm is presumably how Female Officer 2 received a Broken Nose. Then the Male Officer grapples with Brother 2 and they hit the ground whereupon Brother 2 looks like he gets knocked out cold before the Kicking Officer enters the scene Anyone else with better eyesight than me? Of course there were 4 people arrested so we still don't have a complete picture of why the other two were arrested It just goes to show how something can easily escalate out of control To my eyes it looks like Brother 2 is not so much knocked out but is tasered by Female Officer 1.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2024 18:48:06 GMT
Here we go,the bits we didn’t see🤔surprise surprise I fucking knew it They were never going to have gone in for no reason, were they? The issue isn’t about whether the twat deserved to be arrested, it’s about whether it was necessary to stamp on his head once he was down and no longer a threat.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 27, 2024 18:52:50 GMT
Not grasping at straws at all. If you watch the footage closely something definitely falls to the ground from the police officers body and ends up as I’ve pointed out. I’m just speculating like everyone else is and sorry it doesn’t fit your agenda if it is as I have speculated. I really don't have an agenda mate. I just don't agree that you can kick someone in the fucking head while they are faced down on the floor. Copper, no copper. You can't do that. Ok apologies but consider the scenario of a gun fallen to the ground, as it appears it may be, and the guy on the ground within arms reach of a firearm then what is the officer supposed to do to prevent this thug from grabbing the gun and shooting it? It then becomes a heat of the moment reaction doesn’t it? Just trying to put a bit of a spin of why the officer did what he did on it.
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Post by sticky on Jul 27, 2024 18:53:31 GMT
They were never going to have gone in for no reason, were they? The issue isn’t about whether the twat deserved to be arrested, it’s about whether it was necessary to stamp on his head once he was down and no longer a threat. you’re right, and the copper that kicked him in the head should be dealt with accordingly, but also the family and solicitor have lied/manipulated the situation and have inflamed tensions, everyone knew it was bullshit (well not everybody) but most
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Post by knype on Jul 27, 2024 19:23:43 GMT
Here we go,the bits we didn’t see🤔surprise surprise Suppose it depends what side of the fence you're on. The police officers were extremely flat footed and took an absolute pasting but once that lad was on the floor, the situation was basically over. If he kicked him in the head mid-fight, you could argue it was heat of the moment, self-defence, attempting to immobilize a very violent young man etc. What actually happened... three police got fucking battered by two very violent young men and then as they retreated and surrendered, one officer decides to settle the fucking score and lets them have it. Sorry but the officer is still in the wrong. This isn't fucking Orgreave. This shit isn't acceptable anymore (not that it ever was). If it was a drunk lad on a night out, this thread would have taken a very different direction. The other two are completely exonerated and deserve praise for putting themselves into an utterly horrific situation and keeping their nerve. What a load of shit
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Post by knype on Jul 27, 2024 19:25:25 GMT
Dear, oh dear. The rest of the tossers who supported the brothers backtracked off ?
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Post by metalhead on Jul 27, 2024 19:25:35 GMT
I really don't have an agenda mate. I just don't agree that you can kick someone in the fucking head while they are faced down on the floor. Copper, no copper. You can't do that. Ok apologies but consider the scenario of a gun fallen to the ground, as it appears it may be, and the guy on the ground within arms reach of a firearm then what is the officer supposed to do to prevent this thug from grabbing the gun and shooting it? It then becomes a heat of the moment reaction doesn’t it? Just trying to put a bit of a spin of why the officer did what he did on it. Earlier in the thread, I made concessions for said possibility. It is about the only reason you could justify his actions but I'm just not convinced. As wannabee said, these guys were supposedly on a flight a few hours earlier. Are we now suggesting they carried a handgun on the plane? It was shit coppering. Police brutality.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 27, 2024 19:25:57 GMT
Suppose it depends what side of the fence you're on. The police officers were extremely flat footed and took an absolute pasting but once that lad was on the floor, the situation was basically over. If he kicked him in the head mid-fight, you could argue it was heat of the moment, self-defence, attempting to immobilize a very violent young man etc. What actually happened... three police got fucking battered by two very violent young men and then as they retreated and surrendered, one officer decides to settle the fucking score and lets them have it. Sorry but the officer is still in the wrong. This isn't fucking Orgreave. This shit isn't acceptable anymore (not that it ever was). If it was a drunk lad on a night out, this thread would have taken a very different direction. The other two are completely exonerated and deserve praise for putting themselves into an utterly horrific situation and keeping their nerve. What a load of shit Great comeback bro.
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Post by knype on Jul 27, 2024 19:26:47 GMT
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Post by knype on Jul 27, 2024 19:27:55 GMT
Ok apologies but consider the scenario of a gun fallen to the ground, as it appears it may be, and the guy on the ground within arms reach of a firearm then what is the officer supposed to do to prevent this thug from grabbing the gun and shooting it? It then becomes a heat of the moment reaction doesn’t it? Just trying to put a bit of a spin of why the officer did what he did on it. Earlier in the thread, I made concessions for said possibility. It is about the only reason you could justify his actions but I'm just not convinced. As wannabee said, these guys were supposedly on a flight a few hours earlier. Are we now suggesting they carried a handgun on the plane? It was shit coppering. Police brutality. There are none so blind as those who will not see !
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Post by metalhead on Jul 27, 2024 19:32:21 GMT
It's actually my subjective opinion... Just like you have yours. I suggest Googling the definition of the word fact.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 27, 2024 19:35:58 GMT
Ok apologies but consider the scenario of a gun fallen to the ground, as it appears it may be, and the guy on the ground within arms reach of a firearm then what is the officer supposed to do to prevent this thug from grabbing the gun and shooting it? It then becomes a heat of the moment reaction doesn’t it? Just trying to put a bit of a spin of why the officer did what he did on it. Earlier in the thread, I made concessions for said possibility. It is about the only reason you could justify his actions but I'm just not convinced. As wannabee said, these guys were supposedly on a flight a few hours earlier. Are we now suggesting they carried a handgun on the plane? It was shit coppering. Police brutality. I didn’t suggest these thugs were carrying guns at all, read what I said. What the video shows is the possibility that a police officers gun fell from his body, landed on the floor and was in arms reach of the thug on the deck. Look at the video with that in mind and you’ll see what I mean. As you say the only scenario that would possibly justify the police officers action to prevent him getting the gun. I could well be wrong but it’s just another speculation on why this happened.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 27, 2024 19:39:16 GMT
Earlier in the thread, I made concessions for said possibility. It is about the only reason you could justify his actions but I'm just not convinced. As wannabee said, these guys were supposedly on a flight a few hours earlier. Are we now suggesting they carried a handgun on the plane? It was shit coppering. Police brutality. I didn’t suggest these thugs were carrying guns at all, read what I said. What the video shows is the possibility that a police officers gun fell from his body, landed on the floor and was in arms reach of the thug on the deck. Look at the video with that in mind and you’ll see what I mean. As you say the only scenario that would possibly justify the police officers action to prevent him getting the gun. I could well be wrong but it’s just another speculation on why this happened. Aren't the guns supposed to be holstered?
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Post by mrnovember on Jul 27, 2024 19:39:25 GMT
They were never going to have gone in for no reason, were they? The issue isn’t about whether the twat deserved to be arrested, it’s about whether it was necessary to stamp on his head once he was down and no longer a threat. Come off it lad. The Muslim community and thier cuckolds have been trying to paint a picture of racism. Fact is it's two sets of violent cunts. And I, for one, do not admonish the copper like so many have. If I witnessed a female colleague getting one bombed, I'd absolutely take the opportunity to volley the attacker square in the conk. Fuck them. I'd regret it later but fuck it.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 27, 2024 19:39:41 GMT
Suppose it depends what side of the fence you're on. The police officers were extremely flat footed and took an absolute pasting but once that lad was on the floor, the situation was basically over. If he kicked him in the head mid-fight, you could argue it was heat of the moment, self-defence, attempting to immobilize a very violent young man etc. What actually happened... three police got fucking battered by two very violent young men and then as they retreated and surrendered, one officer decides to settle the fucking score and lets them have it. Sorry but the officer is still in the wrong. This isn't fucking Orgreave. This shit isn't acceptable anymore (not that it ever was). If it was a drunk lad on a night out, this thread would have taken a very different direction. The other two are completely exonerated and deserve praise for putting themselves into an utterly horrific situation and keeping their nerve. What a load of shit What is a 'load of shit'? Can you not even an articulate a coherent reply to what metalhead has said? There is NOTHING absolutely nothing in that video to justify the copper kicking the bloke in the head and then stamping on his head. If you believe there is, please explain to us what it is.
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