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Post by metalhead on Jul 26, 2024 19:20:20 GMT
He may well be due it. You cannot kick someone in the head while they are on the deck. You just cannot do that. Copper, no copper. Not acceptable. Why are people trying to fucking justify it? Its not a justification I'm interested in it's more a full understanding of why a copper, who plainly knows he's being filmed, given where he is and owing to everyone having a recording device on them, would do something so blatantly wrong. My inner cynic says something serious has rattled him. But it could be as simple as just a thick copper with life threatening anger issues. Who knows the reasons? Inadequate training? Panicked under pressure? He's a bad apple? He's supposedly trained for these situations. He's fucked up royally though. I'll keep saying it.... You cannot kick someone lying on the floor in the head. No civilized society would accept it. If we want to resort to barbarism then we're seriously going downhill.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 26, 2024 19:24:29 GMT
He may well be due it. You cannot kick someone in the head while they are on the deck. You just cannot do that. Copper, no copper. Not acceptable. Why are people trying to fucking justify it? No-one is trying to justify it that I can see but many have tried, convicted and sentenced the police officer. It appears to be a fast moving incident, three police officers already punched to the ground another with a broken nose, maybe concerns it could be terror related, man on the ground on his front with his arms close to his side. Or the policeman has a case of red mist and is a thug in uniform, nobody knows at this point. Let's see what comes out in the wash. I've not convicted him, I'll let a jury of his peers do that. He's bang to rights. You cannot kick someone in the head while they are lay flat out on the deck. It evidently wasn't terror related. It was three horrible cunts acting like horrible cunts towards other passengers. You cannot kick him in the head. The guy was effectively disarmed by the time he kicked him.
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Post by numpty40 on Jul 26, 2024 19:27:49 GMT
No-one is trying to justify it that I can see but many have tried, convicted and sentenced the police officer. It appears to be a fast moving incident, three police officers already punched to the ground another with a broken nose, maybe concerns it could be terror related, man on the ground on his front with his arms close to his side. Or the policeman has a case of red mist and is a thug in uniform, nobody knows at this point. Let's see what comes out in the wash. I've not convicted him, I'll let a jury of his peers do that. He's bang to rights. You cannot kick someone in the head while they are lay flat out on the deck. It evidently wasn't terror related. It was three horrible cunts acting like horrible cunts towards other passengers. You cannot kick him in the head. The guy was effectively disarmed by the time he kicked him. Bang to rights sounds a tad like you've convicted him.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 26, 2024 19:28:40 GMT
No-one is trying to justify it that I can see but many have tried, convicted and sentenced the police officer. It appears to be a fast moving incident, three police officers already punched to the ground another with a broken nose, maybe concerns it could be terror related, man on the ground on his front with his arms close to his side. Or the policeman has a case of red mist and is a thug in uniform, nobody knows at this point. Let's see what comes out in the wash. I've not convicted him, I'll let a jury of his peers do that. He's bang to rights. You cannot kick someone in the head while they are lay flat out on the deck. It evidently wasn't terror related. It was three horrible cunts acting like horrible cunts towards other passengers. You cannot kick him in the head. The guy was effectively disarmed by the time he kicked him. Essentially think this is the correct view. But, and it’s a big but, these people are attempting to milk the system and of course they’ll get what they want out of it in the end. The officer should be sacked in my opinion but the reaction is everything that’s wrong with todays society, inciting racial division.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 26, 2024 19:28:48 GMT
Anyone flying from Manchester tomorrow? The only officer who needs suspending is the one who kicked him in the head. Not sure why the others are involved in any condemnation.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 26, 2024 19:33:39 GMT
I've not convicted him, I'll let a jury of his peers do that. He's bang to rights. You cannot kick someone in the head while they are lay flat out on the deck. It evidently wasn't terror related. It was three horrible cunts acting like horrible cunts towards other passengers. You cannot kick him in the head. The guy was effectively disarmed by the time he kicked him. Bang to rights sounds a tad like you've convicted him. I don't have the power to convict him. Like I said, that's for a jury. I have two eyes and a functioning brain though and anyone with the correct combination of the three should be able to deduce from that footage that the police officer involved has committed a fairly awful crime. I'll await the rest of the details. If it turns out that the guy was grabbing the gun, say 4 seconds earlier and the officer needed to literally immobilize the man.... Perhaps, just perhaps, I'll soften my view. As it stands though, it looks like a scrap that got out of control and a copper who unleashed a vicious attack on a completely prone man. I'll let the jury decide. They'll see all the evidence.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 26, 2024 19:34:15 GMT
Anyone flying from Manchester tomorrow? The only officer who needs suspending is the one who kicked him in the head. Not sure why the others are involved in any condemnation. Fair comment. The view re blaming all that attended is irrational.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 26, 2024 19:42:22 GMT
The only officer who needs suspending is the one who kicked him in the head. Not sure why the others are involved in any condemnation. Fair comment. The view re blaming all that attended is irrational. They must have all kicked a criminal in the head, that’s the only explanation
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Post by cdf on Jul 27, 2024 9:14:00 GMT
Looks like it all might kick off in London at around lunch time today. You have got Tommy Robinson encouraging everyone to turn up at a meeting point in London at 12pm for a “peaceful” protest.
Then you have the family of the lads that have been attacked at Manchester airport encouraging people to turn up in London urging people to protest against whatever Tommy Robinson gone into London for
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 27, 2024 9:37:39 GMT
Looks like it all might kick off in London at around lunch time today. You have got Tommy Robinson encouraging everyone to turn up at a meeting point in London at 12pm for a “peaceful” protest. Then you have the family of the lads that have been attacked at Manchester airport encouraging people to turn up in London urging people to protest against whatever Tommy Robinson gone into London for What a ridiculous situation. I think i’ll just watch the Olympics.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2024 11:23:12 GMT
Looks like it all might kick off in London at around lunch time today. You have got Tommy Robinson encouraging everyone to turn up at a meeting point in London at 12pm for a “peaceful” protest. Then you have the family of the lads that have been attacked at Manchester airport encouraging people to turn up in London urging people to protest against whatever Tommy Robinson gone into London for What a ridiculous situation. I think i’ll just watch the Olympics. The only change that comes of these protests is that Tommy gets more followers and bigger advertising deals, while his followers/detractors gets criminal records that directly affect the rest of their lives.
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Post by ian57 on Jul 27, 2024 11:37:59 GMT
What a ridiculous situation. I think i’ll just watch the Olympics. The only change that comes of these protests is that Tommy gets more followers and bigger advertising deals, while his followers/detractors gets criminal records that directly affect the rest of their lives. He should be a politician with that sort of cunning agenda.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2024 13:01:30 GMT
The only change that comes of these protests is that Tommy gets more followers and bigger advertising deals, while his followers/detractors gets criminal records that directly affect the rest of their lives. He should be a politician with that sort of cunning agenda. I don’t think it’s particularly “cunning”. It’s just the way the world works. He’s an influencer. The more news reports he has, the more people traffic to his page. The more hits his page gets, the more he gets paid.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 27, 2024 13:35:09 GMT
Nope, not racist at all ...
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Post by gawa on Jul 27, 2024 13:38:48 GMT
Good to see the knights templar calling Tommy out for what he is. Drug addict paid agent. The right starting to cotton on.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 27, 2024 15:21:56 GMT
Feels like it's rapidly escalating... Arrests already.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2024 15:23:54 GMT
Feels like it's rapidly escalating... Arrests already. People should just ignore them. They’d go out, get wankered, have their little march and then sod off back home. The counter protesters are what make these marches successful. Without them, there wouldn’t be the opportunity for groups of grown men to scream bile at each other, they’d be bored and not bother next time. Apathy is the way to dispel this nonsense.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 27, 2024 17:18:58 GMT
As predicted, two thugs violently attacked three police officers www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/new-manchester-airport-video-shows-29625111Not terrorism. Not even remotely terror related. Just two absolute cunts who fancied a scrap. Therefore my point stands.... You cannot kick him while he's flat out on the floor. He was effectively disarmed at that point. The threat was dealt with and the situation was basically over. This was yet another case of of a nasty vindictive police officer clearly wanting to let him know who's boss after being humiliated. The three coppers took a bit of pasting, if we're being honest... Up until they pulled out tasers anyway.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 27, 2024 17:24:13 GMT
Here we go,the bits we didn’t see🤔surprise surprise
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Post by mrnovember on Jul 27, 2024 17:34:08 GMT
Here we go,the bits we didn’t see🤔surprise surprise I fucking knew it
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Post by metalhead on Jul 27, 2024 17:34:16 GMT
Here we go,the bits we didn’t see🤔surprise surprise Suppose it depends what side of the fence you're on. The police officers were extremely flat footed and took an absolute pasting but once that lad was on the floor, the situation was basically over. If he kicked him in the head mid-fight, you could argue it was heat of the moment, self-defence, attempting to immobilize a very violent young man etc. What actually happened... three police got fucking battered by two very violent young men and then as they retreated and surrendered, one officer decides to settle the fucking score and lets them have it. Sorry but the officer is still in the wrong. This isn't fucking Orgreave. This shit isn't acceptable anymore (not that it ever was). If it was a drunk lad on a night out, this thread would have taken a very different direction. The other two are completely exonerated and deserve praise for putting themselves into an utterly horrific situation and keeping their nerve.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 27, 2024 17:35:54 GMT
Here we go,the bits we didn’t see🤔surprise surprise I fucking knew it No surprise to anyone mate,utter vermin
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 27, 2024 17:47:21 GMT
Two wrongs don’t make a right n all that and the officer ought to be punished appropriately. However, calls of racism by their so called solicitor is so wide of the mark and these men should face a lengthy jail term. Whether they’ll get one well that’s for another thread.
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Jul 27, 2024 17:52:11 GMT
As in the Dalian Atkinson case a serving PC has no business kicking a person who's unconscious or lying prostrate on the floor in the head.That's not self- defense,that's administering a bit of pay-back.
They're trained to be better than that,even faced with provocation,which there was to a significant level in this case.Props to the two PC's who conducted themselves commendably after getting chinned.
Likewise the weekend offender wannabe and is hulkish mate have no business lamping serving PC's in the face,particularly a female,or resisting arrest.
Hopefully both offending parties receive the punishments they deserve.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 27, 2024 17:54:49 GMT
Two wrongs don’t make a right n all that and the officer ought to be punished appropriately. However, calls of racism by their so called solicitor is so wide of the mark and these men should face a lengthy jail term. Whether they’ll get one well that’s for another thread. You're on the money. The two men involved should be sent to jail. I often joke about police vindictively using the 'assaulted a police officer' spiel to put away people they just don't like but this was a genuine case of a very vicious assault. It does not give him the right to shoe him in the head though. Might be a case of a criminal being sent to jail while receiving compensation in parallel. Who pays for that? I'm guessing me and you....
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 27, 2024 17:55:43 GMT
As in the Dalian Atkinson case a serving PC has no business kicking a person who's unconscious or lying prostrate on the floor in the head.That's not self- defense,that's administering a bit of pay-back. They're trained to be better than that,even faced with provocation,which there was to a significant level in this case.Props to the two PC's who conducted themselves commendably after getting chinned. Likewise the weekend offender wannabe and is hulkish mate have no business lamping serving PC's in the face,particularly a female,or resisting arrest. Hopefully both offending parties receive the punishments they deserve. That’s all there is to it really. The word Racism is used far too much by people who want to insight violence and hatred and it’s got to stop
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 27, 2024 17:58:53 GMT
Here we go,the bits we didn’t see🤔surprise surprise Suppose it depends what side of the fence you're on. The police officers were extremely flat footed and took an absolute pasting but once that lad was on the floor, the situation was basically over. If he kicked him in the head mid-fight, you could argue it was heat of the moment, self-defence, attempting to immobilize a very violent young man etc. What actually happened... three police got fucking battered by two very violent young men and then as they retreated and surrendered, one officer decides to settle the fucking score and lets them have it. Sorry but the officer is still in the wrong. This isn't fucking Orgreave. This shit isn't acceptable anymore (not that it ever was). If it was a drunk lad on a night out, this thread would have taken a very different direction. The other two are completely exonerated and deserve praise for putting themselves into an utterly horrific situation and keeping their nerve. What about the bit in between the guy being floored and when the police officer started kicking him. Wonder what went on? At the end of the footage it looks like what could be the handle of a revolver on the floor. Something can be seen falling from the officers body towards the end of the footage. If it is and the guy made a reach for it then the officer would have had to react quickly to prevent carnage. These were armed response officers I believe. ![](//storage.proboards.com/800541/thumbnailer/YOoTyxvZIckLCrTLFtOC.png)
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 27, 2024 17:59:46 GMT
Two wrongs don’t make a right n all that and the officer ought to be punished appropriately. However, calls of racism by their so called solicitor is so wide of the mark and these men should face a lengthy jail term. Whether they’ll get one well that’s for another thread. You're on the money. The two men involved should be sent to jail. I often joke about police vindictively using the 'assaulted a police officer' spiel to put away people they just don't like but this was a genuine case of a very vicious assault. It does not give him the right to shoe him in the head though. Might be a case of a criminal being sent to jail while receiving compensation in parallel. Who pays for that? I'm guessing me and you.... Your last paragraph there is an example of the ridulous situation this country finds itself in. Compensating criminals. He shouldn’t get a penny and should be sent to prison for a lengthy term. The officer should be dealt with, I imagine he will be dismissed and probably charged with ABH
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Post by metalhead on Jul 27, 2024 18:09:16 GMT
As in the Dalian Atkinson case a serving PC has no business kicking a person who's unconscious or lying prostrate on the floor in the head.That's not self- defense,that's administering a bit of pay-back. They're trained to be better than that,even faced with provocation,which there was to a significant level in this case.Props to the two PC's who conducted themselves commendably after getting chinned. Likewise the weekend offender wannabe and is hulkish mate have no business lamping serving PC's in the face,particularly a female,or resisting arrest. Hopefully both offending parties receive the punishments they deserve. That’s all there is to it really. The word Racism is used far too much by people who want to insight violence and hatred and it’s got to stop If you want my honest assessment, this is one of those situations where I very much doubt race had anything to do with it. It was the humiliation of being absolutely slapped about. I suspect that as a police officer, the majority of situations end up with a disproportionate amount of respect being shown by the public. For all the shit that police get in the media and during certain situations, the majority of day-to-day incidents involving bin crime and neighborhood disputes will involve people who are naturally a bit fearful of police and their power, therefore will show them a huge amount of respect... again, self-preservation kicks in. 90% of people stopped by a police officer in their car will be courteous and respectful, if only out of fear what could happen if they don't. These men did the exact opposite. The police went in flat-footed, expecting that basic level of respect, probably an easy arrest and and these lads thought "fuck it, we'll have some of that". The officers should have been a little more alert, that's what they are surely taught in basic training, but because they weren't, they left themselves very exposed which is why the lads were able to fight back and land as many punches as they did. Police officersare meant to be able to handle situations like this.... and these guys really didn't, hence why one has a broken nose and the other two took some serious punches. I don't think racism had anything to do with this situation. The offending copper probably felt humiliated. It undermined the respect that they usually received and for whatever reason, his ego took over and he thought "here's my chance to level the score". Whatever went on 30 seconds before, you cannot fucking boot the lad in the head. Not while he's flat on the floor.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 27, 2024 18:10:49 GMT
Suppose it depends what side of the fence you're on. The police officers were extremely flat footed and took an absolute pasting but once that lad was on the floor, the situation was basically over. If he kicked him in the head mid-fight, you could argue it was heat of the moment, self-defence, attempting to immobilize a very violent young man etc. What actually happened... three police got fucking battered by two very violent young men and then as they retreated and surrendered, one officer decides to settle the fucking score and lets them have it. Sorry but the officer is still in the wrong. This isn't fucking Orgreave. This shit isn't acceptable anymore (not that it ever was). If it was a drunk lad on a night out, this thread would have taken a very different direction. The other two are completely exonerated and deserve praise for putting themselves into an utterly horrific situation and keeping their nerve. What about the bit in between the guy being floored and when the police officer started kicking him. Wonder what went on? At the end of the footage it looks like what could be the handle of a revolver on the floor. Something can be seen falling from the officers body towards the end of the footage. If it is and the guy made a reach for it then the officer would have had to react quickly to prevent carnage. These were armed response officers I believe. View AttachmentYou're grasping at straws now mate. If that's a gun, I'll genuinely piss myself and hold my hands up while I'm at it. It's not a gun, is it? Get in the real world. It was two dickheads who were actually kind of handy.
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