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Post by knype on Dec 22, 2022 9:53:32 GMT
Interestingly - one particular poster is all supportive and sweetness and light on the "it's ok" thread, then absolutely vile on the rest that he/she contributes to. Hypocrisy eh? You not posted on the "it's OK " thread?
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Post by knype on Dec 22, 2022 10:00:57 GMT
Interestingly - one particular poster is all supportive and sweetness and light on the "it's ok" thread, then absolutely vile on the rest that he/she contributes to. Hypocrisy eh? Thought you wanted to leave it ? More hypocrisy
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Dec 22, 2022 10:02:09 GMT
And now a certain poster is seemingly so paranoid he/she thinks it's all about them
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Post by knype on Dec 22, 2022 11:51:23 GMT
And now a certain poster is seemingly so paranoid he/she thinks it's all about them Sad man...
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Post by wannabee on Jan 16, 2023 14:40:26 GMT
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Post by milton58 on Jan 16, 2023 17:34:16 GMT
Need inspector ted Hastings sort them out
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Post by chiprockets on Jan 16, 2023 18:38:41 GMT
They are investigating 1000 officers about alleged sexual complaints according to itv news just now A THOUSAND!!! Tree is rotten, not just a few apples
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on Jan 16, 2023 18:41:21 GMT
1,000 current Met Poilce staff are under investigation for sexual and/or domestic violence offences.
That in itself, is absolutely staggering.
Are Met Police officers just completely arrogant 'untouchables'? Or does policing attract more than it's fair share of a certain type of bloke (let's assume here that the vast majority of these alleged offences are perpetrated by men)??
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Post by milton58 on Jan 16, 2023 18:48:15 GMT
1,000 current Met Poilce staff are under investigation for sexual and/or domestic violence offences. That in itself, is absolutely staggering. Are Met Police officers just completely arrogant 'untouchables'? Or does policing attract more than it's fair share of a certain type of bloke (let's assume here that the vast majority of these alleged offences are perpetrated by men)?? all employed by Boris Johnson with his push to get more police officers in his time of prime minister everything he did as been a complete disaster for this country
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Post by wannabee on Jan 16, 2023 19:50:09 GMT
They are investigating 1000 officers about alleged sexual complaints according to itv news just now A THOUSAND!!! Tree is rotten, not just a few apples My "Rotten Apples" comment was ironic as some on this thread are wedded to that theory Of course it's nonsense and there is a veritable orchard This is bourne out by a plethora of reports the most recent from Baroness Casey which all have a common theme that The Met is Institutionally Racist and Mysogynistic The Met is too big to be reformed it needs to be broken up into 3/4 Forces on Special Measures with a clear charter reported on at least annually
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jan 16, 2023 19:54:58 GMT
Rapey Bastard Dave, such cheeky japesters these Met Officers aren't they.
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Post by roylandstoke on Jan 16, 2023 20:23:16 GMT
Can those officers who chose to ignore/defend this scum be prosecuted for obstruction?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 16, 2023 20:27:31 GMT
Can those officers who chose to ignore/defend this scum be prosecuted for obstruction? I’d imagine they’ll be dealt with internally. Gross misconduct or misconduct depending on what their part is.
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Post by roylandstoke on Jan 16, 2023 20:30:07 GMT
Can those officers who chose to ignore/defend this scum be prosecuted for obstruction? I’d imagine they’ll be dealt with internally. Gross misconduct or misconduct depending on what their part is. More likely promoted or encouraged to take early, well rewarded retirement.
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Post by metalhead on Jan 16, 2023 23:14:54 GMT
Why is everyone surprised? I've figuratively been banging this drum and dying on the hill for about 2 years straight, I've been shouting just how serious the sexual misconduct issue in the police force is right on this forum for ages. None of this is news... It's just surprising that we're actually seeing this reported faithfully in the media. For donkeys years, the media have been extremely pro-police, even acting as a mouthpiece. That shtick took a monumental U-Turn after the Sarah Everard vigil when The Met in their infinite wisdom decided to batter the shit out of a bunch of women. I think that triggered a few MSM journos and it's been a downward slide ever since.
The only good thing about all of this is that the emperor has no clothes. If the Met police were a human male, he'd be stood their in front of his friends, family and ex girlfriends with his cock and balls on show, without a shred of dignity. There is only up from here. Rather than celebrating the continued cataclysmic downfall of the police, it's time to look on this positively and hope that Rowley is making the positive changes he actually promised. I'll admit, I'm surprised by his work so far. He seems to be doing the right things.
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Post by chiprockets on Jan 17, 2023 21:57:33 GMT
How long until the next wrong un gets exposed in the press? Seems to be every other month.
Genuinely wonder what the rate of sexual offenders in the general population vs police (or met police if that’s easier). You’d really hope it would be a factor of 10 less at least.
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Post by roylandstoke on Jan 19, 2023 19:27:47 GMT
How long until the next wrong un gets exposed in the press? Seems to be every other month. Genuinely wonder what the rate of sexual offenders in the general population vs police (or met police if that’s easier). You’d really hope it would be a factor of 10 less at least. Does the unexplained death of a serving Chief Inspector who under investigation for child sexual offences, and two retired officers being charged over the same offences, count as the next “wrong un”?
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Post by wannabee on Jan 19, 2023 19:39:14 GMT
How long until the next wrong un gets exposed in the press? Seems to be every other month. Genuinely wonder what the rate of sexual offenders in the general population vs police (or met police if that’s easier). You’d really hope it would be a factor of 10 less at least. Suella Braverman certainly expects more exposures to come out of the review she ordered by all Police Forces. It kinda begs the question why a more rigorous review of serving Police Officers didn't happen before now and points to the original Vetting for Recruitment and Retention are not fit for purpose It is vital that the Metropolitan Police and other forces double down on their efforts to root out corrupt officers. This may mean more shocking cases come to light in the short-term," she said. www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-64308043.amp
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Post by wannabee on Jan 20, 2023 1:34:27 GMT
How long until the next wrong un gets exposed in the press? Seems to be every other month. Genuinely wonder what the rate of sexual offenders in the general population vs police (or met police if that’s easier). You’d really hope it would be a factor of 10 less at least. Does the unexplained death of a serving Chief Inspector who under investigation for child sexual offences, and two retired officers being charged over the same offences, count as the next “wrong un”? I think you already knew the answer to your question but it barely made the headlines as there is so much other shit going on. It's a great cover to ostensibly be The Law rather than be pursued by The Law and why it is a very attractive Profession for these deviants and some other very disturbed members of Society www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/met-police-chief-two-retired-29002972
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 22, 2023 1:23:23 GMT
1,000 current Met Poilce staff are under investigation for sexual and/or domestic violence offences. That in itself, is absolutely staggering. Are Met Police officers just completely arrogant 'untouchables'? Or does policing attract more than it's fair share of a certain type of bloke (let's assume here that the vast majority of these alleged offences are perpetrated by men)?? Well I am sure many of those cases are serious sexual assaults that should see the Officer thrown in Gen Pop, I do worry about the hyperbole of these things in the news. Sexual assault is a very broad term nowadays. I’d reserve judgement on condemning an entire service before more information actually comes out. If you took random 43,000 sized cross-sections of the population (apparent size of the Met), would you expect to see more or less allegations? According to this, 1 in 4 women have been sexually assaulted as an adult: rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/statistics-sexual-violence/
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Post by roylandstoke on Jan 22, 2023 10:44:43 GMT
1,000 current Met Poilce staff are under investigation for sexual and/or domestic violence offences. That in itself, is absolutely staggering. Are Met Police officers just completely arrogant 'untouchables'? Or does policing attract more than it's fair share of a certain type of bloke (let's assume here that the vast majority of these alleged offences are perpetrated by men)?? Well I am sure many of those cases are serious sexual assaults that should see the Officer thrown in Gen Pop, I do worry about the hyperbole of these things in the news. Sexual assault is a very broad term nowadays. I’d reserve judgement on condemning an entire service before more information actually comes out. If you took random 43,000 sized cross-sections of the population (apparent size of the Met), would you expect to see more or less allegations? According to this, 1 in 4 women have been sexually assaulted as an adult: rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/statistics-sexual-violence/If one of those cross sections consisted completely of people responsible for enforcing the law and protecting the population from criminals I would expect a lot less. If one of those groups contained men routinely referred to as “the rapist” or “bastard”, I would expect them to be subjected to close scrutiny by officers of the law; II would not expect them to be protected by their colleagues.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 22, 2023 10:54:01 GMT
Well I am sure many of those cases are serious sexual assaults that should see the Officer thrown in Gen Pop, I do worry about the hyperbole of these things in the news. Sexual assault is a very broad term nowadays. I’d reserve judgement on condemning an entire service before more information actually comes out. If you took random 43,000 sized cross-sections of the population (apparent size of the Met), would you expect to see more or less allegations? According to this, 1 in 4 women have been sexually assaulted as an adult: rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/statistics-sexual-violence/If one of those cross sections consisted completely of people responsible for enforcing the law and protecting the population from criminals I would expect a lot less. If one of those groups contained men routinely referred to as “the rapist” or “bastard”, I would expect them to be subjected to close scrutiny by officers of the law; II would not expect them to be protected by their colleagues. What I was saying is that, given the frequency of sexual assault in the population (1 in 4), the number of individuals accused here of sexual (or domestic) assault here (1 in 40) seems like an under representation. That’s obviously a very basic look, but I’d be shocked if it wasn’t. I cannot condone it and I certainly wouldn’t condone protecting your mates either. However, if it is an under representation, then the Met does a decent job of filtering out a lot of the crap people that are in our general society and it’s far from “rotten to the core”.
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Post by elystokie on Jan 22, 2023 13:08:12 GMT
If one of those cross sections consisted completely of people responsible for enforcing the law and protecting the population from criminals I would expect a lot less. If one of those groups contained men routinely referred to as “the rapist” or “bastard”, I would expect them to be subjected to close scrutiny by officers of the law; II would not expect them to be protected by their colleagues. What I was saying is that, given the frequency of sexual assault in the population (1 in 4), the number of individuals accused here of sexual (or domestic) assault here (1 in 40) seems like an under representation. That’s obviously a very basic look, but I’d be shocked if it wasn’t. I cannot condone it and I certainly wouldn’t condone protecting your mates either. However, if it is an under representation, then the Met does a decent job of filtering out a lot of the crap people that are in our general society and it’s far from “rotten to the core”. I'm a bit confused here. Even if the frequency of sexual assault in the population is one in four that surely doesn't necessarily mean that one in four of the general population has committed sexual assault does it? That appears to be the correlation you're making unless I'm mistaken?
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 22, 2023 13:34:47 GMT
What I was saying is that, given the frequency of sexual assault in the population (1 in 4), the number of individuals accused here of sexual (or domestic) assault here (1 in 40) seems like an under representation. That’s obviously a very basic look, but I’d be shocked if it wasn’t. I cannot condone it and I certainly wouldn’t condone protecting your mates either. However, if it is an under representation, then the Met does a decent job of filtering out a lot of the crap people that are in our general society and it’s far from “rotten to the core”. I'm a bit confused here. Even if the frequency of sexual assault in the population is one in four that surely doesn't necessarily mean that one in four of the general population has committed sexual assault does it? That appears to be the correlation you're making unless I'm mistaken? Do you think that 1 in 4 people have been assaulted by the same, small group of individuals? I doubt it. The fact that the number is so high indicates that it’s a very common thing that is likely done, on some level, by a large swathe of individuals. I don’t believe that it’s 1 in 4 men, I couldn’t tell you what number it would be. It would also depend on ITVs definition of sexual assault and how that related to the one that applied to that I’ve just linked. I’d be honestly shocked if there was an enrichment of individuals committing sexual assault in the police force versus that of the general population. If there is, please show me these numbers. It’s why I hate crap news reporting like the above. There’s no breakdown on the numbers of serious allegations (rape, for example) nor is there any relationship to how those numbers compare to society as a whole.
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Post by elystokie on Jan 22, 2023 13:43:10 GMT
I'm a bit confused here. Even if the frequency of sexual assault in the population is one in four that surely doesn't necessarily mean that one in four of the general population has committed sexual assault does it? That appears to be the correlation you're making unless I'm mistaken? Do you think that 1 in 4 people have been assaulted by the same, small group of individuals? I doubt it. The fact that the number is so high indicates that it’s a very common thing that is likely done, on some level, by a large swathe of individuals. I don’t believe that it’s 1 in 4 men, I couldn’t tell you what number it would be. It would also depend on ITVs definition of sexual assault and how that related to the one that applied to that I’ve just linked. I’d be honestly shocked if there was an enrichment of individuals committing sexual assault in the police force versus that of the general population. If there is, please show me these numbers. It’s why I hate crap news reporting like the above. There’s no breakdown on the numbers of serious allegations (rape, for example) nor is there any relationship to how those numbers compare to society as a whole. I don't think there is an enrichment of individuals in the police force, I haven't said there is, but the point is there shouldn't be any. The way I read your post, by way of correlation, is that 25% of the men I know/have known have committed sexual assault, I find that very hard to believe.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 22, 2023 14:04:51 GMT
Do you think that 1 in 4 people have been assaulted by the same, small group of individuals? I doubt it. The fact that the number is so high indicates that it’s a very common thing that is likely done, on some level, by a large swathe of individuals. I don’t believe that it’s 1 in 4 men, I couldn’t tell you what number it would be. It would also depend on ITVs definition of sexual assault and how that related to the one that applied to that I’ve just linked. I’d be honestly shocked if there was an enrichment of individuals committing sexual assault in the police force versus that of the general population. If there is, please show me these numbers. It’s why I hate crap news reporting like the above. There’s no breakdown on the numbers of serious allegations (rape, for example) nor is there any relationship to how those numbers compare to society as a whole. I don't think there is an enrichment of individuals in the police force, I haven't said there is, but the point is there shouldn't be any. The way I read your post, by way of correlation, is that 25% of the men I know/have known have committed sexual assault, I find that very hard to believe. It really depends on what sexual assault is. According to this: “The legal definition of sexual assault in England and Wales is when someone intentionally touches another person in a sexual manner, without that person's consent.” rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/types-of-sexual-violence/what-is-sexual-assault/You think that your friends haven’t gone out and groped/grinded up to someone in a nightclub when drunk before, or made unwanted advances at a house party? There will never be zero, not for sexual assault in the way I described and not for more egregious acts of it either. Some humans are scum. Some of those just happen to be police officers as well. What I hope is that the selection process means that there are fewer than expected by chance. I’ll believe that’s the case until someone shows me otherwise. As I say above, I’m not excusing them or those that have tried to cover it up. But it’s one thing to condemn those involved, it’s another to condemn the whole service.
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Post by elystokie on Jan 22, 2023 14:12:58 GMT
I don't think there is an enrichment of individuals in the police force, I haven't said there is, but the point is there shouldn't be any. The way I read your post, by way of correlation, is that 25% of the men I know/have known have committed sexual assault, I find that very hard to believe. It really depends on what sexual assault is. According to this: “The legal definition of sexual assault in England and Wales is when someone intentionally touches another person in a sexual manner, without that person's consent.” rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/types-of-sexual-violence/what-is-sexual-assault/You think that your friends haven’t gone out and groped/grinded up to someone in a nightclub when drunk before, or made unwanted advances at a house party? There will never be zero, not for sexual assault in the way I described and not for more egregious acts of it either. Some humans are scum. Some of those just happen to be police officers as well. What I hope is that the selection process means that there are fewer than expected by chance. I’ll believe that’s the case until someone shows me otherwise. As I say above, I’m not excusing them or those that have tried to cover it up. But it’s one thing to condemn those involved, it’s another to condemn the whole service. "You think that your friends haven’t gone out and groped/grinded up to someone in a nightclub when drunk before, or made unwanted advances at a house party?" Do I think none of them have? Of course not. Do I think 25% of them have? Same answer. Most of what you say I agree with of course, I just think the correlation you made was some way off.
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Post by roylandstoke on Jan 23, 2023 3:33:02 GMT
Do you think that 1 in 4 people have been assaulted by the same, small group of individuals? I doubt it. The fact that the number is so high indicates that it’s a very common thing that is likely done, on some level, by a large swathe of individuals. I don’t believe that it’s 1 in 4 men, I couldn’t tell you what number it would be. It would also depend on ITVs definition of sexual assault and how that related to the one that applied to that I’ve just linked. I’d be honestly shocked if there was an enrichment of individuals committing sexual assault in the police force versus that of the general population. If there is, please show me these numbers. It’s why I hate crap news reporting like the above. There’s no breakdown on the numbers of serious allegations (rape, for example) nor is there any relationship to how those numbers compare to society as a whole. I don't think there is an enrichment of individuals in the police force, I haven't said there is, but the point is there shouldn't be any. The way I read your post, by way of correlation, is that 25% of the men I know/have known have committed sexual assault, I find that very hard to believe. It depends on what percentage of men you know are coppers.
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Post by metalhead on Jan 25, 2023 12:18:24 GMT
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Post by foster on Jan 25, 2023 17:21:47 GMT
I wish they'd apply such stringent methods to politicians.
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