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Post by metalhead on Jan 25, 2023 19:23:40 GMT
I wish they'd apply such stringent methods to politicians. You and me both.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 7, 2023 13:14:50 GMT
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Post by thevoid on Feb 7, 2023 14:20:57 GMT
Ex copper? He'll be popular
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Post by chiprockets on Feb 7, 2023 18:37:17 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Feb 7, 2023 18:43:20 GMT
It will be. Like I said, the only way is up and things are happening. For the first time since being an adult, I have hope for the police.
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Post by wannabee on Feb 14, 2023 1:10:15 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 14, 2023 19:22:27 GMT
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Post by wannabee on Feb 26, 2023 14:41:15 GMT
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Post by xchpotter on Feb 26, 2023 16:26:45 GMT
I know one shouldn’t stereotype, but he does look like the sort who would bash one out on a train 😂 Dirty bastard and no place for him.
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Post by chiprockets on Mar 6, 2023 19:37:54 GMT
some extracts of Couzens whatsapp group chat,
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Post by wannabee on Mar 6, 2023 20:08:56 GMT
Ex Met Superintendent Parm Sandhu was a serving Officer for 30 years She eventually resigned and was due to bring a case of Sexual Harassment and Racial Abuse against the Met. She was offered £120,000 in compensation if she signed an NDA effectively a gagging order She broke the NDA and wrote a Book about her experience in the Met The Met took an action to recover half £60,000 plus interest because she broke the NDA So you can continue working for the Met if you are a Public Wanker or a Flasher who goes on to Rape and Murder, but you must not speak bad about the Met, Righto www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/aug/21/met-police-takes-ex-officer-parm-sandhu-to-court-black-and-blue
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 6, 2023 20:15:10 GMT
Ex Met Superintendent Parm Sandhu was a serving Officer for 30 years She eventually resigned and was due to bring a case of Sexual Harassment and Racial Abuse against the Met. She was offered £120,000 in compensation if she signed an NDA effectively a gagging order She broke the NDA and wrote a Book about her experience in the Met The Met took an action to recover half £60,000 plus interest because she broke the NDA So you can continue working for the Met if you are a Public Wanker or a Flasher who goes on to Rape and Murder, but you must not speak bad about the Met, Righto www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/aug/21/met-police-takes-ex-officer-parm-sandhu-to-court-black-and-blueWhat is the point in an NDA? Honestly. People break them all the time and they don’t seem to have major repercussions.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 6, 2023 20:58:45 GMT
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Post by iglugluk on Mar 6, 2023 21:53:00 GMT
Unfortunately it's certainly not just the Met that need to take a good look at themselves, the problem is endemic.
Those who are in positions of considerable power often sink into abuse of their position, the government..shambles thread describes this principle.
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Post by wannabee on Mar 6, 2023 22:46:52 GMT
Ex Met Superintendent Parm Sandhu was a serving Officer for 30 years She eventually resigned and was due to bring a case of Sexual Harassment and Racial Abuse against the Met. She was offered £120,000 in compensation if she signed an NDA effectively a gagging order She broke the NDA and wrote a Book about her experience in the Met The Met took an action to recover half £60,000 plus interest because she broke the NDA So you can continue working for the Met if you are a Public Wanker or a Flasher who goes on to Rape and Murder, but you must not speak bad about the Met, Righto www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/aug/21/met-police-takes-ex-officer-parm-sandhu-to-court-black-and-blueWhat is the point in an NDA? Honestly. People break them all the time and they don’t seem to have major repercussions. As you are well aware Employment Law is very different in UK with much more Employee protection than the other side of the Pond with At Will operating in every US State. Most States in US are outlawing NDAs In UK NDAs are generally enforceable if the offended party can prove and wishes to pursue redress through the Courts Where they work are in Research fields to prevent an employee moving immediately to a competitor and taking Know-how with them. An NDA is certainly enforceable for a period of at least 3 months and sometimes much longer PROVIDED the employee is compensated for their down time. This is usually referred to as "gardening leave" and reduces the risk of inventions being easily transferred I don't know if you've been following but this is the exact situation with Sue Grey currently What needs to be decided is the period of time, minimum 3 months, before she can take up her new employment with Starmer. In addition their will be a limited amount of subjects she can NEVER discuss with Starmer under her general contract of employment for her rank in Civil Service Of course what an NDA can't do is remove what is in the employees head which is their "Stock-in-Trade" Where they fall down usually is poor drafting e.g. too wide a scope meaning restraint of Trade. If it can be shown that NDA was signed under duress or to cover up illegal activity- see Harvey Wienstien, they are obviously invalid
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Post by wannabee on Mar 7, 2023 0:35:36 GMT
Unfortunately it's certainly not just the Met that need to take a good look at themselves, the problem is endemic. Those who are in positions of considerable power often sink into abuse of their position, the government..shambles thread describes this principle. Your probably correct iglugl and it would surprise me if you weren't but I have no personal experience of it. I lived and worked in London from the mid 1970s and it was self evident if you went to certain Clubs, Nightclubs, Bars, Restaurants etc, which I did, you could see with your own eyes the Fraternity between Police, Criminals, Actors, TV Stars, Footballers etc it was heady. Initially I didn't question, just went along for the Lols There was a half arsed but expensive Enquiry "Countryman" undertaken late 1970s because the excesses became too evident. Its on record that the enquiry was willfully obstructed by the Met Commissioner McNee. Eventually the enquiry was shut down and the findings passed internally to the Met. Despite questions in Parliament "Countryman" was sealed for 50 years "In the Public interest" Some trace the origins of the Met corruption to the 1920s, I don't know. It was certainly prevalent in the 1970s/80s where it was estimated up to 20% of the Force was corrupt. Many subsequent Statutory and Public enquiries since then have concluded exactly the same thing which is that the Met is Institutionally Racist, Misogynistic and Corrupt. One of the most recent reports is into the Murder of Daniel Morgan which lasted 7 years due to non cooperation of the Met but finally concluded in 2021 that the Met was "Institutionally Corrupt " We don't need to dwell on other failings like Carrick and Couzens etc Those who insist despite empirical evidence to the contrary that its just "a few bad apples" do no favours to the majority of Officers who I'm sure are sickened by the working environment they find themselves in and many choose to leave
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Post by iglugluk on Mar 7, 2023 11:26:07 GMT
Unfortunately it's certainly not just the Met that need to take a good look at themselves, the problem is endemic. Those who are in positions of considerable power often sink into abuse of their position, the government..shambles thread describes this principle. Your probably correct iglugl and it would surprise me if you weren't but I have no personal experience of it. I lived and worked in London from the mid 1970s and it was self evident if you went to certain Clubs, Nightclubs, Bars, Restaurants etc, which I did, you could see with your own eyes the Fraternity between Police, Criminals, Actors, TV Stars, Footballers etc it was heady. Initially I didn't question, just went along for the Lols There was a half arsed but expensive Enquiry "Countryman" undertaken late 1970s because the excesses became too evident. Its on record that the enquiry was willfully obstructed by the Met Commissioner McNee. Eventually the enquiry was shut down and the findings passed internally to the Met. Despite questions in Parliament "Countryman" was sealed for 50 years "In the Public interest" Some trace the origins of the Met corruption to the 1920s, I don't know. It was certainly prevalent in the 1970s/80s where it was estimated up to 20% of the Force was corrupt. Many subsequent Statutory and Public enquiries since then have concluded exactly the same thing which is that the Met is Institutionally Racist, Misogynistic and Corrupt. One of the most recent reports is into the Murder of Daniel Morgan which lasted 7 years due to non cooperation of the Met but finally concluded in 2021 that the Met was "Institutionally Corrupt " We don't need to dwell on other failings like Carrick and Couzens etc Those who insist despite empirical evidence to the contrary that its just "a few bad apples" do no favours to the majority of Officers who I'm sure are sickened by the working environment they find themselves in and many choose to leave Interesting history thanks. I made the comment I made based on personal experience too and it's due to members of family who've been in The Force both outside London and in The Met itself. I also have family members who've been on the receiving end of extremely significant and harmful abuse carried out by Police from a Force outside The Met. I don't intend to detail what I've written above as it's too sensitive and personal for this forum but I can assure you pervasive and systemic problems exist across systems.. the entire system needs to be more accountable, not just one isolated 'bad apple' as far as I can tell and as you rightly wrote. It's too easy for the government and their 'pet' media to brush issues like these under the carpet but I suspect ultimately that will happen unfortunately. The fact is, as far as I can tell, that the old maxim 'power corrupts..' holds true and the more power one has the more the corruption can be significant in it's negative effects on society.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 14, 2023 8:48:33 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 16, 2023 21:14:44 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Mar 16, 2023 22:07:08 GMT
I wonder what they mean by last chance saloon.
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Post by wannabee on Mar 16, 2023 23:01:21 GMT
I wonder what they mean by last chance saloon. I think it means there all down the Pub chatting on WhatsApp
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 19, 2023 20:24:09 GMT
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Post by wannabee on Mar 19, 2023 22:47:16 GMT
No one is suggesting ACAB I wonder why you and "Jenn" selected this incident from nearly two years ago of this brave Police Officer. Jenn post dozens of tweets and retweets every day in support of the Police. I suppose everyone needs a hobby It's probably just coincidental that the Baroness Casey Final Report is due to be published on Tuesday. So let's wait to see if "Jenn's" statistical assessment is correct eh.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 19, 2023 23:13:58 GMT
No one is suggesting ACAB I wonder why you and "Jenn" selected this incident from nearly two years ago of this brave Police Officer. Jenn post dozens of tweets and retweets every day in support of the Police. I suppose everyone needs a hobby It's probably just coincidental that the Baroness Casey Final Report is due to be published on Tuesday. So let's wait to see if "Jenn's" statistical assessment is correct eh. It came up on my twitter feed today. Maybe because she’s trying to balance things up by the lack of reporting of these types of stories that the mainstream media fails to report because it doesn’t suit there agenda. Don’t get me wrong there’s plenty the Police get wrong but it’s nice to have the odd positive post up about the great work they do too.
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Post by wannabee on Mar 19, 2023 23:45:44 GMT
It was widely reported on MSM almost 2 years ago and rightly so
I just wondered about the timing of why you and Jenn felt it needed to be re-reported again at this precise time?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 19, 2023 23:55:21 GMT
It was widely reported on MSM almost 2 years ago and rightly so I just wondered about the timing of why you and Jenn felt it needed to be re-reported again at this precise time? Purely because I came across it today and thought it might break up the negativity (some of which is deserved). I genuinly didn’t know it was from 2 years ago.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 20, 2023 22:47:08 GMT
Similar headline on most of the front pages tomorrow, apparently the report is absolutely damning.
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Mar 21, 2023 5:25:52 GMT
Needs disbanding and starting again does the met
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 21, 2023 7:08:28 GMT
Needs disbanding and starting again does the met Best way would be to split them into smaller forces. Biggest problem is there too big. They also need to look at recruitment. One of the biggest issues is due to the low starting salary no one wants to join so to satisfy targets they allow applicants in that if their were higher standards wouldn’t get in. Changes need to be made as these characters identified are making it doubly difficult for the many good officers due to publics perception that they’re all like the minority which isn’t helped by the medias one sided view.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 21, 2023 8:28:51 GMT
Needs disbanding and starting again does the met Best way would be to split them into smaller forces. Biggest problem is there too big. They also need to look at recruitment. One of the biggest issues is due to the low starting salary no one wants to join so to satisfy targets they allow applicants in that if their were higher standards wouldn’t get in. Changes need to be made as these characters identified are making it doubly difficult for the many good officers due to publics perception that they’re all like the minority which isn’t helped by the medias one sided view. To be fair Cobs, it isn't the media who's reached the conclusion in that headline, is it?
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