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Post by stokesaint1 on Apr 26, 2022 4:11:11 GMT
Just my opinion I accept but Maja certainly hasn't done enough for me to justify a fee anywhere near £3M. He's had plenty of opportunity to make his case but just hasn't taken it. I would hope if we do have that sort of money to spend, on one player, that we invest it far more wisely.
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Post by Trouserdog on Apr 26, 2022 5:34:35 GMT
I still think he’d be poor value at £350,000. Not a lead the line striker that we need. Get rid doesn’t do anything our current lot can’t. They all need a focal point, he isn’t it. He absolutely does. No other striker we own links the play as he does. He's Ok if the ball is into his feet and he's not under much pressure. Give him something in the air or bouncing with a defender near him and he doesn't hold the ball well enough- not got the physical stature or strength to hold defenders off.
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Post by willieeetmiout on Apr 26, 2022 6:04:15 GMT
15 apps
1 goal
3 assists
Is that enough for £3.5m quid?
Probably got to reflect he'd played pretty much no football prior to joining us because of a back injury.
But he's out of contract next year.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 26, 2022 6:17:58 GMT
15 apps 1 goal 3 assists Is that enough for £3.5m quid? Probably got to reflect he'd played pretty much no football prior to joining us because of a back injury. But he's out of contract next year. Not for me, just doesn’t seem to have any stand out attributes you’d look for in a striker. For a central striker I’d ask a simple question is he fast or big and strong, if the answers neither move on. Given the way we play I don’t even think we’d make good use of a striker that was like shit off a shovel. So unless he’s willing to change the whole approach it’s got to be big and strong.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 26, 2022 7:11:34 GMT
He absolutely does. No other striker we own links the play as he does. He's Ok if the ball is into his feet and he's not under much pressure. Give him something in the air or bouncing with a defender near him and he doesn't hold the ball well enough- not got the physical stature or strength to hold defenders off. Agree in the air, so don’t play it in the air.
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 26, 2022 7:15:08 GMT
He's Ok if the ball is into his feet and he's not under much pressure. Give him something in the air or bouncing with a defender near him and he doesn't hold the ball well enough- not got the physical stature or strength to hold defenders off. Agree in the air, so don’t play it in the air. I couldn't understand why we were playing so many long high balls from the back on Saturday. They were basically coming straight back! No need for it. Sometimes I think players and coaches are just brainless.
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Post by lordb on Apr 26, 2022 7:24:26 GMT
15 apps 1 goal 3 assists Is that enough for £3.5m quid? Probably got to reflect he'd played pretty much no football prior to joining us because of a back injury. But he's out of contract next year. It's a bit less as it's €3.5m Given his wages and low goal return here no club is going to be paying that figure Another loan for him with Bordeaux paying chunk of his wages That's the best deal they are going to get
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 26, 2022 7:24:40 GMT
He's Ok if the ball is into his feet and he's not under much pressure. Give him something in the air or bouncing with a defender near him and he doesn't hold the ball well enough- not got the physical stature or strength to hold defenders off. Agree in the air, so don’t play it in the air. Sounds as stupid as always play it in the air to me. You need the option to do both otherwise unless you’re fucking brilliant you’re far easier to defend against.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 26, 2022 7:39:59 GMT
Agree in the air, so don’t play it in the air. I couldn't understand why we were playing so many long high balls from the back on Saturday. They were basically coming straight back No need for it. Sometimes I think players and coaches are just brainless. Yeah neither of him or Brown are that sort of player so it makes no sense. Either play to feet. Or play balls into the channel for them to chase to get field position to play from.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 26, 2022 7:40:33 GMT
Agree in the air, so don’t play it in the air. Sounds as stupid as always play it in the air to me. You need the option to do both otherwise unless you’re fucking brilliant you’re far easier to defend against. Or you just play a ball into the channel….
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 26, 2022 7:47:23 GMT
Sounds as stupid as always play it in the air to me. You need the option to do both otherwise unless you’re fucking brilliant you’re far easier to defend against. Or you just play a ball into the channel…. Would you be happy with Brown and Maja as a front 2 in (what we assume will be) a 3-5-2 next season? With Campbell potentially as back-up... Can't see Tezgel featuring that much. If Allen (and maybe Sawyers?) stays, it doesn't seem like that much would change - bar maybe a Smith replacement as you'd think MON would happily take Jagielka (and THB if he could)? Where are the big changes going to come? Or are we saying we don't really need them?
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 26, 2022 7:52:11 GMT
Sounds as stupid as always play it in the air to me. You need the option to do both otherwise unless you’re fucking brilliant you’re far easier to defend against. Or you just play a ball into the channel…. You seem happy to completely neglect aerial ability in your front line personally I think that’s very one eyed.
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Post by stokie1947 on Apr 26, 2022 7:56:41 GMT
the guy at Notts Forest is doing ok
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 26, 2022 8:02:35 GMT
the guy at Notts Forest is doing ok Cooper must have a better plan for how to use a weak as piss striker than MON. Seen enough of him to know it wasn’t a mistake to move him on.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 26, 2022 8:17:26 GMT
Or you just play a ball into the channel…. Would you be happy with Brown and Maja as a front 2 in (what we assume will be) a 3-5-2 next season? With Campbell potentially as back-up... Can't see Tezgel featuring that much. If Allen (and maybe Sawyers?) stays, it doesn't seem like that much would change - bar maybe a Smith replacement as you'd think MON would happily take Jagielka (and THB if he could)? Where are the big changes going to come? Or are we saying we don't really need them? I'd hope it'd be Campbell and Maja in the short to long term and I'd be ecstatic with that. I'd rather it was in 4231 with Powell and then Powell can act as your number 10 and more a traditional targetman as he is good in the air. Really don't see the need for THB with Taylor and Forrester coming through. Forrester already seems the more assured of him and THB. I like THB a lot but him on loan makes zero sense. Jagielka is a no brainer isn't he? He's so reliable. I think we have the second best team in the league. There's one main change we need
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 26, 2022 8:29:03 GMT
Would you be happy with Brown and Maja as a front 2 in (what we assume will be) a 3-5-2 next season? With Campbell potentially as back-up... Can't see Tezgel featuring that much. If Allen (and maybe Sawyers?) stays, it doesn't seem like that much would change - bar maybe a Smith replacement as you'd think MON would happily take Jagielka (and THB if he could)? Where are the big changes going to come? Or are we saying we don't really need them? I'd hope it'd be Campbell and Maja in the short to long term and I'd be ecstatic with that. I'd rather it was in 4231 with Powell and then Powell can act as your number 10 and more a traditional targetman as he is good in the air. Really don't see the need for THB with Taylor and Forrester coming through. Forrester already seems the more assured of him and THB. I like THB a lot but him on loan makes zero sense. Jagielka is a no brainer isn't he? He's so reliable. I think we have the second best team in the league. There's one main change we need It'll certainly be interesting to see which version of Campbell we see in pre-season. Think he's only started 3 or 4 games this year, and looks like the last game he started up front was Preston at the start of Jan!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 26, 2022 8:36:29 GMT
What if he doesn't get better...... He just doesn't look a goal threat to me and we need someone that is. It's a risk you take on any player. I just think there is more to come from him once settled in. Look at Surridge now, scoring goals. People slated him, it takes time to play and fit in here when you are a striker. Surridge didn't fit what the manager wanted, it was a bad signing and trying to force a player in that clearly wasn't up to it was poor management. I'm not convinced Maja really fits in either, he's not really a target man although he has shown the odd glimpse of being able to hold the ball up etc, I get he was coming back from an injury but he's played enough now for that to not be a factor any more and at 3.5mil or heavy wages I think its way too much for him.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 26, 2022 8:38:10 GMT
I couldn't understand why we were playing so many long high balls from the back on Saturday. They were basically coming straight back No need for it. Sometimes I think players and coaches are just brainless. Yeah neither of him or Brown are that sort of player so it makes no sense. Either play to feet. Or play balls into the channel for them to chase to get field position to play from. Or don't sign players that can't do it, we need someone in that's capable.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 26, 2022 8:40:06 GMT
Or you just play a ball into the channel…. Would you be happy with Brown and Maja as a front 2 in (what we assume will be) a 3-5-2 next season? With Campbell potentially as back-up... Can't see Tezgel featuring that much. If Allen (and maybe Sawyers?) stays, it doesn't seem like that much would change - bar maybe a Smith replacement as you'd think MON would happily take Jagielka (and THB if he could)? Where are the big changes going to come? Or are we saying we don't really need them? We definitely need the changes, its such a weak squad, no flexibility at all.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 26, 2022 8:42:14 GMT
I'd hope it'd be Campbell and Maja in the short to long term and I'd be ecstatic with that. I'd rather it was in 4231 with Powell and then Powell can act as your number 10 and more a traditional targetman as he is good in the air. Really don't see the need for THB with Taylor and Forrester coming through. Forrester already seems the more assured of him and THB. I like THB a lot but him on loan makes zero sense. Jagielka is a no brainer isn't he? He's so reliable. I think we have the second best team in the league. There's one main change we need It'll certainly be interesting to see which version of Campbell we see in pre-season. Think he's only started 3 or 4 games this year, and looks like the last game he started up front was Preston at the start of Jan I hope it's the one we've seen glimpses of this season. He's still looked the best finisher we have by a mile, just so natural. But he's so far off it. Tezgel is an interesting one. I went the Wigan game and he was surprisingly strong and looked the part in the long as an all round targetman. I don't think he should be starting in the first half of next season but he looked a lot more ready than I thought he would.
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Post by Roger Everyone on Apr 26, 2022 8:45:29 GMT
It's a risk you take on any player. I just think there is more to come from him once settled in. Look at Surridge now, scoring goals. People slated him, it takes time to play and fit in here when you are a striker. Surridge didn't fit what the manager wanted, it was a bad signing and trying to force a player in that clearly wasn't up to it was poor management. I'm not convinced Maja really fits in either, he's not really a target man although he has shown the odd glimpse of being able to hold the ball up etc, I get he was coming back from an injury but he's played enough now for that to not be a factor any more and at 3.5mil or heavy wages I think its way too much for him. I don't expect we will be signing him or anyone for that sort of money in truth.
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 26, 2022 9:15:57 GMT
Looks like a good all round player to me. He is the right age and will only get better. Sign him up. What if he doesn't get better...... He just doesn't look a goal threat to me and we need someone that is. £3 million doesn't break the bank over 3 seasons does it? I can't imagine he's on massive wages. At 19 he scored 16 goals in about less than 30 games for Sunderland in league 1. Admittedly the previous season he only scored 1 in 17 Championship appearances the previous season but I think a lot of those were as a sub. It amazes me that Tyrese is given all the time in the world to come back from his injury because of what he showed two years ago(no criticism it's what should happen) whereas this lad joined Stoke having just come back from long term injury and was expected to hit the ground running at a club where he knew no one. He showed promise at Sunderland at a younger age than Campbell and has shown improvement in a few weeks here. Whatever you think of the Stoke coaching staff the way they have coached Brown surely gives optimism for what they might do for Maja. Some of the greatest strikers took a long time to start scoring regularly. We'd be stupid to not pay up for him at the end of the season if we can.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 26, 2022 9:21:47 GMT
What if he doesn't get better...... He just doesn't look a goal threat to me and we need someone that is. £3 million doesn't break the bank over 3 seasons does it? I can't imagine he's on massive wages. At 19 he scored 16 goals in about less than 30 games for Sunderland in league 1. Admittedly the previous season he only scored 1 in 17 Championship appearances the previous season but I think a lot of those were as a sub. It amazes me that Tyrese is given all the time in the world to come back from his injury because of what he showed two years ago(no criticism it's what should happen) whereas this lad joined Stoke having just come back from long term injury and was expected to hit the ground running at a club where he knew no one. He showed promise at Sunderland at a younger age than Campbell and has shown improvement in a few weeks here. Whatever you think of the Stoke coaching staff the way they have coached Brown surely gives optimism for what they might do for Maja. Some of the greatest strikers took a long time to start scoring regularly. We'd be stupid to not pay up for him at the end of the season if we can. www.shieldsgazette.com/sport/football/josh-majas-staggering-pay-rise-revealed-after-leaving-sunderland-bordeaux-127739www.footballinsider247.com/rangers-sets-sights-on-striker-whose-pay-rocketed-last-year/Take all wage claims with buckets of salt - but L'Equipe claimed he was on nudging £60k-a-week. And £3m would surely be a very sizeable fee for us (or any Championship club)?
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 26, 2022 9:23:02 GMT
Actually their claim is £60k-a-month which seems MUCH more manageable in fairness
(although Football Insider claim it's per week, which does seem unlikely)
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Post by GeneralFaye on Apr 26, 2022 9:26:58 GMT
There's a player in there. At Sunderland he proved to be a really good finisher and when I watched him at Fulham in the Premier League he impressed me a couple of times but has he really done enough to justify us spending millions on? For me, it would be a gamble and I'm not sure we're in a position to be taking a gamble.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 26, 2022 9:29:12 GMT
I'd be very surprised if we went anywhere near £3m.
I think you could make a case for something maybe up to half that if his current wages really are about £15k and therefore not a massive hurdle?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 26, 2022 9:56:21 GMT
What if he doesn't get better...... He just doesn't look a goal threat to me and we need someone that is. £3 million doesn't break the bank over 3 seasons does it? I can't imagine he's on massive wages. At 19 he scored 16 goals in about less than 30 games for Sunderland in league 1. Admittedly the previous season he only scored 1 in 17 Championship appearances the previous season but I think a lot of those were as a sub. It amazes me that Tyrese is given all the time in the world to come back from his injury because of what he showed two years ago(no criticism it's what should happen) whereas this lad joined Stoke having just come back from long term injury and was expected to hit the ground running at a club where he knew no one. He showed promise at Sunderland at a younger age than Campbell and has shown improvement in a few weeks here. Whatever you think of the Stoke coaching staff the way they have coached Brown surely gives optimism for what they might do for Maja. Some of the greatest strikers took a long time to start scoring regularly. We'd be stupid to not pay up for him at the end of the season if we can. 3 mil is a lot in our situation, yes. And if his wages are anywhere near whats been reported we couldn't/shouldn't be paying even half that. Edit: seems they may be more reasonable, but still a lot for the punt that he would be. Campbell is a different situation, he's given more time partly because he actually our player and he has shown he can do it in this league before, Maja has not and we can't afford to waste more money. What about the coaching staff re Surridge, the coaching staff aren't miracle workers, they can't suddenly change how a player naturally plays, its much harder than improving the skills a player already has. We'd be better off finding a player that knows the role MON wants than signing yet another we know doesn't.
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Post by independent on Apr 26, 2022 10:46:33 GMT
Tricky one. If we can get him on another loan then I think we should.But I wouldn't pay mega bucks for him in the last year of his contract. £15k a week seems much more logical as a weekly wage and it may actually be less than that. He has got a lot fitter since he came, links the play and has shown a lot of football intelligence and an appreciation of where to pass to. He may even add goals to his game next year. However, I think we need a taller striker to enable us to score against packed defences and unless we play 4312 with him as the 1 it's hard to see where he would play.
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 26, 2022 11:02:54 GMT
He's Ok if the ball is into his feet and he's not under much pressure. Give him something in the air or bouncing with a defender near him and he doesn't hold the ball well enough- not got the physical stature or strength to hold defenders off. Agree in the air, so don’t play it in the air. If you don’t have the option to play it in the air, you become predictable. Even Fulham, who are supposed to play such wonderful football, occasionally smash it up to Mitrovic.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 26, 2022 11:20:21 GMT
Agree in the air, so don’t play it in the air. If you don’t have the option to play it in the air, you become predictable. Even Fulham, who are supposed to play such wonderful football, occasionally smash it up to Mitrovic. Not necessarily, a ball down the line is different, an easy option and gets you up the pitch. And with Powell in the side, you have someone who can do that role too.
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