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Post by iglugluk on Jun 1, 2022 10:22:44 GMT
Saying we lost games because of an attacking mindset is verging on delusion, as far as I'm concerned. Our defence often looked fragile, disorganised and panicky.. that added to what seemed semi regular concentration lapses when passing out from the back cost us way too many points over the season.
We also failed miserably to cope with teams that employed an energetic press style of play on far too many occasions and that lies at the manager's door with his training and tactics, as far as I'm concerned.
He needs to look at his approach much more closely but seems to be in the business of selling a 'fine margins' and 'player inexperience' set of excuses. It's a concerning analysis of the season, I think.
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Post by iamstokie on Jun 1, 2022 13:20:40 GMT
He's covering his arse, and getting the excuses in early for the coming season. Expect more of the same - who knows, maybe another 2 point improvement, and the heady heights of 13th ! I bet his dressing room talks are really inspirational ! Everything he says or does stinks of mediocracy
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 1, 2022 13:25:55 GMT
Delusional idiot.
Just sack him.
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Post by thevoid on Jun 1, 2022 13:38:18 GMT
He's covering his arse, and getting the excuses in early for the coming season. Expect more of the same - who knows, maybe another 2 point improvement, and the heady heights of 13th ! I bet his dressing room talks are really inspirational ! Some of the sycophants on here will be beating their meat over another two point gain. I wonder if they'd be happy if they lent someone £10 and received payment in annual increments of 50p?
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Post by thevoid on Jun 1, 2022 13:42:12 GMT
Saying we lost games because of an attacking mindset is verging on delusion, as far as I'm concerned. Our defence often looked fragile, disorganised and panicky.. that added to what seemed semi regular concentration lapses when passing out from the back cost us way too many points over the season. We also failed miserably to cope with teams that employed an energetic press style of play on far too many occasions and that lies at the manager's door with his training and tactics, as far as I'm concerned. He needs to look at his approach much more closely but seems to be in the business of selling a 'fine margins' and 'player inexperience' set of excuses. It's a concerning analysis of the season, I think. Worrying comments
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 1, 2022 13:44:50 GMT
Most of it fairly reasonable with a slight undercurrent of 'nothing to do with me, guv'. The most worrying bit was his analysis that we dropped points from leading positions away from home because we were too positive rather than resolving just not to lose. If that's actually what he thinks then that's a striking misdiagnosis and suggests another long old season ahead. I also don't quite know how you go from wanting to sign Keinan Davis to signing Sam Surridge, that sounds very scattergun. Getting excuses in for going more defensive next season, should be fun
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Post by Sfance on Jun 1, 2022 13:53:40 GMT
Bit harsh Bayern. I don’t think he’s delusional, at least in the psychological sense. I think it’s more he’s just in over his head - and knows it. He seemed to fully expect to get the boot at one point towards the end of last season and when it didn’t happen he thought OK, I guess the bosses are fine with the way things are, I’ll just carry on collecting my pay check. I think the people who are delusional are the ones that think we’re only a returning Souttar and a slimmed down Campbell away from a competitive team. The lack of those two factors last season had little bearing on how MON set up the team and how he asked them to play, which was god-awful. I don’t see any reason whatsoever that the coming season will be any different, that is until the happy-clappers begin finally to see what’s in front of their noses and the atmosphere in the stadium becomes so toxic that Idiot John decides he’d better do something. And what’s the chances of him doing something that improves matters? Not good.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2022 14:10:47 GMT
Delusional as made the same point you have previously Bayern ...in between moaning re a player being played at full back 188 times.
Actually making the same point as you perhaps does make him delusional perhaps
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2022 15:09:53 GMT
I like the phrase 'speed repeatability' re Brown. He's not got express pace but at the end of games he's still sprinting as quick as at the start. If we had a few more in the team like that we would wear teams down.
I remember Gary Neville once saying he came up against many players who were quicker than him but mid way through games they couldn't beat him for pace due of his endurance levels.
We need more of this athleticism in the team next season in my opinion at RB and midfield hopefully allied to some technical ability.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 1, 2022 16:16:03 GMT
Bit harsh Bayern. I don’t think he’s delusional, at least in the psychological sense. I think it’s more he’s just in over his head - and knows it. He seemed to fully expect to get the boot at one point towards the end of last season and when it didn’t happen he thought OK, I guess the bosses are fine with the way things are, I’ll just carry on collecting my pay check. I think the people who are delusional are the ones that think we’re only a returning Souttar and a slimmed down Campbell away from a competitive team. The lack of those two factors last season had little bearing on how MON set up the team and how he asked them to play, which was god-awful. I don’t see any reason whatsoever that the coming season will be any different, that is until the happy-clappers begin finally to see what’s in front of their noses and the atmosphere in the stadium becomes so toxic that Idiot John decides he’d better do something. And what’s the chances of him doing something that improves matters? Not good. I think he’s fully delusional tbh. I’m not sure how he can say that and believe it and I think he does. I’ve never got the feeling he felt under pressure either tbh. He knows he’s not. That’s the biggest worry for me. Him and the board are absolutely useless.
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Post by Sfance on Jun 1, 2022 16:26:43 GMT
I still don't agree. I think he knows perfectly well what's he's doing. When he comes up with all his explanations and excuses, he doesn't believe it for a minute. He knows it's just blather. Like anyone who is forced, because of their job to make public explanations for their behavior.
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Post by mowlee on Jun 1, 2022 16:46:41 GMT
One big thing for me is that mon never blames himself for anything
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2022 17:39:22 GMT
One big thing for me is that mon never blames himself for anything He's in good company then. I've never known a successful football manager do anything of the sort.
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Post by mowlee on Jun 1, 2022 18:28:15 GMT
One big thing for me is that mon never blames himself for anything He's in good company then. I've never known a successful football manager do anything of the sort. mons not a successful manager tho is he
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2022 19:09:03 GMT
He's in good company then. I've never known a successful football manager do anything of the sort. mons not a successful manager tho is he I never said he was.
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Post by thevoid on Jun 1, 2022 19:42:51 GMT
Most of it fairly reasonable with a slight undercurrent of 'nothing to do with me, guv'. The most worrying bit was his analysis that we dropped points from leading positions away from home because we were too positive rather than resolving just not to lose. If that's actually what he thinks then that's a striking misdiagnosis and suggests another long old season ahead. I also don't quite know how you go from wanting to sign Keinan Davis to signing Sam Surridge, that sounds very scattergun. Getting excuses in for going more defensive next season, should be fun He doesn't know any other way
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jun 1, 2022 20:19:55 GMT
Delusional idiot. Just sack him. Why don’t you apply for DoF, Head of recruitment, Manager, 1st team coach, Head of performance etc. etc. Have I missed anything because you seem know more about “every aspect of football” than anyone I’ve ever known. The professional game is certainly missing out
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 1, 2022 20:22:43 GMT
Delusional idiot. Just sack him. Why don’t you apply for DoF, Head of recruitment, Manager, 1st team coach, Head of performance etc. etc. Have I missed anything because you seem know more about “every aspect of football” than anyone I’ve ever known. The professional game is certainly missing out I agree.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jun 1, 2022 20:29:12 GMT
For season 2022/23....see Season 2021/22 And Season 2020/21
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 1, 2022 21:02:55 GMT
Getting excuses in for going more defensive next season, should be fun He doesn't know any other way The frustrating thing is he does, he kept us up doing it, he just doesn't want to for god knows what reason.
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Post by xchpotter on Jun 1, 2022 21:48:24 GMT
He doesn't know any other way The frustrating thing is he does, he kept us up doing it, he just doesn't want to for god knows what reason. Would you give up a well paid job where the bosses don’t seem to care or hold you to account over performance? I know I wouldn’t.
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Post by thevoid on Jun 1, 2022 22:21:11 GMT
He doesn't know any other way The frustrating thing is he does, he kept us up doing it, he just doesn't want to for god knows what reason. Because he felt his hand was forced then as he needed results sharpish? Since then he's just reverted to type
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Post by Pirate on Jun 2, 2022 6:37:32 GMT
Reading that interview you would think the results & performances have nothing to do with him at all, its all outside influences & financial/injury problems that no other team has.
Always makes me chuckle when he references Powells injury as a major blow but never picks him in his best position, Bursiks injury as a blow yet doesn't pick him at all when he is available
Also nice to hear that Surrige wasnt the no1 target as we were told at the time, the guy we really wanted was Keinan Davies , who just happend to have a steller half season at Forest
As for the being to adventurous garbage, thats just farcical, 4th lowest XG in the division wasnt it?
You would have to be a loon to expect anything other than same again next season, especially as he seems obsessed with getting the band back together.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 2, 2022 7:31:10 GMT
Part 2 of the MON interview
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Post by neddy on Jun 2, 2022 7:46:48 GMT
Crikey it maybe factual his commentary but it is hardly inspiring is it? I know we don’t need over promising success but it could be a bit more upbeat?
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Post by iamstokie on Jun 2, 2022 7:47:09 GMT
Part 2 of the MON interview That really doesn’t fill me with hope , and as going forward with the two goal keepers contending for a starting place 🤦♂️🤦♂️
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jun 2, 2022 7:47:39 GMT
Reading that interview you would think the results & performances have nothing to do with him at all, its all outside influences & financial/injury problems that no other team has. Always makes me chuckle when he references Powells injury as a major blow but never picks him in his best position, Bursiks injury as a blow yet doesn't pick him at all when he is available Also nice to hear that Surrige wasnt the no1 target as we were told at the time, the guy we really wanted was Keinan Davies , who just happend to have a steller half season at Forest As for the being to adventurous garbage, thats just farcical, 4th lowest XG in the division wasnt it? You would have to be a loon to expect anything other than same again next season, especially as he seems obsessed with getting the band back together. I think the detachment from reality kicked in last Winter colonel Kurtz style
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jun 2, 2022 7:54:06 GMT
From reading that I expect Conor Taylor will be spending another season at bristol rovers
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 2, 2022 7:55:48 GMT
Part 2 of the MON interview That really doesn’t fill me with hope , and as going forward with the two goal keepers contending for a starting place 🤦♂️🤦♂️ He does indicate there'll be another keeper coming in as well though (and doesn't mention Fielding) I think he goes a bit strong on the 'woe is me' card financially being as the rest of the division is in exactly the same boat
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 2, 2022 7:56:34 GMT
Crikey it maybe factual his commentary but it is hardly inspiring is it? I know we don’t need over promising success but it could be a bit more upbeat? Lack of energy runs through everything we do it’s a massive issue in the modern game the successful all transmit energy especially at this level where it can make a huge difference
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