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Post by questionable on May 8, 2022 17:11:15 GMT
Unfortunately our co-chairman seems to wear that sash with pride. Not sure where the anti John Coates thing comes from. He’s by far our best hope for future success. What is it about him that makes people think his Father is superior. The club is run by the family in a very old fashioned way and with very strange ideas about what type of football is likely to find success in this era. The taking against John specifically is pretty odd. I know people who know them and, well erm you won’t be hearing off Peter and as for the idiot son 🤡🤡
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Post by questionable on May 8, 2022 17:17:03 GMT
MON "must be a great talker" to remain in post says Nixon. A good relationship between manager and owner is good, but it becomes a bit of a problem when it gets too cosy This coming from a board that had the audacity to contact Lambert and then sat down with a pint saying how some bloke at bet365 talked them into employing Jones, if it was another team I’d be pissing myself. They’re totally responsible for this shit show
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Post by Staffsoatcake on May 8, 2022 17:21:14 GMT
Yes he had to win games to get us out of the shit we were in,he succeeded,but you have to win games to get promoted,so why not carry on the way he started? I think it’s just his nature and his experience. He’s a cautious manager who for the majority of his meaningful managerial experience managed Northern Ireland where trying to avoid getting tonked was the order of the day. It’s not a mentality that translates well into orchestrating an automatic promotion push. I think he and a lot of fans would be absolutely made up with the play offs and they shouldn’t be. Agree he was the underdog at N/Ireland, but like I said, he had us attacking teams when he first came in, but then he reverted to the underdog for some reason.
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Post by southcoaststokie on May 8, 2022 17:41:38 GMT
In Jamaica at the moment, and everyone here loves our manager, there all going around saying Yeahhh Mon , I’ll get my coat, but it’s too hot 😀
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Post by march4 on May 8, 2022 17:47:24 GMT
he will get the start of next I should imagine, the fans will turn pretty quickly if we start losing If or when?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 8, 2022 17:52:28 GMT
he will get the start of next I should imagine, the fans will turn pretty quickly if we start losing If or when? Thing is a good start means not a lot either none of the play off teams started particularly well , it’s like a horse race the winners of the play off lottery seem to come from the middle of the pack in the autumn , only the top 2 need a decent start and I think we can forget that even now
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Post by march4 on May 8, 2022 17:54:32 GMT
Thing is a good start means not a lot either none of the play off teams started particularly well , it’s like a horse race the winners of the play off lottery seem to come from the middle of the pack in the autumn , only the top 2 need a decent start and I think we can forget that even now I suspect Norwich will be Champions.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 8, 2022 17:55:44 GMT
Thing is a good start means not a lot either none of the play off teams started particularly well , it’s like a horse race the winners of the play off lottery seem to come from the middle of the pack in the autumn , only the top 2 need a decent start and I think we can forget that even now I suspect Norwich will be Champions. Certainly likely to be 2 of the three who come down who go back up automatically
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Post by xchpotter on May 8, 2022 18:06:05 GMT
I suspect Norwich will be Champions. Certainly likely to be 2 of the three who come down who go back up automatically If that does turn out to be the case, then including more recently Fulham and Bournemouth, it appears it hasn’t been an impossible task getting promoted back to the Premier League within a couple of seasons. I don’t dispute the club gave it a go based purely on the money they wasted on players, but perhaps they should have looked at a better manager from the off who had a pedigree and knew what they were doing. Still, I guess they are learning from those mistakes.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 8, 2022 18:16:10 GMT
Certainly likely to be 2 of the three who come down who go back up automatically If that does turn out to be the case, then including more recently Fulham and Bournemouth, it appears it hasn’t been an impossible task getting promoted back to the Premier League within a couple of seasons. I don’t dispute the club gave it a go based purely on the money they wasted on players, but perhaps they should have looked at a better manager from the off who had a pedigree and knew what they were doing. Still, I guess they are learning from those mistakes. Absolutely that was the call at the time we head hunted a bloke that had never been promoted lunacy
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Post by northernstokie on May 8, 2022 18:28:43 GMT
Thing is a good start means not a lot either none of the play off teams started particularly well , it’s like a horse race the winners of the play off lottery seem to come from the middle of the pack in the autumn , only the top 2 need a decent start and I think we can forget that even now I suspect Norwich will be Champions. You mean runners up after we wipe the floor with this league next season.
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Post by mrcoke on May 8, 2022 18:30:16 GMT
Certainly likely to be 2 of the three who come down who go back up automatically If that does turn out to be the case, then including more recently Fulham and Bournemouth, it appears it hasn’t been an impossible task getting promoted back to the Premier League within a couple of seasons. I don’t dispute the club gave it a go based purely on the money they wasted on players, but perhaps they should have looked at a better manager from the off who had a pedigree and knew what they were doing. Still, I guess they are learning from those mistakes. Surely there were two issues when we got relegated A number of players were past it and Hughes failed to replace successfully in key positions . The players Hughes did bring in may or may not have been talented but almost all, with the odd exception like Allen, had a terrible attitude and no dedication. There was no way we would go back up with that squad which Rowett managed to spend £50m on and make worse!
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Post by kidcrewbob on May 8, 2022 20:33:30 GMT
he will get the start of next I should imagine, the fans will turn pretty quickly if we start losing Like many did this season when he delivered a diabolical run of results that would have seen him sacked at any other club..........
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Post by Sfance on May 8, 2022 20:48:53 GMT
Certainly likely to be 2 of the three who come down who go back up automatically If that does turn out to be the case, then including more recently Fulham and Bournemouth, it appears it hasn’t been an impossible task getting promoted back to the Premier League within a couple of seasons. I don’t dispute the club gave it a go based purely on the money they wasted on players, but perhaps they should have looked at a better manager from the off who had a pedigree and knew what they were doing. Still, I guess they are learning from those mistakes. If you have any evidence, even the tiniest bit, that anyone at the club is “learning from those mistakes,” I’d love to hear it.
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Post by independent on May 8, 2022 23:44:27 GMT
If I followed a different club and read all the moaning on here I would wish that MON and the Coates both left the club and see how happy all the moaners are then. Everton fans don't moan as much (my brother-in-law is a toffee) and the last time they were not in the top division was 70 years ago. Why do these moaners feel so entitled. We are roughly the same size as Leicester and you can see the decline there in the last 5 years.
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Post by independent on May 8, 2022 23:53:34 GMT
My niece is married to a Sheffield Utd. fan and he doesn't think that they are entitled to be in the Premier League. Tho' he did bemoan the loss of Wilder who he rated highly. However it remains to be seen if he can be successful with Middlesbrough. Norwich's manager hasn't done all that well since leaving Villa. Funny that I have never heard anyone suggest that we should approach him, a manager with a record of getting a club promoted from the Championship.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 9, 2022 5:54:52 GMT
And where do you think his guidance for the task comes from? They’re good owners in that they’re willing to subsidise the losses of the club but as far as running a football club, piss ups and breweries spring to mind for some reason. FFS Coates’ just bring someone in who knows what they’re doing to run the overall football strategy because you just don’t have one beyond hit and hope. Granted they’re willing to back THEIR choice of manager. Does that mean that they’re not accountable when things go wrong? At what stage should the football manager have to deliver the entire footballing strategy? They’re primarily responsible for coaching the players and instilling tactics. Can you honestly say your happy with what you’ve witnessed since relegation from the Premier League? I’m not and it seems a large section of the fan base aren’t either. To me that make Coates (Snr or Jnr) accountable. We obviously have differing views on where the buck stops in regards of our abject failure in attempting to gain promotion but at no stage have I said I’m anti-Coates. I think they’re hopeless at running the football club and wish they’d remove themselves from footballing decisions but if they won’t we’ll just have to accept that as they’re still our best hope of success. I just don’t get how a bloke who’s taken us to the third tier twice out of three times in our history is ok but his far wealthier Son is an idiot. John is worth more and is far younger so is able to provide more money which is all they’re any good at.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 9, 2022 7:28:56 GMT
My niece is married to a Sheffield Utd. fan and he doesn't think that they are entitled to be in the Premier League. Tho' he did bemoan the loss of Wilder who he rated highly. However it remains to be seen if he can be successful with Middlesbrough. Norwich's manager hasn't done all that well since leaving Villa. Funny that I have never heard anyone suggest that we should approach him, a manager with a record of getting a club promoted from the Championship. Maybe because he's been a Premier League manager until recently and will be with one of the favourites for promotion next season, and any overtures to him would have been laughed out of the room immediately?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 9, 2022 7:30:30 GMT
If I followed a different club and read all the moaning on here I would wish that MON and the Coates both left the club and see how happy all the moaners are then. Everton fans don't moan as much (my brother-in-law is a toffee) and the last time they were not in the top division was 70 years ago. Why do these moaners feel so entitled. We are roughly the same size as Leicester and you can see the decline there in the last 5 years. First, Everton fans are notorious for moaning, Goodison when things aren't going well is well known as one of the most toxic atmospheres around. Second, what 'entitlement' are you on about? Is it really entitled to think we might do better than 14 and not continually mismanage things at most levels?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on May 9, 2022 9:18:54 GMT
If I followed a different club and read all the moaning on here I would wish that MON and the Coates both left the club and see how happy all the moaners are then. Everton fans don't moan as much (my brother-in-law is a toffee) and the last time they were not in the top division was 70 years ago. Why do these moaners feel so entitled. We are roughly the same size as Leicester and you can see the decline there in the last 5 years. First, Everton fans are notorious for moaning, Goodison when things aren't going well is notoriously one of the most toxic atmospheres around. Second, what 'entitlement' are you on about? Is it really entitled to think we might do better than 14 and not continually mismanage things at most levels? Hey TA Do you definitely want him out, or would you be prepared to give him till Christmas I’ve been pinning my hopes on Souttar and Powell being back to their best for next season and if that’s the case I think we can be competitive but after Barnsley and last Saturday I’m not really arsed if he went now, although I’m scared to think who’d they’d replace him with
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2022 9:22:34 GMT
If I followed a different club and read all the moaning on here I would wish that MON and the Coates both left the club and see how happy all the moaners are then. Everton fans don't moan as much (my brother-in-law is a toffee) and the last time they were not in the top division was 70 years ago. Why do these moaners feel so entitled. We are roughly the same size as Leicester and you can see the decline there in the last 5 years. First, Everton fans are notorious for moaning, Goodison when things aren't going well is notoriously one of the most toxic atmospheres around. Second, what 'entitlement' are you on about? Is it really entitled to think we might do better than 14 and not continually mismanage things at most levels? You're entitled to what you put in. Which recently has been fuck all.
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Post by thehoof on May 9, 2022 9:23:38 GMT
If I followed a different club and read all the moaning on here I would wish that MON and the Coates both left the club and see how happy all the moaners are then. Everton fans don't moan as much (my brother-in-law is a toffee) and the last time they were not in the top division was 70 years ago. Why do these moaners feel so entitled. We are roughly the same size as Leicester and you can see the decline there in the last 5 years. You mean winning the FA cup and reaching the semi- finals of a European competition? I think I’d settle for declining to that level.
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Post by thewonderstuff on May 9, 2022 9:34:59 GMT
First, Everton fans are notorious for moaning, Goodison when things aren't going well is notoriously one of the most toxic atmospheres around. Second, what 'entitlement' are you on about? Is it really entitled to think we might do better than 14 and not continually mismanage things at most levels? Hey TA Do you definitely want him out, or would you be prepared to give him till Christmas I’ve been pinning my hopes on Souttar and Powell being back to their best for next season and if that’s the case I think we can be competitive but after Barnsley and last Saturday I’m not really arsed if he went now, although I’m scared to think who’d they’d replace him with Giving him until Christmas would be mad. If there doubts about him which there clearly are, use this natural break to maximise the opportunity. The new manager gets a full pre season, the players he wants and the club gets a complete fresh start. If we keep him and it goes the way that most fear, in the autumn the new manager is immediately pushing water up hill and we're even further away from the goal. Additionally, O'Neil leaves now with most people's best wishes, it didn't work out but shit happens and he tried his best. If we are bottom half in mid November he goes away under a cloud of abuse and his reputation properly tarnished. The time is now. It's in everyone's and the clubs best interests.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 9, 2022 9:56:13 GMT
First, Everton fans are notorious for moaning, Goodison when things aren't going well is notoriously one of the most toxic atmospheres around. Second, what 'entitlement' are you on about? Is it really entitled to think we might do better than 14 and not continually mismanage things at most levels? Hey TA Do you definitely want him out, or would you be prepared to give him till Christmas I’ve been pinning my hopes on Souttar and Powell being back to their best for next season and if that’s the case I think we can be competitive but after Barnsley and last Saturday I’m not really arsed if he went now, although I’m scared to think who’d they’d replace him with Ideally I'd like us to make a change - the overall dreariness and muddle of our approach and bad game management is something I don't see improving even if we do recruit well in the summer. I don't have much confidence in us making a decent job of the succession, but at this point I'd probably rather roll the dice than accept another year of this sludge.
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Post by shrewspotter on May 9, 2022 10:06:14 GMT
I like the guy but id be moving him on and doing it now.
You have to look at results throughout the whole season and they have just not been up to scratch, 14th place is not moving forward, we should have been top 6 minimum or at least up there but we are constantly outplayed and in particular at home
We have the players,but MoN use is baffling sometimes. We get DWP in the side and he is firing, he is then dropped and only seen now and again, Bursik has been poorly managed in my opinion, both fullbacks have proved that they cant play full backs and the one he brings in isn't good enough. Vrancic starts well then goes off the boil, Baker the same, Harwood-Bellis, Bidace, Wilmot all the same too.
In my opinion this means things are not going right on the training ground, 75% of players come to Stoke, start well then deteriorate where at other teams they thrive like Surridge at Forest, McClean and even Vokes is doing well albeit a league below!
He seems tactically inept, other managers seem to read how games are panning out and make tactical changes, even Nathan Jones out foxed him whilst the game was going on, hence why we have lost the lead so many times, but we never seem to do it to anyone else, we seem clueless and frozen whilst this happens, unable to react and make rational decisions in the heat of the moment
We however cant overlook the mess the took on, trying to work his way through over rated and over paid players has been difficult and he deserves credit for this, i think he did well to move on Vokes, McClean, Ince, Etebo, N'Diaye, Afobe and Woods albeit getting nothing in return but did well all the same. and he has done well in bringing on the younger players such as Campbell, Brown, Tymon, Souttar and DWP, plus there is more to come from Forrester, Taylor, Sparrow and Bursik (maybe)
His incoming transfer record isn't great, Fox, Chester, Duhaney, Clarke, Matondo, Gunn, Doughty, Ostigard, Surridge, Sima, and Oakley Booth all flopped on the whole with only Brown, Baker and Jagielka coming out in credit and the rest a bit average. So a succes rate in the transfer market of around 1 in 3 or 4 is very poor. Good manager usually get around 60-70% right, great managers even more
But all in all you must be judges on the season and yet again its been disappointing, for the reasons stated I think its time for a new direction be it Mowbray, Farke, Bilic (not my preference!) or someone like Robins
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Post by stokeoptimist on May 9, 2022 10:48:53 GMT
If I followed a different club and read all the moaning on here I would wish that MON and the Coates both left the club and see how happy all the moaners are then. Everton fans don't moan as much (my brother-in-law is a toffee) and the last time they were not in the top division was 70 years ago. Why do these moaners feel so entitled. We are roughly the same size as Leicester and you can see the decline there in the last 5 years. They should also take a long look at clubs like Sunderland, Bolton, Ipswich and maybe get a sense of perspective!
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 9, 2022 11:07:15 GMT
If I followed a different club and read all the moaning on here I would wish that MON and the Coates both left the club and see how happy all the moaners are then. Everton fans don't moan as much (my brother-in-law is a toffee) and the last time they were not in the top division was 70 years ago. Why do these moaners feel so entitled. We are roughly the same size as Leicester and you can see the decline there in the last 5 years. They should also take a long look at clubs like Sunderland, Bolton, Ipswich and maybe get a sense of perspective! You forgot Charlton. Yawn.
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Post by cvillestokie on May 9, 2022 11:17:39 GMT
Thing is a good start means not a lot either none of the play off teams started particularly well , it’s like a horse race the winners of the play off lottery seem to come from the middle of the pack in the autumn , only the top 2 need a decent start and I think we can forget that even now I suspect Norwich will be Champions. I'm not as sure this time around. Pukki has just turned 32; it will be interesting to see if he can have another great season at this level.
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Post by independent on May 9, 2022 11:26:26 GMT
" The new manager gets a full pre season, the players he wants and the club gets a complete fresh start." IS THIS A JOKE? I just hope that he doesn't want Haaland.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 9, 2022 11:32:25 GMT
" The new manager gets a full pre season, the players he wants and the club gets a complete fresh start." IS THIS A JOKE? I just hope that he doesn't want Haaland. He gets the players he wants in the sense that he gets to put his recruitment plans and strategy in place rather than being lumbered with those of the previous regime.
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