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Post by Gary Hackett on Mar 20, 2022 0:25:39 GMT
Maybe he'll make a better RB than central defender.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 20, 2022 0:33:19 GMT
He had an excellent game today, his running and forward passing was excellent. He loves a battle too! Didn't miss a header and loves to get stuck in.I think if he can iron out the mistakes in his game,then he will have a successful career. I wonder if we can get him on loan again next season? Doubt he’s EPL standard yet, certainly no game at Man City
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Post by hyaduck on Mar 20, 2022 0:38:43 GMT
Poor player so is Moore!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2022 0:39:33 GMT
He loves a battle too! Didn't miss a header and loves to get stuck in.I think if he can iron out the mistakes in his game,then he will have a successful career. I wonder if we can get him on loan again next season? Doubt he’s EPL standard yet, certainly no game at Man City For sure. Shawcross made plenty of errors when first on loan. Part of the learning process and a physical league. Was a lot calmer today
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 20, 2022 0:49:14 GMT
He loves a battle too! Didn't miss a header and loves to get stuck in.I think if he can iron out the mistakes in his game,then he will have a successful career. I wonder if we can get him on loan again next season? Doubt he’s EPL standard yet, certainly no game at Man City Hopefully not, one game doesn't change anything.
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Post by NassauDave on Mar 20, 2022 3:21:34 GMT
Much better at right back. Who knew?
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Post by shakermaker on Mar 20, 2022 17:07:15 GMT
Much better at right back. Who knew? Very promising indeed, but let’s not get ahead of ourselves. Taylor had a couple of good games at CD as well. One swallow doesn’t make a summer. If 2 out of his next 4 appearances at RB were to be as competent as yesterday, then we should definitely try and get him back for next season.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 24, 2022 10:39:17 GMT
Interestingly his overall stats are good, the issue has been the obvious mistakes that have led to goals but on the flip side to that he's a young lad learning his trade:
5th in the league for transitions (The period between regaining possession and moving it away from pressure or establishing possession) - 8.61 per 1000 opposition touches 3rd in the league for open play sequence starts (passages of play which belong to one team and are ended by defensive actions) - 25.56 per 1000 opposition touches 2nd in the league for interceptions (3.29 per 1000 opposition touches) 6th in the league for recoveries (13.03 per 1000 opposition touches) 1st in the league for blocks (7.32 per 1000 opposition touches)
Suggests someone who reads the game well, I would be tempted to take him for another season if he's available I think he could be a decent option alongside Souttar.............
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Post by lordb on Mar 24, 2022 11:39:40 GMT
Interestingly his overall stats are good, the issue has been the obvious mistakes that have led to goals but on the flip side to that he's a young lad learning his trade: 5th in the league for transitions (The period between regaining possession and moving it away from pressure or establishing possession) - 8.61 per 1000 opposition touches 3rd in the league for open play sequence starts (passages of play which belong to one team and are ended by defensive actions) - 25.56 per 1000 opposition touches 2nd in the league for interceptions (3.29 per 1000 opposition touches) 6th in the league for recoveries (13.03 per 1000 opposition touches) 1st in the league for blocks (7.32 per 1000 opposition touches) Suggests someone who reads the game well, I would be tempted to take him for another season if he's available I think he could be a decent option alongside Souttar............. so if he can cut out/reduce drastically the howlers he's a good defender ....& if he can't he isn't! as you say young player
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 24, 2022 12:09:39 GMT
Interestingly his overall stats are good, the issue has been the obvious mistakes that have led to goals but on the flip side to that he's a young lad learning his trade: 5th in the league for transitions (The period between regaining possession and moving it away from pressure or establishing possession) - 8.61 per 1000 opposition touches 3rd in the league for open play sequence starts (passages of play which belong to one team and are ended by defensive actions) - 25.56 per 1000 opposition touches 2nd in the league for interceptions (3.29 per 1000 opposition touches) 6th in the league for recoveries (13.03 per 1000 opposition touches) 1st in the league for blocks (7.32 per 1000 opposition touches) Suggests someone who reads the game well, I would be tempted to take him for another season if he's available I think he could be a decent option alongside Souttar............. so if he can cut out/reduce drastically the howlers he's a good defender ....& if he can't he isn't! as you say young player More though, he looks like a young player who isn’t ready. In many of the games he’s played, he’s made errors that have led to game changing goals. Our defence was a lot sturdier without him.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 24, 2022 12:39:08 GMT
so if he can cut out/reduce drastically the howlers he's a good defender ....& if he can't he isn't! as you say young player More though, he looks like a young player who isn’t ready. In many of the games he’s played, he’s made errors that have led to game changing goals. Our defence was a lot sturdier without him. What errors has he made that have lead to goals?
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Post by lordb on Mar 24, 2022 12:58:16 GMT
More though, he looks like a young player who isn’t ready. In many of the games he’s played, he’s made errors that have led to game changing goals. Our defence was a lot sturdier without him. What errors has he made that have lead to goals? Blues equaliser Cardiff second goal gave the ball straight to them
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 24, 2022 13:06:03 GMT
More though, he looks like a young player who isn’t ready. In many of the games he’s played, he’s made errors that have led to game changing goals. Our defence was a lot sturdier without him. What errors has he made that have lead to goals? I try to forget as much as I can from games that we’ve lost otherwise I’m just miserable. But one has been highlighted (above) and I am very sure I’ve commented on individual match day threads since his arrival about these errors. I really don’t like him to be honest.
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Post by Squeekster on Mar 24, 2022 13:53:33 GMT
What errors has he made that have lead to goals? Blues equaliser Cardiff second goal gave the ball straight to them And the Coventry goal as well he passed it straight to them and they scored.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Mar 24, 2022 14:00:44 GMT
Interestingly his overall stats are good, the issue has been the obvious mistakes that have led to goals but on the flip side to that he's a young lad learning his trade: 5th in the league for transitions (The period between regaining possession and moving it away from pressure or establishing possession) - 8.61 per 1000 opposition touches 3rd in the league for open play sequence starts (passages of play which belong to one team and are ended by defensive actions) - 25.56 per 1000 opposition touches 2nd in the league for interceptions (3.29 per 1000 opposition touches) 6th in the league for recoveries (13.03 per 1000 opposition touches) 1st in the league for blocks (7.32 per 1000 opposition touches) Suggests someone who reads the game well, I would be tempted to take him for another season if he's available I think he could be a decent option alongside Souttar............. Absolutely no clue what those first two stats are meant to represent. From the very very little I do understand I’m confused why they’d be per 1000 opposition touches?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 24, 2022 15:28:01 GMT
Interestingly his overall stats are good, the issue has been the obvious mistakes that have led to goals but on the flip side to that he's a young lad learning his trade: 5th in the league for transitions (The period between regaining possession and moving it away from pressure or establishing possession) - 8.61 per 1000 opposition touches 3rd in the league for open play sequence starts (passages of play which belong to one team and are ended by defensive actions) - 25.56 per 1000 opposition touches 2nd in the league for interceptions (3.29 per 1000 opposition touches) 6th in the league for recoveries (13.03 per 1000 opposition touches) 1st in the league for blocks (7.32 per 1000 opposition touches) Suggests someone who reads the game well, I would be tempted to take him for another season if he's available I think he could be a decent option alongside Souttar............. Absolutely no clue what those first two stats are meant to represent. From the very very little I do understand I’m confused why they’d be per 1000 opposition touches? It was the same site as the stats used by FullerMagic in the "O'Neill out" thread, that's their metric. Don't fully understand the first two if I'm honest as they both look similar but it's essentially turning over possession from the opposition and starting a new phase of play (I think )
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 24, 2022 15:52:41 GMT
Overall i like him.
The mistakes are clearly an issue but he’s young. He’s got to learn from them.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Mar 24, 2022 15:55:37 GMT
Souttar, Wilmot, THB and Forrester wouldn’t be a bad four to choose from in the Championship.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Mar 24, 2022 16:23:51 GMT
Souttar, Wilmot, THB and Forrester wouldn’t be a bad four to choose from in the Championship. Need some experience in there
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Post by Veritas on Mar 24, 2022 16:28:50 GMT
Souttar, Wilmot, THB and Forrester wouldn’t be a bad four to choose from in the Championship. Need some experience in there Wages allowing Moore would be a good addition and even Jagielka, wages and legs allowing.
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Post by biglad180 on Mar 24, 2022 16:49:14 GMT
young lad needs games another 12 month loan will see him improve, i remember seen that Dan Berne play as a youngster he was given the run around down here,now he as made a big move to newcastle,give these young lads a chance before people destroy them, also we should try to get Bidace for another 12 months
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 24, 2022 17:15:35 GMT
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Post by lordb on Mar 24, 2022 17:17:31 GMT
young lad needs games another 12 month loan will see him improve, i remember seen that Dan Berne play as a youngster he was given the run around down here,now he as made a big move to newcastle,give these young lads a chance before people destroy them, also we should try to get Bidace for another 12 months It's a good argument would prefer to see Forrester & Taylor, own own promising players, given a chance myself however maybe one of those could do with a league 1 loan for another year?
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Post by nonameface on Mar 24, 2022 18:27:39 GMT
Interestingly his overall stats are good, the issue has been the obvious mistakes that have led to goals but on the flip side to that he's a young lad learning his trade: 5th in the league for transitions (The period between regaining possession and moving it away from pressure or establishing possession) - 8.61 per 1000 opposition touches 3rd in the league for open play sequence starts (passages of play which belong to one team and are ended by defensive actions) - 25.56 per 1000 opposition touches 2nd in the league for interceptions (3.29 per 1000 opposition touches) 6th in the league for recoveries (13.03 per 1000 opposition touches) 1st in the league for blocks (7.32 per 1000 opposition touches) Suggests someone who reads the game well, I would be tempted to take him for another season if he's available I think he could be a decent option alongside Souttar............. A back three of Wilmot, Souttar and H-B would definitely be a progressive playing backline. Just massively need Souttar to be fit and dominant as he was prior to his injury.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 24, 2022 19:12:29 GMT
What errors has he made that have lead to goals? I try to forget as much as I can from games that we’ve lost otherwise I’m just miserable. But one has been highlighted (above) and I am very sure I’ve commented on individual match day threads since his arrival about these errors. I really don’t like him to be honest. Yes I could only remember the Cardiff cock up. Still can’t remember the Blues and Cov ones despite being at both. Old age obviously. I do like him despite the mistakes. He looked much better at right back. Far more comfortable than I expected.
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Post by biglad180 on Mar 25, 2022 12:12:30 GMT
if we can get him for another 12 months on loan he will get better no use sitting in man citys reserves, if not i think we may have a jem on our own door step in Conner Taylor, time to let the lad to try and make the step up next season,
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 25, 2022 19:04:30 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 25, 2022 19:16:45 GMT
Nice little honour for the lad is that some big name players in the team (yes not as big as his before someone jumps in)......
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Post by Rick Grimes on Mar 25, 2022 21:24:01 GMT
I’m on the fence about him.
I thought he played really well at right back but ultimately Millwall were awful so I don’t think we can read much into it.
At centre back I think he’s a bit weak defensively and that his ability on the ball probably isn’t good enough to make up for the defensive deficiencies, especially when he’s making mistakes like the one against Cardiff.
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Post by lordb on Mar 25, 2022 21:52:04 GMT
I’m on the fence about him. I thought he played really well at right back but ultimately Millwall were awful so I don’t think we can read much into it. At centre back I think he’s a bit weak defensively and that his ability on the ball probably isn’t good enough to make up for the defensive deficiencies, especially when he’s making mistakes like the one against Cardiff. However young defenders tend to go one of two ways, they learn and reduce the errors and go on to have a top level career or they don't and drop through the leagues Edit: so I'm on the same fence
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