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Post by desman2 on Aug 11, 2024 12:07:17 GMT
The problem Russia has is that it has to defend a large territory against possible aggressors. Ukraine doesn't. No one is going to threaten Ukraine from anywhere other than Russia. Once you try to use the weight of numbers tactic and it fails, you will reach a point of not having the numbers any more. Most of that lovely shiny hardware that they used to roll out for it's mayday parades is now a crumpled mass of junk in Ukrainian fields.
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Post by emretezzy on Aug 11, 2024 12:17:13 GMT
I heard on the news yesterday that Putin is emptying his jails and sending them to the front line. He's done this before but he must be desperate to do it again. OS. I'd back the 4 elite bridgaes of Ukraine in Russia to take out 5,000 convicts with no training quite comfortably.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 11, 2024 13:00:21 GMT
The problem Russia has is that it has to defend a large territory against possible aggressors. Ukraine doesn't. No one is going to threaten Ukraine from anywhere other than Russia. Once you try to use the weight of numbers tactic and it fails, you will reach a point of not having the numbers any more. Most of that lovely shiny hardware that they used to roll out for it's mayday parades is now a crumpled mass of junk in Ukrainian fields. I don't think russia is under any threat though? And russia knows it, the other borders have seemingly been stripped even barer, most of the long-range air defence is gone from the NATO borders and east of the Urals. It seems they miscalculated what Ukraine was willing to do in Kursk though. (I'm still nervous that this will backfire and be very costly, but it's seemingly started pretty well at least)
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 11, 2024 17:24:03 GMT
This guy is smart and doesn't seem positive about the Kursk situation.
Unless Ukraine manages more quick breakthroughs or can rapidly set up very favourable defences then it could just turn into another slog that Ukraine can't afford.
Anders Puck Nielsen, another smart guy I follow says that Ukraine genuinely think Russia will run out of steam in their offensive soon and Ukraine is scared they'll take a break. If Ukraine can dig into kursk, then Russia can't take a break because Putin will demand they counterattack.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 11, 2024 21:03:06 GMT
More surrendering russian pics/video.
Source says 29 taken by this unit in the first days.
This might be the same lot as seen in some other videos, but another source said there were "over 100" in "more than one surrender". Another video showed ~40 surrendering... Which is more than 29 so must be a different event?
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 11, 2024 21:08:22 GMT
This guy is smart and doesn't seem positive about the Kursk situation. Unless Ukraine manages more quick breakthroughs or can rapidly set up very favourable defences then it could just turn into another slog that Ukraine can't afford. Anders Puck Nielsen, another smart guy I follow says that Ukraine genuinely think Russia will run out of steam in their offensive soon and Ukraine is scared they'll take a break. If Ukraine can dig into kursk, then Russia can't take a break because Putin will demand they counterattack. I've seen a couple of suggestions elsewhere and I've no idea if they're remotely accurate, but you might have more idea than me? One suggestion is that this is a reprise of 2022, where there was a Ukrainian counteroffensive in Kherson that got quickly bogged down as Russia raced to move troops over there to plug the gap. Ukraine then launched a surprise counteroffensive in the North, taking back a ton of land. Another suggestion that I've seen is that this is akin to the Battle of the Bulge in WW2 or the Ludendorff Offensive in WW1 - a last throw of the dice to try and force a resolution before impending doom. I suppose that in this case, the doom could be the US election in November.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 11, 2024 21:25:40 GMT
One suggestion is that this is a reprise of 2022, where there was a Ukrainian counteroffensive in Kherson that got quickly bogged down as Russia raced to move troops over there to plug the gap. Ukraine then launched a surprise counteroffensive in the North, taking back a ton of land. Another suggestion that I've seen is that this is akin to the Battle of the Bulge in WW2 or the Ludendorff Offensive in WW1 - a last throw of the dice to try and force a resolution before impending doom. I suppose that in this case, the doom could be the US election in November. I honestly don't know mate, here are some things to think about though. 1. The go north then somewhere else - unless there are secret deliveries we don't know about, there is very little Ukrainian armour that I haven't seen fighting recently. Polish Rosomaks and Nordic CV-90s only I think. Which would be ~3 brigades worth. Is there enough in reserve? (TBF, Kursk seemed a stretch to me too so who knows! Maybe there are 1k BMPs waiting) 2. Battle of the bulge - Ukraine is about to get a surge of manpower and ammo while Russia has used up loads. Ukraine's manpower would have to be way worse than I fear for a bulge situation. 3. From this there's another theory. Maybe Ukraine realises russia is going to run out of steam soon. Then they'd dig in and prepare for next year's attack. Ukraine needs to keep Russia attacking and bleeding, so if they dig into Kursk maybe Putin will force russia to keep attacking all winter just for the principle of it. This makes sense to me if Ukraine can dig in. Just some thoughts because I'm confused af about this.
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Post by hcstokie on Aug 11, 2024 21:38:49 GMT
One suggestion is that this is a reprise of 2022, where there was a Ukrainian counteroffensive in Kherson that got quickly bogged down as Russia raced to move troops over there to plug the gap. Ukraine then launched a surprise counteroffensive in the North, taking back a ton of land. Another suggestion that I've seen is that this is akin to the Battle of the Bulge in WW2 or the Ludendorff Offensive in WW1 - a last throw of the dice to try and force a resolution before impending doom. I suppose that in this case, the doom could be the US election in November. I honestly don't know mate, here are some things to think about though. 1. The go north then somewhere else - unless there are secret deliveries we don't know about, there is very little Ukrainian armour that I haven't seen fighting recently. Polish Rosomaks and Nordic CV-90s only I think. Which would be ~3 brigades worth. Is there enough in reserve? (TBF, Kursk seemed a stretch to me too so who knows! Maybe there are 1k BMPs waiting) 2. Battle of the bulge - Ukraine is about to get a surge of manpower and ammo while Russia has used up loads. Ukraine's manpower would have to be way worse than I fear for a bulge situation. 3. From this there's another theory. Maybe Ukraine realises russia is going to run out of steam soon. Then they'd dig in and prepare for next year's attack. Ukraine needs to keep Russia attacking and bleeding, so if they dig into Kursk maybe Putin will force russia to keep attacking all winter just for the principle of it. This makes sense to me if Ukraine can dig in. Just some thoughts because I'm confused af about this. My money is on there will be peace talks later this year. Ukraine will use the territory seized now as a bargaining chip for Russia to give some of theirs back. In the meantime, it will ease pressure across the frontline in the east. The reported incursions into Belgorod should help!
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 12, 2024 6:58:26 GMT
Russia has declared a counter terrorism operation in Kursk where special armed police loyal to Putin will take over security.
In the past they've been very brutal. He thinks they'll dress up as Ukrainians and film themselves executing russian civilians for propaganda. They did similar in Chechnya and occupied Ukraine.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 12, 2024 7:07:28 GMT
My money is on there will be peace talks later this year. Ukraine will use the territory seized now as a bargaining chip for Russia to give some of theirs back. In the meantime, it will ease pressure across the frontline in the east. The reported incursions into Belgorod should help! I don't think it makes sense for Ukraine to open surrender negotiations now unless the manpower and supply issues are way way worse than we know. They have access to the same satellite pictures as everyone else. They can see that Russia's army is reaching the end of its supplies of decent quality kit. Why fight through the worst part to destroy most of the russian army to give in before things swing in your favour? Only makes sense to me if the situation is way worse than we know or something elss bad happens.
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Post by hcstokie on Aug 12, 2024 7:19:40 GMT
My money is on there will be peace talks later this year. Ukraine will use the territory seized now as a bargaining chip for Russia to give some of theirs back. In the meantime, it will ease pressure across the frontline in the east. The reported incursions into Belgorod should help! I don't think it makes sense for Ukraine to open surrender negotiations now unless the manpower and supply issues are way way worse than we know. They have access to the same satellite pictures as everyone else. They can see that Russia's army is reaching the end of its supplies of decent quality kit. Why fight through the worst part to destroy most of the russian army to give in before things swing in your favour? Only makes sense to me if the situation is way worse than we know or something elss bad happens. I completely agree, but I guess they may think their own position may alter if Trump gets in, so it’s better to secure a bargaining chip now. If I was them, I’d launch everything at the Kerch bridge now. If they could destroy that and cut supplies to the south they’d be able to exert some serious pressure on Russian forces at the completely opposite ends of the front.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 12, 2024 9:10:20 GMT
New videos in Kursk show ukrainians driving around in areas we thought russia was defending. Also another two bunches of russuan prisoners, although it's hard to confirm they're not just re-filming the same lots from before.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 12, 2024 9:14:40 GMT
Some context.
May 2024: russia re-invades Kharkiv region. People freaked at first and Ukraine lost a few vehicles reacting, but now it's stable. Russia has lost more vehicles than Ukraine and taken massive casualties in suicide runs. They have occupied ~180 sq km.
August 2024: Ukraine invades Kursk region. People freaking in a good way. Videos show ukraine getting much further in a week than russia managed in months in Kharkiv. Mass russian surrenders and no evidence of mass ukrainian casualties yet. 140 sq km confirmed occupied but expect more.
Ukraine's attack seems to be going much better than russia's. But I fully expect russia to reinforce and then Ukraine will have a very difficult choice.
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Post by OldStokie on Aug 12, 2024 11:12:12 GMT
I'm still puzzled why UKR is making this incursion into Russia. I could understand it if it was done to draw the best Russian divisions from where they're making ground but up to yet the only thing the Russians have done is thrown poorly trained meat into the grinder to stop them. We'll have to wait and see what develops.
OS.
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 12, 2024 12:32:02 GMT
I'm still puzzled why UKR is making this incursion into Russia. I could understand it if it was done to draw the best Russian divisions from where they're making ground but up to yet the only thing the Russians have done is thrown poorly trained meat into the grinder to stop them. We'll have to wait and see what develops. OS. I would imagine partly the reason is The poorly trained meat would of been chucked at them anyway But whilst it’s in Russia it’s harder for Russia to cover up the deaths and it’s also a bit of a moral boost to be on the front foot for once And eventually Russia may well have to move more experienced battalions to counterattack this reliving pressure elsewhere
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Post by hcstokie on Aug 12, 2024 13:04:23 GMT
Some context. May 2024: russia re-invades Kharkiv region. People freaked at first and Ukraine lost a few vehicles reacting, but now it's stable. Russia has lost more vehicles than Ukraine and taken massive casualties in suicide runs. They have occupied ~180 sq km. August 2024: Ukraine invades Kursk region. People freaking in a good way. Videos show ukraine getting much further in a week than russia managed in months in Kharkiv. Mass russian surrenders and no evidence of mass ukrainian casualties yet. 140 sq km confirmed occupied but expect more. Ukraine's attack seems to be going much better than russia's. But I fully expect russia to reinforce and then Ukraine will have a very difficult choice. I’ve seen estimates of up to 400 sq km captured now, and Ukrainians are reportedly digging in to areas they’ve taken, suggesting they intend to hold it rather than it being a quick raid. One report suggested it could take Russia a year to take it back, but I assume this is purely based on previous advance rates and nothing to do with what’s physically going on in the area. It’s a bad look for Russia whichever way you look at it!
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Post by hcstokie on Aug 12, 2024 20:33:45 GMT
Now up to 1,000 sq km 👍🏻
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on Aug 12, 2024 21:39:50 GMT
I assume there are many positives to cross the border into Russia, take land and hold it.
• It brings the war closer to home for the Russian public, whilst also putting more pressure on Putin as it will actually affect his own population. Taking land is harder to hide from the Russian population as it is happening around them.
• The further they push into Russia the more troops Putin will have to pull from the frontlines elsewhere, giving the Ukrainian soldiers some rest bite in parts of the frontline where they have been fighting since the start of the war.
• If Ukraine can hold the land taken, it gives them more to bargain with if both sides do come to the negotiating table.
• Showing the Western backers that Ukraine can make progress and that giving more and more military aid is worthwhile.
• A much needed moral boost for the whole of the country, showing the whole population that Ukraine can not only force Russia back, but can go on the offensive and take Russian land.
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Post by steve66 on Aug 12, 2024 22:46:50 GMT
Putin (twat) saying the aggressor’s are forcing civilians out of their homes etc etc! He’s such a (twat) it’s unbelievable the shit that ordinary Russians have to put up with because of the fear of the (twat).
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Post by gawa on Aug 13, 2024 0:52:24 GMT
Russia has declared a counter terrorism operation in Kursk where special armed police loyal to Putin will take over security. In the past they've been very brutal. He thinks they'll dress up as Ukrainians and film themselves executing russian civilians for propaganda. They did similar in Chechnya and occupied Ukraine. This claim about Russia sounds like preemptive framing to me. It’s speculation designed to shape our perceptions before anything happens. It’s important to think critically and not rush to judgment based on what one side says, especially when it hasn't even happened yet. I don't see the motive for Russia to murder its own civillians. The only argument I imagine would be to try to gain domestic support through domestic outrage. However Ukraine has progressed significantly into Russian borders occupying a large mass of land for the first time in the duration of the conflict. Surely this alone is enough to rally increased domestic support to defend Russia. I think a real nuanced approach needs to be taken on evaluating anything. The fact a Ukraine supporting commentstor is pre emptively suggesting it makes me skeptical personally.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 13, 2024 8:01:48 GMT
This claim about Russia sounds like preemptive framing to me. It’s speculation designed to shape our perceptions before anything happens. It’s important to think critically and not rush to judgment based on what one side says, especially when it hasn't even happened yet. I don't see the motive for Russia to murder its own civillians. The only argument I imagine would be to try to gain domestic support through domestic outrage. However Ukraine has progressed significantly into Russian borders occupying a large mass of land for the first time in the duration of the conflict. Surely this alone is enough to rally increased domestic support to defend Russia. I think a real nuanced approach needs to be taken on evaluating anything. The fact a Ukraine supporting commentstor is pre emptively suggesting it makes me skeptical personally. Maybe nothing will happen, but Ukrainian command pushes hard to avoid abuses, so we know that they won't order things like that. I haven't seen any big reaction from russians. In 2022, Ukrainians rushed into the streets to block tanks and protest before they were gunned down or dragged off to russian torture chambers. Russian civilians haven't done anything I've seen yet. They either just carry on or flee. Russia has done unspeakably brutal things, including to prisoners, their own people and civilians. All of these things I've seen on video: they've shot surrendering Ukrainian POWs (many many times), they've shot russians who didn't attack forwards, they've dragged civilians into the street and shot them, they've chopped ears, fingers, testicles and heads off captured people, they've skinned people alive and stabbed and electrocuted them. They've hung them in painful positions and boasted they've been like that for days etc. Would they do stuff for propaganda on their own people? There are big questions about the apartment bombings blamed on Chechnya. They posed corpses to "prove" a Ukrainian attack just before the full-scale invasion. Cities they claim are russian, like Donetsk, have been hit by missiles and mortars either coming from the direction of Russia, or where the time between the launch sound and the impact proves the attack was launched from russian-occupied territory. They've also dressed up actors in Ukrainian uniforms for lots of other things too. Like supposedly harassing Russian speakers. They've been willing to kill their own civilians so far just for cheap propaganda stories.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 13, 2024 8:11:43 GMT
I'm still puzzled why UKR is making this incursion into Russia. I could understand it if it was done to draw the best Russian divisions from where they're making ground but up to yet the only thing the Russians have done is thrown poorly trained meat into the grinder to stop them. We'll have to wait and see what develops. OS. I would imagine partly the reason is The poorly trained meat would of been chucked at them anyway But whilst it’s in Russia it’s harder for Russia to cover up the deaths and it’s also a bit of a moral boost to be on the front foot for once And eventually Russia may well have to move more experienced battalions to counterattack this reliving pressure elsewhere A good point mate. Especially for the counterattacks, those normally use better units. Another detail I picked up: certain troops aren't sent to Ukraine in big numbers atm like the yearly conscripts. They're younger and more are from places that matter to the Moscow empire. Apparently their mothers are younger, more energetic, and more important politically so Putin's been trying to avoid pissing them off. If Ukraine can turn thousands of them into casualties or prisoners it could start to ramp up pressure.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 13, 2024 8:13:42 GMT
Can you imagine one of our politicians doing this?
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 13, 2024 8:19:29 GMT
Nice post from February 2022 😂
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 13, 2024 8:28:11 GMT
I've seen a couple of suggestions elsewhere and I've no idea if they're remotely accurate, but you might have more idea than me? One suggestion is that this is a reprise of 2022, where there was a Ukrainian counteroffensive in Kherson that got quickly bogged down as Russia raced to move troops over there to plug the gap. Ukraine then launched a surprise counteroffensive in the North, taking back a ton of land. Another suggestion that I've seen is that this is akin to the Battle of the Bulge in WW2 or the Ludendorff Offensive in WW1 - a last throw of the dice to try and force a resolution before impending doom. I suppose that in this case, the doom could be the US election in November. I said the only reserves I was pretty sure existed used Rosomaks or CV-90s... Well some Rosomaks claimed in Kursk. The number of elite units available to go somewhere else is shrinking. Unless they pull out of Kursk soon they'll also need other brigades as a second wave to let the first rest and re-arm, plus other units to dig in behind... I'd be shocked if they manage anything else of similar size.
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Post by gawa on Aug 13, 2024 8:51:34 GMT
This claim about Russia sounds like preemptive framing to me. It’s speculation designed to shape our perceptions before anything happens. It’s important to think critically and not rush to judgment based on what one side says, especially when it hasn't even happened yet. I don't see the motive for Russia to murder its own civillians. The only argument I imagine would be to try to gain domestic support through domestic outrage. However Ukraine has progressed significantly into Russian borders occupying a large mass of land for the first time in the duration of the conflict. Surely this alone is enough to rally increased domestic support to defend Russia. I think a real nuanced approach needs to be taken on evaluating anything. The fact a Ukraine supporting commentstor is pre emptively suggesting it makes me skeptical personally. Maybe nothing will happen, but Ukrainian command pushes hard to avoid abuses, so we know that they won't order things like that. I haven't seen any big reaction from russians. In 2022, Ukrainians rushed into the streets to block tanks and protest before they were gunned down or dragged off to russian torture chambers. Russian civilians haven't done anything I've seen yet. They either just carry on or flee. Russia has done unspeakably brutal things, including to prisoners, their own people and civilians. All of these things I've seen on video: they've shot surrendering Ukrainian POWs (many many times), they've shot russians who didn't attack forwards, they've dragged civilians into the street and shot them, they've chopped ears, fingers, testicles and heads off captured people, they've skinned people alive and stabbed and electrocuted them. They've hung them in painful positions and boasted they've been like that for days etc. Would they do stuff for propaganda on their own people? There are big questions about the apartment bombings blamed on Chechnya. They posed corpses to "prove" a Ukrainian attack just before the full-scale invasion. Cities they claim are russian, like Donetsk, have been hit by missiles and mortars either coming from the direction of Russia, or where the time between the launch sound and the impact proves the attack was launched from russian-occupied territory. They've also dressed up actors in Ukrainian uniforms for lots of other things too. Like supposedly harassing Russian speakers. They've been willing to kill their own civilians so far just for cheap propaganda stories. I think if you are going into situations with the mindset that only one side can commit atrocities then the only outcome you're going to get is one side committing atrocities. Even if the evidence shows the attrocities are committed by people wearing Ukranian uniforms and attacking Russian citizens - followers of this account are effectively pre programming themselves not to believe their own eyes or scrutinise any evidence. I think that's quite dangerous and I imagine alot of Russians likely analyse situations with similar pre conceived ideas based on what people are telling them. The first loss of war is truth.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 13, 2024 9:20:07 GMT
I think if you are going into situations with the mindset that only one side can commit atrocities then the only outcome you're going to get is one side committing atrocities. Even if the evidence shows the attrocities are committed by people wearing Ukranian uniforms and attacking Russian citizens - followers of this account are effectively pre programming themselves not to believe their own eyes or scrutinise any evidence. I think that's quite dangerous and I imagine alot of Russians likely analyse situations with similar pre conceived ideas based on what people are telling them. The first loss of war is truth. You're right to be concerned about that. I've made efforts to be clear when there's evidence either way when posting here. E.g. the POW execution videos were geolocated to actual fighting locations or were filmed by by the russians who did the killing. A lot of torture videos, the most-famous castration one etc were posted *by russians* as a boast. That's not ukrainian acting. I also try to be careful with words like saying that Ukrainian *command* doesn't support violence against prisoners etc. There have been some abuses by units, but Ukraine works very hard to prevent them. Russia doesn't. The russians mass murdered civilians in Bucha and then Putin rewarded the commander of that operation and had him sitting close to him during victory parades in a position of honour for all the TV cameras. Russia encourages its people who rape and torture and murder prisoners and civilians. Ukraine opposes those things. That doesnt mean it doesn't happen, but to me an intentional campaign of mass murder and torture is different from an organisation that trains, orders and encourages its people to respect human rights. There is no way that "both sides"-ing this is fair. (I think you were focussing on just beinf aware of propaganda, which is great, but I genuinely think that mass government-supported torture and murder are so bad and evil that every related discussion has to keep a focus on that, too)
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Post by gawa on Aug 13, 2024 10:13:30 GMT
I think if you are going into situations with the mindset that only one side can commit atrocities then the only outcome you're going to get is one side committing atrocities. Even if the evidence shows the attrocities are committed by people wearing Ukranian uniforms and attacking Russian citizens - followers of this account are effectively pre programming themselves not to believe their own eyes or scrutinise any evidence. I think that's quite dangerous and I imagine alot of Russians likely analyse situations with similar pre conceived ideas based on what people are telling them. The first loss of war is truth. You're right to be concerned about that. I've made efforts to be clear when there's evidence either way when posting here. E.g. the POW execution videos were geolocated to actual fighting locations or were filmed by by the russians who did the killing. A lot of torture videos, the most-famous castration one etc were posted *by russians* as a boast. That's not ukrainian acting. I also try to be careful with words like saying that Ukrainian *command* doesn't support violence against prisoners etc. There have been some abuses by units, but Ukraine works very hard to prevent them. Russia doesn't. The russians mass murdered civilians in Bucha and then Putin rewarded the commander of that operation and had him sitting close to him during victory parades in a position of honour for all the TV cameras. Russia encourages its people who rape and torture and murder prisoners and civilians. Ukraine opposes those things. That doesnt mean it doesn't happen, but to me an intentional campaign of mass murder and torture is different from an organisation that trains, orders and encourages its people to respect human rights. There is no way that "both sides"-ing this is fair. (I think you were focussing on just beinf aware of propaganda, which is great, but I genuinely think that mass government-supported torture and murder are so bad and evil that every related discussion has to keep a focus on that, too) I'm not challenging you personally or directly, it's just you were the one which posted the tweet which interested me and that's why I quoted you. It's not personal. Bucha for instance is a good example of a massacre which has already occurred. We are told that Russia killed all these people despite no UN or impartial investigation (Uk actually rejected calls for one), the crux of the evidence appears to relate to satellite images from mid march which suggests bodies on the streets. The counter argument is the Mayor of the town making no reference to any murders at the end of March when he said the city was now liberated of Russian troops. One similarity between what was alleged to have happened in Bucha and the pre emptive framing happening here is that in Bucha is that Left Bank (US & EU funded institute) announced prior to the allegations that: "Special forces (Ukranian) have begun a clearing operation in the city of Bucha, which has been liberated by Armed Forces of Ukraine. The city is being cleared from saboteurs and accomplices of Russian Forces" Is this not very similar to what this tweeter is now alleging is going to happen in Russia? "Russian special forces are going to take Ukranian uniforms and commit atrocities as "evidence of Ukrainians brutality." I'm not denying or supporting that Russia massacred these citizens in Bucha, I'm simply trying to highlight the complexities in analysing it. Unrelated but for many many months you were called a conspiracy theorist, pro hamas and an antisemite if you as much as spoke about the evidence of Israeli tanks and helicopters used in October 7th. It wasn't until many months later of mounted evidence and pressure that Israel eventually finally caved in and admitted using a hannibal directive which killed many of their own citizens. Prior to that most western media weren't reporting on accounts from IDF members, accounts from citizens, accounts from people speaking to radio presenters, images of shelling on buildings etc... We were given some go pro footage and told every death was committed by hamas. Rape and torture of citizens or prisoners of war is never acceptable but again to be devils advocate, there is plenty of evidence which has mounted over a number of months of western backed IDF forces committing rape on Palestine's. And this is a military unit, the IDF, which has our undisputed backing from America and the UK. In more recent weeks we even have videos from Israeli tv of journalists justifying the rape and defending the use of it - and again we give our undisputed backing. If we are happy to support one army doing this, why are we confident we aren't supporting another army potentially happy to do this? When it comes to "rape" in the Palestine/Israel conflict the main time it's been discussed are accusations of Hamas doing it on October 7th, for many months this has been alleged and nearly used as a justification for what came afterwards. It's emotive language and accusations which are used to cause outrage. I appreciate the respectful replies and discussion as I know my views aren't necessarily appreciated by all on this thread, especially after a recent distasteful joke which on hindsight I'm sorry for. However I've been raised to think critically and I think alot of my skeptism comes from the dismantling of previous "truths" presented to us in the media on another Western backed war running parallel to this one. If we are happy to support people who do torture and rape, if we are happy to try and cover up crimes of the side we back etc... Why would we not be doing the same in Ukraine? I do focus mostly on propoganda and trying to dismantle the truth rather than the day to day action and I guess it's probably just because that interests more. I think because this thread heavily swings pro Ukraine that I maybe over compensate trying to explore the Russian side and their "truth" because I feel it doesn't really get presented or discussed here. As I've said before, I try to analyse information by looking at a western source, a russian source and then trying to find the middle ground. So as we hear from alot of very good Ukranian sources here and their perspective, I feel compelled to explore the Russian side. Had this been a Russian forum focusing only on Russians record of events then I'd likely be over compensating on the Ukranian side and exploring their side of events. But anyway to revert back to my original point. I do think we need to carefully scrutinise things and I feel pre emptively framing the perpetrator of potential war crimes yet to be committed is dangerous. Especially when the pre emptive framing is effectively saying that Russia is going to do what Russia accused (just highlighting accussed here to make it clear I'm not saying Russias take on events is correct) Ukraine of doing in Bucha. Sources for Russian perspective on Bucha: www.donbass-insider.com/2022/04/04/ukraine-the-massacre-of-bucha-a-ukrainian-timisoara/consortiumnews.com/2022/04/04/questions-abound-about-bucha-massacre/(Both articles composed beginning of April 2022. May be better updated sources elsehwere)
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 14, 2024 7:58:12 GMT
Ukraine attacked russian airfields with drones again.
The russian government says they shot them all down, but a russian air force guy says there were successes. 👍 We'll have to wait for satellite images.
The Ukrainians keep blowing up russian air defence until holes open up. Then they send drones after the airbases.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 14, 2024 12:11:35 GMT
Germany wants a Ukrainian national diver, seems suspected of being involved in the 2022 Nord Stream sabotage.
Russia also sent a special engineering submarine equipped to lay explosives to the blast sites 4 days before.
Signs pointing in different directions - we still don't know who did it 1.5+ years later.
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