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Post by lordb on Nov 21, 2022 21:26:00 GMT
There's a strong argument to be made that US and UK haven't lived up the spirit of the Budapest Memorandum Maybe we should ask Anthony Blinken, he was there at the signing as US Ambassador to Ukraine Longer term other Countries will have no confidence in "Assurances" given to Ukraine on joining the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Neuclear Weapons ((NPT) 5 Countries US UK France Russia and China are part of NPT However India Pakistan North Korea and Israel are known to have them but are not part of NPT There are perhaps others. South Africa
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Post by wannabee on Nov 21, 2022 21:59:26 GMT
There's a strong argument to be made that US and UK haven't lived up the spirit of the Budapest Memorandum Maybe we should ask Anthony Blinken, he was there at the signing as US Ambassador to Ukraine Longer term other Countries will have no confidence in "Assurances" given to Ukraine on joining the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Neuclear Weapons ((NPT) 5 Countries US UK France Russia and China are part of NPT However India Pakistan North Korea and Israel are known to have them but are not part of NPT There are perhaps others. South Africa I was tempted to add as theyv did have a minor capability which they developed in secret Apparently the god rid but once the Jenie is out of the bottle it's hard to put it back in
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Post by musik on Nov 21, 2022 22:02:40 GMT
Why do we have so many russians in our neighbourhood and local area here now? From 0 to easily 40-50, perhaps even 100. And you can't talk to them. They don't know any swedish, not even english.
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Post by steve66 on Nov 21, 2022 22:47:15 GMT
Why do we have so many russians in our neighbourhood and local area here now? From 0 to easily 40-50, perhaps even 100. And you can't talk to them. They don't know any swedish, not even english. Fleeing putin most likely?
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 21, 2022 22:50:41 GMT
I thought this was interesting: Russian fighter aircraft production peaked in 2014 and fell quickly after their attack on Ukraine.
Sanctions could have played a role.
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Post by wannabee on Nov 21, 2022 23:45:06 GMT
Why do we have so many russians in our neighbourhood and local area here now? From 0 to easily 40-50, perhaps even 100. And you can't talk to them. They don't know any swedish, not even english. I suspect the Social Democrats and their colleagues in the Tido Agreement are finding that it was easier to heckle in opposition rather than now being in Power They seem to be hamstrung in making a decision on Visas for Russians and hide behind the EU to make the decision for them This is being made more difficult when the opposition are calling them out and pointing to Finland who have er Finnished Visas for Russians
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2022 7:46:45 GMT
Bayern, you're so full of contradictions it's difficult to even know where to start Corbyn has been anti War for all of his 35 years in Polotics and has always voted against conflict You're content that regime change took place in Iraq based on fabricated evidence placed before UN Security Council. This despite clear evidence beforehand from authorised weapons inspectors including David Kelly, who apparently died of "Suicide" that no WMD were present in Iraq. Since the Invasion about 200,000 civilians have died in the conflict and 7000 US Soldiers and 200 British Soldiers When the Institutions established to regulate World Order are deliberately manipulated we are all the poorer What is the difference between this and Putin invading Ukraine on false pretences? None they were both started by Mad War Crazy Bastards Bush/Blair/Putin The original subject you raised, rightly was your condemnation of Russian Soldiers ransacking a Museum in Kherson The dilemma you fail to understand is that Britain has no moral authority to condemn these actions having done precisely the same and plundered priceless Artefacts, but more importantly of huge Cultural Significance to other Countries and has refused to return them. If Britain did return stolen treasures it would send out a powerfull message and it could then make pronouncements on such matters. I can't even say you have lost your moral compass as I doubt you even had one in the first place. Your latest attempt at diversion is the Qatar World Cup which you dismiss as Whataboutary Of course most things Middle East centre around Energy and Money When Qatar became a British Protectorate in 1916 the local Economy was much based on Pearl trading and employed Slavery to advance its activities which Britain chose to turn a blind eye to because of its strategic position in Suez The current practices of slave labour of immigrant workers is merely an extention of this and the Al Thani cannot understand what all the fuss is about its in their DNA. Britain began to take more of an interest in in Qatar in the 1930s when Oil exploration began. FIFA is firmly to blame and literally has blood on its hands. There is first hand testimony from a Whistle-blower who was inside the room when the money was being handed out for the right to stage "The Beautiful Game" To be fair the US Justice Department has alone been trying to bring the corrupted to heel. In Europe there has been a deafening silence Perhaps because France got its £14B order for Fighter Jets soon after and Britain is currently importing vast quantities of LNG from Qatar to keep the lights on.this Winter. How fortunate for you that you can say with such certainty who are the Good Guys and who are the Bad Guys I missed this bollocks earlier. This sums a response up as good as I can get it. It’s just a load of diversionary shit designed to defend Russia that has has no relevance to what’s going on.
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Post by wannabee on Nov 22, 2022 12:27:27 GMT
Bayern, it's not my fault you don't have an original thought due to your lack of knowledge
People that rely on Soundbite Tweets for their information are Twits
I clearly posted that "FIFA were firmly to blame" but to understand the present you must understand the context of the past.
Qataries are almost entirely Sunni and follow the Salafi Branch and its interpretation of Sharia Law is particularly orthodox Very close to Saudia Arabia
When it became a Protectorate Britain just let them get on with it as it was only interested in its strategic position in the Gulf. Things began to change in the 1930s when Oil began to be explored then WW11 intervened
The point is the Qataries have been doing their own thing pretty much always and Britain has never really tried to influence it one way or another up to the point Qatar became independent in 1971. This was probably no bad thing. Its why I said Qatar doesn't understand what all the fuss is about.
Although Qatar became independent in 1971 Britain maintained an Air Force Base as too does USA. These were strategically very important during 1st and 2nd Iraq Wars and Afghanistan War
In order to turn off the Russian Gas Tap UK France Netherlands Spain and Italy are importing Billions of Cubic Meters of LNG from Qatar. I believe it is approaching about half of the 18% Russia previous supplied. Qatar is investing millions in upgrading the Milford Haven LNG Conversion Facility (I wonder why there is a strong contingent from the Welsh Government attending)
Officially UK USA and Europe are not going to say anything negative towards Qatar it's too strategically important When the World Cup is over Qatar will become a footnote.
Your final comment that this is a diversionary tactic to deflect from Russia is complete Bollocks. You need to get rid of your Tinfoil Hat
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2022 17:09:16 GMT
Bayern, it's not my fault you don't have an original thought due to your lack of knowledge People that rely on Soundbite Tweets for their information are Twits I clearly posted that "FIFA were firmly to blame" but to understand the present you must understand the context of the past. Qataries are almost entirely Sunni and follow the Salafi Branch and its interpretation of Sharia Law is particularly orthodox Very close to Saudia Arabia When it became a Protectorate Britain just let them get on with it as it was only interested in its strategic position in the Gulf. Things began to change in the 1930s when Oil began to be explored then WW11 intervened The point is the Qataries have been doing their own thing pretty much always and Britain has never really tried to influence it one way or another up to the point Qatar became independent in 1971. This was probably no bad thing. Its why I said Qatar doesn't understand what all the fuss is about. Although Qatar became independent in 1971 Britain maintained an Air Force Base as too does USA. These were strategically very important during 1st and 2nd Iraq Wars and Afghanistan War In order to turn off the Russian Gas Tap UK France Netherlands Spain and Italy are importing Billions of Cubic Meters of LNG from Qatar. I believe it is approaching about half of the 18% Russia previous supplied. Qatar is investing millions in upgrading the Milford Haven LNG Conversion Facility (I wonder why there is a strong contingent from the Welsh Government attending) Officially UK USA and Europe are not going to say anything negative towards Qatar it's too strategically important When the World Cup is over Qatar will become a footnote. Your final comment that this is a diversionary tactic to deflect from Russia is complete Bollocks. You need to get rid of your Tinfoil Hat Someone who blames the British Empire for everything having a go at someone for a lack of original thought 😂😂😂😂the brass neck. It’s not. Putin is where the far left (Corbyn) and the far right meet. It’s a cesspit.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 22, 2022 17:25:49 GMT
Bayern, it's not my fault you don't have an original thought due to your lack of knowledge People that rely on Soundbite Tweets for their information are Twits I clearly posted that "FIFA were firmly to blame" but to understand the present you must understand the context of the past. Qataries are almost entirely Sunni and follow the Salafi Branch and its interpretation of Sharia Law is particularly orthodox Very close to Saudia Arabia When it became a Protectorate Britain just let them get on with it as it was only interested in its strategic position in the Gulf. Things began to change in the 1930s when Oil began to be explored then WW11 intervened The point is the Qataries have been doing their own thing pretty much always and Britain has never really tried to influence it one way or another up to the point Qatar became independent in 1971. This was probably no bad thing. Its why I said Qatar doesn't understand what all the fuss is about. Although Qatar became independent in 1971 Britain maintained an Air Force Base as too does USA. These were strategically very important during 1st and 2nd Iraq Wars and Afghanistan War In order to turn off the Russian Gas Tap UK France Netherlands Spain and Italy are importing Billions of Cubic Meters of LNG from Qatar. I believe it is approaching about half of the 18% Russia previous supplied. Qatar is investing millions in upgrading the Milford Haven LNG Conversion Facility (I wonder why there is a strong contingent from the Welsh Government attending) Officially UK USA and Europe are not going to say anything negative towards Qatar it's too strategically important When the World Cup is over Qatar will become a footnote. Your final comment that this is a diversionary tactic to deflect from Russia is complete Bollocks. You need to get rid of your Tinfoil Hat Someone who blames the British Empire for everything having a go at someone for a lack of original thought 😂😂😂😂the brass neck. It’s not. Putin is where the far left (Corbyn) and the far right meet. It’s a cesspit. Did Jimmy off Twitter teach you Horeshoe Theory? "It's a cesspit" says the clown who wants to just bomb country after country............................
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2022 17:42:41 GMT
Someone who blames the British Empire for everything having a go at someone for a lack of original thought 😂😂😂😂the brass neck. It’s not. Putin is where the far left (Corbyn) and the far right meet. It’s a cesspit. Did Jimmy off Twitter teach you Horeshoe Theory? "It's a cesspit" says the clown who wants to just bomb country after country............................ Do you still think Russia’s attempt on Kiev was just a feint? 😂😂😂 From the get go you’ve been peddling pro Russian nonsense.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 22, 2022 17:54:31 GMT
Did Jimmy off Twitter teach you Horeshoe Theory? "It's a cesspit" says the clown who wants to just bomb country after country............................ Do you still think Russia’s attempt on Kiev was just a feint? 😂😂😂 From the get go you’ve been peddling pro Russian nonsense. I said they hoped to simply surround it and take Kiev, but did not want to engage in any active warfare as it is a city of cultural and historical significance, they never got close to achieving that aim that was obvious from the get go. It's like debating with a child - one with fairly limited knowledge in fairness - the minimum aim of Russia was to secure the Crimean and Donbas regions which still remains the same. Ultimately we're about to go into months of stalemate over a harsh winter with thousands more deaths on both sides, I know by your pathetic smiley emoji's it's one big computer game to you but to families in those two countries it's not so funny.........
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Nov 22, 2022 17:59:20 GMT
Did Jimmy off Twitter teach you Horeshoe Theory? "It's a cesspit" says the clown who wants to just bomb country after country............................ Do you still think Russia’s attempt on Kiev was just a feint? 😂😂😂 From the get go you’ve been peddling pro Russian nonsense. Don’t think PP has been peddling pro Russian anything. I think he’s trying to point out the contradictions in the reaction to this (illegal) war with other (illegal) Western backed wars I find your glib “let’s bomb the shit out of x,y or z to be frankly objectionable Anyway PP’s a big enough boy to answer for himself
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Post by wannabee on Nov 22, 2022 18:01:48 GMT
Bayern, it's not my fault you don't have an original thought due to your lack of knowledge People that rely on Soundbite Tweets for their information are Twits I clearly posted that "FIFA were firmly to blame" but to understand the present you must understand the context of the past. Qataries are almost entirely Sunni and follow the Salafi Branch and its interpretation of Sharia Law is particularly orthodox Very close to Saudia Arabia When it became a Protectorate Britain just let them get on with it as it was only interested in its strategic position in the Gulf. Things began to change in the 1930s when Oil began to be explored then WW11 intervened The point is the Qataries have been doing their own thing pretty much always and Britain has never really tried to influence it one way or another up to the point Qatar became independent in 1971. This was probably no bad thing. Its why I said Qatar doesn't understand what all the fuss is about. Although Qatar became independent in 1971 Britain maintained an Air Force Base as too does USA. These were strategically very important during 1st and 2nd Iraq Wars and Afghanistan War In order to turn off the Russian Gas Tap UK France Netherlands Spain and Italy are importing Billions of Cubic Meters of LNG from Qatar. I believe it is approaching about half of the 18% Russia previous supplied. Qatar is investing millions in upgrading the Milford Haven LNG Conversion Facility (I wonder why there is a strong contingent from the Welsh Government attending) Officially UK USA and Europe are not going to say anything negative towards Qatar it's too strategically important When the World Cup is over Qatar will become a footnote. Your final comment that this is a diversionary tactic to deflect from Russia is complete Bollocks. You need to get rid of your Tinfoil Hat Someone who blames the British Empire for everything having a go at someone for a lack of original thought 😂😂😂😂the brass neck. It’s not. Putin is where the far left (Corbyn) and the far right meet. It’s a cesspit. Do you have difficulty reading? Or is it just the comprehension part? I said in my original post and my follow up that Britain exerted or didn't try to exert any influence in Qatar for the 55 years it was a Protectorate and felt this was probably for the best Which part of blaming the "British Empire" for anything is this? Parroting some glib phrase is not advancing an argument, it just makes you look stupid.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 22, 2022 18:14:33 GMT
I have to say I’m enjoying this little tete-a-tete 😀
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 22, 2022 18:16:12 GMT
Do you still think Russia’s attempt on Kiev was just a feint? 😂😂😂 From the get go you’ve been peddling pro Russian nonsense. Don’t think PP has been peddling pro Russian anything. I think he’s trying to point out the contradictions in the reaction to this (illegal) war with other (illegal) Western backed wars I find your glib “let’s bomb the shit out of x,y or z to be frankly objectionable Anyway PP’s a big enough boy to answer for himself To look at the situation from the eyes of a Russian despot and understand why you think he does what he does makes you a "Putin apologist and Pro-Russian" To criticise the West and NATO for decisions they made in the lead up to this shit show (which I stand by) makes you a "Putin apologist and Pro-Russian" Not swallowing every bit of spoon fed Ukranian propaganda (war is full of propaganda) and making your own judgement using the evidence in front of you makes you a "Putin apologist and Pro-Russian" Pointing out the hypocrisy of the west, and that 3 other major continents across the globe have a completely different geo-political view makes you a "Putin apologist and Pro-Russian" Honestly I don't claim to be an expert but it would be great to debate someone like bayern in the pub without access to Wikipedia and Jimmy off Twitter, I'd hazard a guess his simplistic views of the world order would get even simpler. Hey ho..........
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Post by sticky on Nov 22, 2022 18:21:04 GMT
Don’t think PP has been peddling pro Russian anything. I think he’s trying to point out the contradictions in the reaction to this (illegal) war with other (illegal) Western backed wars I find your glib “let’s bomb the shit out of x,y or z to be frankly objectionable Anyway PP’s a big enough boy to answer for himself To look at the situation from the eyes of a Russian despot and understand why you think he does what he does makes you a "Putin apologist and Pro-Russian" To criticise the West and NATO for decisions they made in the lead up to this shit show (which I stand by) makes you a "Putin apologist and Pro-Russian" Not swallowing every bit of spoon fed Ukranian propaganda (war is full of propaganda) and making your own judgement using the evidence in front of you makes you a "Putin apologist and Pro-Russian" Pointing out the hypocrisy of the west, and that 3 other major continents across the globe have a completely different geo-political view makes you a "Putin apologist and Pro-Russian" Honestly I don't claim to be an expert but it would be great to debate someone like bayern in the pub without access to Wikipedia and Jimmy off Twitter, I'd hazard a guess his simplistic views of the world order would get even simpler. Hey ho.......... Get it sorted PP..Pay per view live streamed.. I’d pay a fiver for an hour of you pair going at it😁
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 22, 2022 18:24:13 GMT
To look at the situation from the eyes of a Russian despot and understand why you think he does what he does makes you a "Putin apologist and Pro-Russian" To criticise the West and NATO for decisions they made in the lead up to this shit show (which I stand by) makes you a "Putin apologist and Pro-Russian" Not swallowing every bit of spoon fed Ukranian propaganda (war is full of propaganda) and making your own judgement using the evidence in front of you makes you a "Putin apologist and Pro-Russian" Pointing out the hypocrisy of the west, and that 3 other major continents across the globe have a completely different geo-political view makes you a "Putin apologist and Pro-Russian" Honestly I don't claim to be an expert but it would be great to debate someone like bayern in the pub without access to Wikipedia and Jimmy off Twitter, I'd hazard a guess his simplistic views of the world order would get even simpler. Hey ho.......... Get it sorted PP..Pay per view live streamed.. I’d pay a fiver for an hour of you pair going at it😁 The gloves are well and truly off between two leftie wokies battling for message board supremacy😀
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Nov 22, 2022 18:26:17 GMT
To look at the situation from the eyes of a Russian despot and understand why you think he does what he does makes you a "Putin apologist and Pro-Russian" To criticise the West and NATO for decisions they made in the lead up to this shit show (which I stand by) makes you a "Putin apologist and Pro-Russian" Not swallowing every bit of spoon fed Ukranian propaganda (war is full of propaganda) and making your own judgement using the evidence in front of you makes you a "Putin apologist and Pro-Russian" Pointing out the hypocrisy of the west, and that 3 other major continents across the globe have a completely different geo-political view makes you a "Putin apologist and Pro-Russian" Honestly I don't claim to be an expert but it would be great to debate someone like bayern in the pub without access to Wikipedia and Jimmy off Twitter, I'd hazard a guess his simplistic views of the world order would get even simpler. Hey ho.......... Get it sorted PP..Pay per view live streamed.. I’d pay a fiver for an hour of you pair going at it😁 You dirty bastard 🥹😆🙈
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Nov 22, 2022 18:30:53 GMT
I try and read as much from both poles of the political spectrum.
Anything from Fox News to this lot
And anything in between
I find reading plenty of divergent viewpoints helps me come to a better and more holistic understanding of the issues.
Sure I have certain trenchant worldviews on certain topics but I’m always open to being wrong and changing my mind
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2022 18:39:23 GMT
Do you still think Russia’s attempt on Kiev was just a feint? 😂😂😂 From the get go you’ve been peddling pro Russian nonsense. Don’t think PP has been peddling pro Russian anything. I think he’s trying to point out the contradictions in the reaction to this (illegal) war with other (illegal) Western backed wars I find your glib “let’s bomb the shit out of x,y or z to be frankly objectionable Anyway PP’s a big enough boy to answer for himself To want negotiations is peddle Russian propaganda just to start with. Why? War is a part of life and sometimes is needed. It’s the last resort but it’s the only action some seem to understand.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2022 18:40:28 GMT
Do you still think Russia’s attempt on Kiev was just a feint? 😂😂😂 From the get go you’ve been peddling pro Russian nonsense. I said they hoped to simply surround it and take Kiev, but did not want to engage in any active warfare as it is a city of cultural and historical significance, they never got close to achieving that aim that was obvious from the get go. It's like debating with a child - one with fairly limited knowledge in fairness - the minimum aim of Russia was to secure the Crimean and Donbas regions which still remains the same. Ultimately we're about to go into months of stalemate over a harsh winter with thousands more deaths on both sides, I know by your pathetic smiley emoji's it's one big computer game to you but to families in those two countries it's not so funny......... You didn’t you said it was a feint 😂you’re just lying. They didn’t want to engage in active war fare? What drivel is that?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2022 18:43:33 GMT
Don’t think PP has been peddling pro Russian anything. I think he’s trying to point out the contradictions in the reaction to this (illegal) war with other (illegal) Western backed wars I find your glib “let’s bomb the shit out of x,y or z to be frankly objectionable Anyway PP’s a big enough boy to answer for himself To look at the situation from the eyes of a Russian despot and understand why you think he does what he does makes you a "Putin apologist and Pro-Russian" To criticise the West and NATO for decisions they made in the lead up to this shit show (which I stand by) makes you a "Putin apologist and Pro-Russian" Not swallowing every bit of spoon fed Ukranian propaganda (war is full of propaganda) and making your own judgement using the evidence in front of you makes you a "Putin apologist and Pro-Russian" Pointing out the hypocrisy of the west, and that 3 other major continents across the globe have a completely different geo-political view makes you a "Putin apologist and Pro-Russian" Honestly I don't claim to be an expert but it would be great to debate someone like bayern in the pub without access to Wikipedia and Jimmy off Twitter, I'd hazard a guess his simplistic views of the world order would get even simpler. Hey ho.......... The west needed to go harder earlier. None of this pussy footing around they did and that you want them to continue to do. Like I’ve said after the 2018 poisonings war should have been declared on Russia. It was the only thing to do and wouldn’t have led to any of this shit. It’s the only language they understand. The only good solution now to this whole thing is Russia leaves the whole of Ukraine and Ukraine joins NATO.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2022 18:47:08 GMT
Do you still think Russia’s attempt on Kiev was just a feint? 😂😂😂 From the get go you’ve been peddling pro Russian nonsense. Don’t think PP has been peddling pro Russian anything. I think he’s trying to point out the contradictions in the reaction to this (illegal) war with other (illegal) Western backed wars I find your glib “let’s bomb the shit out of x,y or z to be frankly objectionable Anyway PP’s a big enough boy to answer for himself Look at the comment re Kyiv. The Russians didn’t want to engage in active warfare there apparently. Despite bombing and shelling the shit out of it and it being their number one objective. I’ve only seen Russian trolls on Twitter peddle crap like that.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 22, 2022 18:51:32 GMT
Like I’ve said after the 2018 poisonings war should have been declared on Russia. It was the only thing to do and wouldn’t have led to any of this shit. It’s the only language they understand. Can you expand on this? What exactly would you want to see us do after we'd declared war on them? Tanks rolling over the Russian border? Cruise missiles hitting Moscow? Something more, something less?
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Post by felonious on Nov 22, 2022 18:51:42 GMT
To look at the situation from the eyes of a Russian despot and understand why you think he does what he does makes you a "Putin apologist and Pro-Russian" To criticise the West and NATO for decisions they made in the lead up to this shit show (which I stand by) makes you a "Putin apologist and Pro-Russian" Not swallowing every bit of spoon fed Ukranian propaganda (war is full of propaganda) and making your own judgement using the evidence in front of you makes you a "Putin apologist and Pro-Russian" Pointing out the hypocrisy of the west, and that 3 other major continents across the globe have a completely different geo-political view makes you a "Putin apologist and Pro-Russian" Honestly I don't claim to be an expert but it would be great to debate someone like bayern in the pub without access to Wikipedia and Jimmy off Twitter, I'd hazard a guess his simplistic views of the world order would get even simpler. Hey ho.......... The west needed to go harder earlier. None of this pussy footing around they did and that you want them to continue to do. Like I’ve said after the 2018 poisonings war should have been declared on Russia. It was the only thing to do and wouldn’t have led to any of this shit. It’s the only language they understand. The only good solution now to this whole thing is Russia leaves the whole of Ukraine and Ukraine joins NATO. When's the next COD out mate?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2022 18:54:00 GMT
Like I’ve said after the 2018 poisonings war should have been declared on Russia. It was the only thing to do and wouldn’t have led to any of this shit. It’s the only language they understand. Can you expand on this? What exactly would you want to see us do after we'd declared war on them? Tanks rolling over the Russian border? Cruise missiles hitting Moscow? Something more, something less? Sanctions like we did over this and cripple them like that. And funding Ukraine like we have now It doesn’t need to be full on. And they’ve continually shown they back down when faced with force.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2022 18:55:33 GMT
The west needed to go harder earlier. None of this pussy footing around they did and that you want them to continue to do. Like I’ve said after the 2018 poisonings war should have been declared on Russia. It was the only thing to do and wouldn’t have led to any of this shit. It’s the only language they understand. The only good solution now to this whole thing is Russia leaves the whole of Ukraine and Ukraine joins NATO. When's the next COD out mate? I don’t play COD. I’ve always been interested in war and reading up on strategy. And have always seen Russia as an enemy to be fearful of.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Nov 22, 2022 19:04:14 GMT
White: Well you surprise me. And you've come to what conclusions? Black: I aint. I'm still thinkin. White: Yes. Well, I'm not. Black: Things can change. White: No they cant. Black: You could be wrong. White: I dont think so. Black: But that aint somethin you have a lot of in your life. White: What isnt? Black: Being wrong. White: I admit it when I'm wrong. Black: I dont think so. White: Well, you're entitled to your opinion. — Cormac McCarthy
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 22, 2022 19:11:07 GMT
I said they hoped to simply surround it and take Kiev, but did not want to engage in any active warfare as it is a city of cultural and historical significance, they never got close to achieving that aim that was obvious from the get go. It's like debating with a child - one with fairly limited knowledge in fairness - the minimum aim of Russia was to secure the Crimean and Donbas regions which still remains the same. Ultimately we're about to go into months of stalemate over a harsh winter with thousands more deaths on both sides, I know by your pathetic smiley emoji's it's one big computer game to you but to families in those two countries it's not so funny......... You didn’t you said it was a feint 😂you’re just lying. They didn’t want to engage in active war fare? What drivel is that? They thought they just could rock up and take Kiev, they couldn't. I used the exact phrase that Russia wouldn't want to get into a street battle in the city centre of Kiev and turn it to rubble as it was a of "historical and cultural importance" Not the suburbs but the city of Kiev. Grifters like Oz Khaterji spent the first couple of months of the conflict walking the streets of Kiev and frequenting most of it's bars and restaurants. In conflict like in other walks of life there's a perfect outcome, there's a minimum red line and there's everything in between.......
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