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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 29, 2022 12:44:40 GMT
The sanctions have hit Russia massively.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 29, 2022 20:09:13 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 29, 2022 21:11:12 GMT
So the Russians have more than likely blown up a prison holding POWs.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 30, 2022 2:11:11 GMT
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/29/putin-ruble-west-sanctions-russia-europeReally interesting article. Not saying i agree with it, but sanctions by the west seem to have hit the west harder than anyone else, while Putin and Russia see a boom in trade with India, China and Iran. What do we do? Double down on sanctions? Introduce them on India, China and Iran too? Really, we all need to become more self sufficient in the west and leas reliant on (mainly oil and gas) from dictators (including from the Middle East). I suspect that had we invested in green energy off the back of the global financial crash our economy would be thriving like no other right now, and our energy costs would be low. I've heard "sanctions don't work", "sanctions hurt normal Russians too much" or whatever, because they'll say anything to cut public support since I reckon the sanctions are fucking Russia hard. The way I see it you need money to buy things, and the sanctions mean Russia has less chance to buy things. They promised thousands of ultramodern T-14 Armata tanks by now but their economy basically stopped growing after Crimea ( source) and 2014 was the year that they saw the most investment in factories etc ( source). The 2014 sanctions mean Russia has a lot fewer factories and less cash than otherwise, and that has saved loads of Ukrainian lives already because it would be far shittier if Russia had thousands more guided rockets and shells to launch. Loads of stuff in that article doesn't make sense to me. He says western inflation (about 9% in the eurozone) is awful so Russia is winning somehow? But he forgot to bring up Russia's higher inflation rate?
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Post by kaney78 on Jul 30, 2022 3:33:54 GMT
I can’t understand why a war on our doorstep is not main news now, people killed yet again many miles from where the fighting going on as russia tries to destroy the Ukrainian backbone, tossers/backstabbers in some kind of vote get main exposure, people being murdered only just made the news before the Kevin spacey story ffs It's unbelievable. And I think the West is just going to sit back while Russia annexes the whole of Ukraine. It's sickening. agree completely.I think if they were going to do anything they would have done it straight away.Sadly I think the war will only stop when there is nothing left of Ukraine...
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 30, 2022 3:51:52 GMT
It's unbelievable. And I think the West is just going to sit back while Russia annexes the whole of Ukraine. It's sickening. agree completely.I think if they were going to do anything they would have done it straight away.Sadly I think the war will only stop when there is nothing left of Ukraine... What makes you think that? And how long do you reckon it'll take for Russia to get the whole country?
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Post by kaney78 on Jul 30, 2022 3:59:09 GMT
agree completely.I think if they were going to do anything they would have done it straight away.Sadly I think the war will only stop when there is nothing left of Ukraine... What makes you think that? And how long do you reckon it'll take for Russia to get the whole country? Im no expert but just how it seems to me.it's been going on a while now and cannot see how it will end
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 30, 2022 5:05:03 GMT
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/29/putin-ruble-west-sanctions-russia-europeReally interesting article. Not saying i agree with it, but sanctions by the west seem to have hit the west harder than anyone else, while Putin and Russia see a boom in trade with India, China and Iran. What do we do? Double down on sanctions? Introduce them on India, China and Iran too? Really, we all need to become more self sufficient in the west and leas reliant on (mainly oil and gas) from dictators (including from the Middle East). I suspect that had we invested in green energy off the back of the global financial crash our economy would be thriving like no other right now, and our energy costs would be low. I've heard "sanctions don't work", "sanctions hurt normal Russians too much" or whatever, because they'll say anything to cut public support since I reckon the sanctions are fucking Russia hard. The way I see it you need money to buy things, and the sanctions mean Russia has less chance to buy things. They promised thousands of ultramodern T-14 Armata tanks by now but their economy basically stopped growing after Crimea ( source) and 2014 was the year that they saw the most investment in factories etc ( source). The 2014 sanctions mean Russia has a lot fewer factories and less cash than otherwise, and that has saved loads of Ukrainian lives already because it would be far shittier if Russia had thousands more guided rockets and shells to launch. Loads of stuff in that article doesn't make sense to me. He says western inflation (about 9% in the eurozone) is awful so Russia is winning somehow? But he forgot to bring up Russia's higher inflation rate? That article is a load of shit. The type of lame arsed shite the Guardian is capable of producing. The purpose , of course, is to present another view, which is fine. The article should pass basic common sense tests that provide sensible context. So, while praising the McDonalds replacement he manages to omit mentioning they don’t have any fries for their customers. Critically he misses the point that his military cannot access the products and services it needs for modern weapons. A joke of an article.
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Post by Gods on Jul 30, 2022 8:53:18 GMT
agree completely.I think if they were going to do anything they would have done it straight away.Sadly I think the war will only stop when there is nothing left of Ukraine... What makes you think that? And how long do you reckon it'll take for Russia to get the whole country? Where are we, 4 months in and they have one fifth of Ukraine. I suppose you might say it was the easiest one fifth since it borders Russia. But of course now the area adjacent to it effectively borders Russia. I suppose it depends in the end on where Russia will stop and how much land loss Ukraine is prepared to suffer. At the moment Russia would say they are not stopping and Ukraine will claim they can halt the advance and even get the lost land back.
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 30, 2022 9:18:29 GMT
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 30, 2022 14:41:11 GMT
I don't quite agree with how you're saying it but reckon we're about on the same page. IMO we have to be careful using "does this hurt" to work out if it's enough. I want democracy and freedom to win, that probably means taking a bit longer to throw Putin out of Ukraine but that has to be the goal.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 30, 2022 14:52:49 GMT
What makes you think that? And how long do you reckon it'll take for Russia to get the whole country? Im no expert but just how it seems to me.it's been going on a while now and cannot see how it will end I don't think any of us here are smart enough to see how it'll end tbh! I've followed it closely and honestly think there's loads of hope so long as we (the west) keep supporting Ukraine fully. In February Russia could launch dozens of modern cruise missiles a day, had thousands of modernised tanks and claimed Ukraine's air force was gone. Today the Ukrainian air force is still flying while Russia is scraping together shitty old anti-ship missiles and tanks from the '60s. Russia still has way more equipment but every month the power balance has been swinging towards Ukraine.
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Post by kaney78 on Jul 30, 2022 14:54:31 GMT
Im no expert but just how it seems to me.it's been going on a while now and cannot see how it will end I don't think any of us here are smart enough to see how it'll end tbh! I've followed it closely and honestly think there's loads of hope so long as we (the west) keep supporting Ukraine fully. In February Russia could launch dozens of modern cruise missiles a day, had thousands of modernised tanks and claimed Ukraine's air force was gone. Today the Ukrainian air force is still flying while Russia is scraping together shitty old anti-ship missiles and tanks from the '60s. Russia still has way more equipment but every month the power balance has been swinging towards Ukraine. I hope your right
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 30, 2022 14:59:10 GMT
What makes you think that? And how long do you reckon it'll take for Russia to get the whole country? Where are we, 4 months in and they have one fifth of Ukraine. I suppose you might say it was the easiest one fifth since it borders Russia. But of course now the area adjacent to it effectively borders Russia. I suppose it depends in the end on where Russia will stop and how much land loss Ukraine is prepared to suffer. At the moment Russia would say they are not stopping and Ukraine will claim they can halt the advance and even get the lost land back. If it's a typical year there are 1-2 months left before the rains start and soon after that the mud is too bad for most vehicles to go off-road. We'll see where we are then. Ukraine has pushed the Russians back most of the way from Mykolaiv towards Kherson and looks like they're preparing to retake the city. Would you change your mind about Ukraine falling if Kherson is flying blue and yellow by next year?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2022 17:30:20 GMT
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Post by Gods on Jul 30, 2022 18:39:17 GMT
Where are we, 4 months in and they have one fifth of Ukraine. I suppose you might say it was the easiest one fifth since it borders Russia. But of course now the area adjacent to it effectively borders Russia. I suppose it depends in the end on where Russia will stop and how much land loss Ukraine is prepared to suffer. At the moment Russia would say they are not stopping and Ukraine will claim they can halt the advance and even get the lost land back. If it's a typical year there are 1-2 months left before the rains start and soon after that the mud is too bad for most vehicles to go off-road. We'll see where we are then. Ukraine has pushed the Russians back most of the way from Mykolaiv towards Kherson and looks like they're preparing to retake the city. Would you change your mind about Ukraine falling if Kherson is flying blue and yellow by next year? Yes, yes I would. But I can't even begin to imagine how they might do it. They don't have the option the Russians do of sitting outside a city and shelling it in the dark ages. Not when the residents are their own people. The other thought I can't get out if my head is that if this situation were to look like it may arise Russia has legions of not yet deplored battlefield nukes which would turn this in to a non contest over night. I hope I'm wrong, of course I do, I won't rest until Putin is hung in Red Square!
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 30, 2022 19:27:23 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 30, 2022 20:23:01 GMT
It’s who is leaving Russia not just how many. Meaning young, intelligent people. In other words, Russia is suffering a brain drain. Not good news in the long term for Russia.
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Post by questionable on Jul 30, 2022 20:49:21 GMT
If it's a typical year there are 1-2 months left before the rains start and soon after that the mud is too bad for most vehicles to go off-road. We'll see where we are then. Ukraine has pushed the Russians back most of the way from Mykolaiv towards Kherson and looks like they're preparing to retake the city. Would you change your mind about Ukraine falling if Kherson is flying blue and yellow by next year? Yes, yes I would. But I can't even begin to imagine how they might do it. They don't have the option the Russians do of sitting outside a city and shelling it in the dark ages. Not when the residents are their own people. The other thought I can't get out if my head is that if this situation were to look like it may arise Russia has legions of not yet deplored battlefield nukes which would turn this in to a non contest over night. I hope I'm wrong, of course I do, I won't rest until Putin is hung in Red Square! I can’t see any options where Russia would use battlefield type munitions, the entire world would cripple them financially. I was pissed to see that normal Russians are leaving and flocking to the U.K why should they be allowed here, stinks
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 30, 2022 20:51:09 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 31, 2022 12:37:28 GMT
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Aug 1, 2022 10:05:18 GMT
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 1, 2022 15:36:21 GMT
If it's a typical year there are 1-2 months left before the rains start and soon after that the mud is too bad for most vehicles to go off-road. We'll see where we are then. Ukraine has pushed the Russians back most of the way from Mykolaiv towards Kherson and looks like they're preparing to retake the city. Would you change your mind about Ukraine falling if Kherson is flying blue and yellow by next year? Yes, yes I would. But I can't even begin to imagine how they might do it. They don't have the option the Russians do of sitting outside a city and shelling it in the dark ages. Not when the residents are their own people. The other thought I can't get out if my head is that if this situation were to look like it may arise Russia has legions of not yet deplored battlefield nukes which would turn this in to a non contest over night. I hope I'm wrong, of course I do, I won't rest until Putin is hung in Red Square! I get what you're saying mate, Ukraine haven't managed to take a big city yet and they won't copy Russia's approach. I wouldn't want to be an occupier in Kherson though. Ukraine is doing a good job at cutting it off from ammo and the invaders are surrounded by locals who hate them. And if/when Kherson is liberated, videos will show the torture chambers if they leave it too late to destroy the evidence. The Russians probably wouldn't want to surrender to the people they've been brutalising.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 1, 2022 16:45:09 GMT
Most nights now we see video of explosions near Kherson. It's the only area where Russia got to the west side of the massive Dnipro river and it looks like the Ukrainians are trying to lure in lots of Russian tanks etc before cutting them off.
Seems like a big risk but could also be a huge victory if they trap and defeat the Russians here.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 1, 2022 22:17:35 GMT
rUssIa jUSt wAnTEd tHe eASt oF UKrAinE
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Post by themistocles on Aug 2, 2022 14:43:26 GMT
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Post by noustie on Aug 2, 2022 14:55:13 GMT
We'll light up sports arenas in blue and red whilst cutting them a great deal on tank guns and tampons - they'll be orate even if it drags on a few month. If Ing-Wen appears in Playboy to keep Western attention then maybe time to worry
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 2, 2022 15:47:57 GMT
How do you think the west's reaction to Ukraine has looked to the CCP re Taiwan?
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 2, 2022 15:51:03 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 2, 2022 16:03:37 GMT
I don't have a major issue with what he's had to say, "pouring" weapons into Ukraine as we currently are doing is holding up the Russians but making it a war of attrition with multiple casualties. Simply saying "we cannot negotiate with Putin" is all well and good but 2/3 years could easily pass and the situation could be no better/a lot worse. At some point the west and NATO are going to have to up the ante or persuade Zelensky to get back round the table.........
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