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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 14, 2024 14:51:13 GMT
Satellite pics say Ukraine's drone strikes last night destroyed some hangars used for repairing russian jets. They might have also damaged a jet.
Russia reported shooting down drones and no hits.
What to believe... Satellite pictures of blown up hangars or Russian propaganda? 🤔
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on Aug 14, 2024 17:21:55 GMT
I thought this was pretty funny 😂
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 14, 2024 20:32:25 GMT
I thought this was pretty funny 😂 Link seems busted for me mate?
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 14, 2024 20:34:25 GMT
Different video of surrendering russians. Not sure if it's the same lot as before, but an extrmeely reliable ukrainian soldier was told they captured over 100 "in the last day".
I believe he's honest, but he's in the east and there's no way to fact check if he was being told the truth.
Some of the rumours are a bit too much to believe tbh, they include thousands of russians captured.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 15, 2024 6:40:56 GMT
Ukraine is pretty easily rescuing damaged tanks, which is good.
Claims of more captured ones.
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Post by chuffedstokie on Aug 15, 2024 7:04:03 GMT
Ukraine is pretty easily rescuing damaged tanks, which is good. Claims of more captured ones. Bit like driftwood on the beach, if it looks OK take it home. Keep up the great reporting and info, much appreciated.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 15, 2024 8:04:41 GMT
Yeah there are better updated sources. From one of yours: "If there were to be a serious probe, one of the first places an investigator would begin is to map out a timeline of events. Last Wednesday[30th March], all Russian forces left Bucha, according to the Russian Defense Ministry." Satellite images from 19th March show murdered Ukrainians lying in the streets 11 days before russia was forced out. UN investigators were able to document and prove:"In Bucha alone, OHCHR documented that at least 50 civilians were killed by Russian armed forces when it was under their occupation...Russian soldiers summarily executed unarmed local civilian men suspected of providing support to Ukrainian forces or otherwise considered to pose a possible future threat; others were shot by soldiers in the streets or snipers as they tried to cross the road or otherwise gather essentials for life; some civilians seemed to had been killed completely arbitrarily. Those perceived as providing support to Ukrainian forces were sometimes tortured before being killed." Over 400 civilian corpses were found, how many of those were summarily executed without "documentary proof" found of russian occupation involvement by mid-May? Video footage showed the russian 234rd regiment executing civilians. I spoke to a refugee from Bucha. He told me russians murdered his friends in their houses and the street. What do you think happened in Bucha?
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Post by emretezzy on Aug 15, 2024 8:17:10 GMT
Yeah there are better updated sources. From one of yours: "If there were to be a serious probe, one of the first places an investigator would begin is to map out a timeline of events. Last Wednesday[30th March], all Russian forces left Bucha, according to the Russian Defense Ministry." Satellite images from 19th March show murdered Ukrainians lying in the streets 11 days before russia was forced out. UN investigators were able to document and prove:"In Bucha alone, OHCHR documented that at least 50 civilians were killed by Russian armed forces when it was under their occupation...Russian soldiers summarily executed unarmed local civilian men suspected of providing support to Ukrainian forces or otherwise considered to pose a possible future threat; others were shot by soldiers in the streets or snipers as they tried to cross the road or otherwise gather essentials for life; some civilians seemed to had been killed completely arbitrarily. Those perceived as providing support to Ukrainian forces were sometimes tortured before being killed." Over 400 civilian corpses were found, how many of those were summarily executed without "documentary proof" found of russian occupation involvement by mid-May? Video footage showed the russian 234rd regiment executing civilians. I spoke to a refugee from Bucha. He told me russians murdered his friends in their houses and the street. What do you think happened in Bucha? He thinks Jeremy Corbyn turned up in a Cape and gave everyone free Internet.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 15, 2024 8:38:44 GMT
What do you think happened in Bucha? He thinks Jeremy Corbyn turned up in a Cape and gave everyone free Internet. Now gawa that made me laugh 😂 but only meant in a friendly way. I think gawa's doing a great thing by questioning motives and what's going on. I also think russian lies are on a scale we're just not used to in the west outside of people like Trump, so our brains almost break when faced with them. "They couldn't possibly lie that blatantly right? So some of it must be true...". They know how to abuse open mindedness like gawa's pushing for.
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Post by gawa on Aug 15, 2024 8:40:39 GMT
Yeah there are better updated sources. From one of yours: "If there were to be a serious probe, one of the first places an investigator would begin is to map out a timeline of events. Last Wednesday[30th March], all Russian forces left Bucha, according to the Russian Defense Ministry." Satellite images from 19th March show murdered Ukrainians lying in the streets 11 days before russia was forced out. UN investigators were able to document and prove:"In Bucha alone, OHCHR documented that at least 50 civilians were killed by Russian armed forces when it was under their occupation...Russian soldiers summarily executed unarmed local civilian men suspected of providing support to Ukrainian forces or otherwise considered to pose a possible future threat; others were shot by soldiers in the streets or snipers as they tried to cross the road or otherwise gather essentials for life; some civilians seemed to had been killed completely arbitrarily. Those perceived as providing support to Ukrainian forces were sometimes tortured before being killed." Over 400 civilian corpses were found, how many of those were summarily executed without "documentary proof" found of russian occupation involvement by mid-May? Video footage showed the russian 234rd regiment executing civilians. I spoke to a refugee from Bucha. He told me russians murdered his friends in their houses and the street. What do you think happened in Bucha? You've missed out this line in your quotation: "I'm not denying or supporting that Russia massacred these citizens in Bucha, I'm simply trying to highlight the complexities in analysing it." One person says there are satellite images of bodies in March. Another person says there that the bodies in the street are next to a crater from a shell, which means it could have been from shelling. The Mayor says the town is liberated and free from Russia days before any of this accusations come out. But then other Ukranian sources said this ""Special forces (Ukranian) have begun a clearing operation in the city of Bucha, which has been liberated by Armed Forces of Ukraine. The city is being cleared from saboteurs and accomplices of Russian Forces" What does "cleared from saboteurs and accomplices" mean? Quite clearly conflicting claims from both sides here. I'd support an independent investigation in the same way I support independent investigations into war crimes in the Israel/Palestine conflict. Nobody should be marking their own homework - you agree? For instance your quote from the UN. Here is the sentence before the part you quoted: "Hundreds of civilians were allegedly killed by Russian armed forces in situations that were not linked to active fighting. As of 15 May, OHCHR is working to corroborate over 300 allegations of such killings" So despite being told 400 people killed by Russians. It seems they could only confirm 50 of those deaths were Russian? So again an independent investigation should have been done. As for what a refugee says, it's anecdotal. Your source from the UN for instance provides a quote saying "At least in prison we were allowed to take daily walks outside", and talks about there being a ban on leaving houses during Russian control. So I'm not sure how he'd witness anything and more than likely is going of hearsay. For instance it conflicts with what the new york times journalists reported who were in Bucha reporting at the time of the massacre. It also conflicts with what the mayor said too. Who is right? I don't know but I do support independent investigations to find the truth.
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Post by gawa on Aug 15, 2024 8:42:19 GMT
Yeah there are better updated sources. From one of yours: "If there were to be a serious probe, one of the first places an investigator would begin is to map out a timeline of events. Last Wednesday[30th March], all Russian forces left Bucha, according to the Russian Defense Ministry." Satellite images from 19th March show murdered Ukrainians lying in the streets 11 days before russia was forced out. UN investigators were able to document and prove:"In Bucha alone, OHCHR documented that at least 50 civilians were killed by Russian armed forces when it was under their occupation...Russian soldiers summarily executed unarmed local civilian men suspected of providing support to Ukrainian forces or otherwise considered to pose a possible future threat; others were shot by soldiers in the streets or snipers as they tried to cross the road or otherwise gather essentials for life; some civilians seemed to had been killed completely arbitrarily. Those perceived as providing support to Ukrainian forces were sometimes tortured before being killed." Over 400 civilian corpses were found, how many of those were summarily executed without "documentary proof" found of russian occupation involvement by mid-May? Video footage showed the russian 234rd regiment executing civilians. I spoke to a refugee from Bucha. He told me russians murdered his friends in their houses and the street. What do you think happened in Bucha? He thinks Jeremy Corbyn turned up in a Cape and gave everyone free Internet. That was Elon Musk mate
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Post by emretezzy on Aug 15, 2024 8:43:14 GMT
He thinks Jeremy Corbyn turned up in a Cape and gave everyone free Internet. That was Elon Musk mate Nothing wrong with a bit of Starlink
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 15, 2024 9:08:53 GMT
The last mass surrender videos were in a different place. So... Did Ukraine move the POWs to a dirt track to pose again? Or did another big group of russians surrender?
Ukrainian soldiers claim there are hundreds or even thousands of captured russians now, and generally Ukrainian sources have been pretty honest about this sort of thing.
Still, it could just be propaganda.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 15, 2024 9:20:44 GMT
I heard on the news yesterday that Putin is emptying his jails and sending them to the front line. He's done this before but he must be desperate to do it again. OS. It sounds like they're going another step now and offering to purge criminal records of people after prison ( source). They must have taken most of the enthusiastic prisoners so far. Wagner lost tens of thousands of them in Bakhmut. I think they're struggling for "volunteers" too. The signing on bonuses keep going up. In Moscow the bonuses add up to 2.5 million roubles or $28k which is loads in russia.
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Post by steve66 on Aug 15, 2024 11:25:53 GMT
Wonder when he will purge the Oligarch’s!!!
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Post by gawa on Aug 15, 2024 14:07:53 GMT
archive.is/8LKeLGood article in the wall street journal in relation to Nord Stream. They seem to suggest that it was Ukranians with the assistance of some Germans who destroyed it. Will be interesting to see how Germany reacts given the financial impact its had on their economy. No doubt there'll be little to no reaction. Guardian and sky also seem to now be reporting it too. Whether the account is true or not who knows. One thing I think most of us can agree on is that the likelihood that Russia did it gets slimmer by the day.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 15, 2024 14:54:47 GMT
archive.is/8LKeLGood article in the wall street journal in relation to Nord Stream. They seem to suggest that it was Ukranians with the assistance of some Germans who destroyed it. Will be interesting to see how Germany reacts given the financial impact its had on their economy. No doubt there'll be little to no reaction. Guardian and sky also seem to now be reporting it too. Whether the account is true or not who knows. One thing I think most of us can agree on is that the likelihood that Russia did it gets slimmer by the day. These new claims make it seem more likely ukrainians were involved. I still don't get why there isn't more coverage of the russian military engineering ship that took a sub to the attack sites just days before the blasts. The pipes weren't carrying gas but the explosions spooked the markets and spiked gas prices even further. It help russia so they had motive too.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 15, 2024 14:57:15 GMT
There's video that appears to show the first destroyed HIMARS. After over 2 years.
Also Ukraine's investment in Kursk has weakened the east, russian gains have accelerated there. The crucial supply link town of Pokrovsk is only 10-12 km away from the front now.
I thought Ukraine would commit to defending Pokrovsk and would stabilise things soon. All the troops going to Kursk instead might mean Russia can progress for a bit longer before ukrainian reinforcements arrive.
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Post by questionable on Aug 15, 2024 15:57:12 GMT
There's video that appears to show the first destroyed HIMARS. After over 2 years. Also Ukraine's investment in Kursk has weakened the east, russian gains have accelerated there. The crucial supply link town of Pokrovsk is only 10-12 km away from the front now. I thought Ukraine would commit to defending Pokrovsk and would stabilise things soon. All the troops going to Kursk instead might mean Russia can progress for a bit longer before ukrainian reinforcements arrive. There’s a trick up Ukrainian sleeves 100%, they’re not daft enough to go completely gung-ho “I hope anyway”. Theres insane rumours of attacks planned in Moscow but lots of suggestions that there’s a massive HIMARS attack planned, Eastern Flanks??
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 16, 2024 7:13:27 GMT
There's video that appears to show the first destroyed HIMARS. After over 2 years. Also Ukraine's investment in Kursk has weakened the east, russian gains have accelerated there. The crucial supply link town of Pokrovsk is only 10-12 km away from the front now. I thought Ukraine would commit to defending Pokrovsk and would stabilise things soon. All the troops going to Kursk instead might mean Russia can progress for a bit longer before ukrainian reinforcements arrive. There’s a trick up Ukrainian sleeves 100%, they’re not daft enough to go completely gung-ho “I hope anyway”. Theres insane rumours of attacks planned in Moscow but lots of suggestions that there’s a massive HIMARS attack planned, Eastern Flanks?? This might just be a crazy gamble by Ukraine. The situation is really desperate. Tbey delayed mobilisation and republicans blockaded supplies for so long that more Ukrainians died and units are just really ground down. Reinforcements are coming but the surge is probably another month+ away. I thought the Kursk units would be used in the east but they surprised me. Long term it might work out better, these are assault units who seem to be having fun being unleashed. Throwing them into trenches would waste lots of their capabilities.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 16, 2024 7:14:46 GMT
Russia's Chechen guys claim Ukraine has been stopped in Kursk for the fifth time, source. It's gonna happen, but what then? One Ukrainian goal could be to reach a river and defend there. That would make sense.
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Post by hcstokie on Aug 16, 2024 8:17:01 GMT
Russia's Chechen guys claim Ukraine has been stopped in Kursk for the fifth time, source. It's gonna happen, but what then? One Ukrainian goal could be to reach a river and defend there. That would make sense. This is an excellent video that explains Russia’s ongoing economic issues, China’s shifting attitude towards them, and the impact of the Kursk offensive. I found the piece about the gas line running through Sudzha extremely interesting and this is potentially a significant bargaining chip. As an aside, I always find his videos to be extremely informative and his background in military intelligence provides some great insights. It also sounds like Russia have put a hit out on him (and others) due to him using his channel to raise donations for FPV drones and other equipment for Ukraine.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 16, 2024 11:56:18 GMT
Video and more pics prove ukraine shot down another expensive ($15m+) russian Ka-52 attack helicopter in Kursk.
They often claim to hit aircraft but most of the time I think they're mistaken. Still, russia has lost over 60 of these choppers so far. About half of what the russian air force started with.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 17, 2024 9:54:19 GMT
Interesting thread reporting on Russian torture methods. There are videos of the things described and russians involved saying they're doing it.
The American's own unit say he disappeared exactly when described.
Aiden Aslin, a British-Ukrainian man who was captured by Russia also described conditions after his release and has the stab wound to prove his claims.
Maybe we should balance up the unforced russian confessions, reports from victims and witnesses, and video footage against "someone says Russia good and American propaganda exists so who knows whether Russia mass tortures people."
(EDIT: the above isn't meant as a nasty dig at gawa, I'm just trying to express how I've interpreted some of the chat)
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Post by LDE76 on Aug 17, 2024 10:26:17 GMT
Interesting thread reporting on Russian torture methods. There are videos of the things described and russians involved saying they're doing it. The American's own unit say he disappeared exactly when described. Aiden Aslin, a British-Ukrainian man who was captured by Russia also described conditions after his release and has the stab wound to prove his claims. Maybe we should balance up the unforced russian confessions, reports from victims and witnesses, and video footage against "someone says Russia good and American propaganda exists so who knows whether Russia mass tortures people." In his book, Shaun Pinner also describes being stabbed by his captors.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 18, 2024 19:54:38 GMT
One of the defensive areas in the east is nearing disaster.
Reinforcements and ammo will get there, but it's still a race. Will russia get to Pokrovsk and then the big goal Kostyantinivka?
It's looking sadly and dangerously close.
The republicans' six-month pro-Putin blockade effectively bought russia several months worth of advantage and gave them hope of carving out more of Donbas this year.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 19, 2024 7:47:48 GMT
While the east is struggling, Ukraine has done better than expected inside russia so far.
They just destroyed the last bridge across a river inside Russia, cutting off some russian forces.
If they can keep moving the assault units and digging in behid then there's a good chance they can hold some ground in Kursk. In that case Russia's past behaviour says they'll just mindlessly attack it through the winter, which could be good for ukraine because instead lf training an army for 2025 russia would just be getting them all killed running across fields.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 19, 2024 9:14:04 GMT
Dunno if this case is true but we've seen some incredible decoys this war. Especially ukrainian. Russia has dropped $5 million+ Iskandr ballistic missilles on plywood or inflatables.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 19, 2024 17:05:53 GMT
Can anyone find a confirmed translation?
It sounds like Russia isn't just content with starting an unprovoked war of conquest and brutally mass murdering innocents, but now they say they're refusing to do peace negotiations.
The only way to get peace long term, and the way with the lowest financial cost and least death, is to invest fully in Ukrainian victory.
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Post by LDE76 on Aug 19, 2024 17:11:55 GMT
Dunno if this case is true but we've seen some incredible decoys this war. Especially ukrainian. Russia has dropped $5 million+ Iskandr ballistic missilles on plywood or inflatables. Operation Fortitudeski. I love the Bedford truck with the open windows.
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