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Post by FranktheRabbit on Jan 23, 2023 13:28:40 GMT
For what reason? Fat, lying, Tory bastard. Isn't that Cleverley's job. Boris will use any excuse for a holiday. Especially if it’s to a Russian billionaires castle.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 23, 2023 14:58:02 GMT
Let us humbly pledge allegiance to the 👑 of the World He's a disgraced back bench MP, what's he even doing there, who is paying for his security detail?
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Post by questionable on Jan 23, 2023 15:26:30 GMT
Some serious hardware involved for Ukraine, unimaginable how much equipment the Russians are losing:
SIX 🇷🇺 AIR TARGETS DESTROYED On January 23, 2023, in the eastern direction, anti-aircraft missile units of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of 🇺🇦 destroyed two 🇷🇺 Su-25 aircraft, a Ka-52 attack helicopter, two Kh-59 guided air missiles, and an Orlan-10 operational-tactical UAV.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 23, 2023 15:58:12 GMT
Some serious hardware involved for Ukraine, unimaginable how much equipment the Russians are losing: SIX 🇷🇺 AIR TARGETS DESTROYED On January 23, 2023, in the eastern direction, anti-aircraft missile units of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of 🇺🇦 destroyed two 🇷🇺 Su-25 aircraft, a Ka-52 attack helicopter, two Kh-59 guided air missiles, and an Orlan-10 operational-tactical UAV. Ukrainians in Bakhmut especially said there have been more Russian jet attacks recently. 2 frogfoots shot down in a day would be brilliant. I think the Ukrainian claims are more accurate than earlier in the war. A few good reasons, but they definitely can still get overenthusiastic so I'd wait for proof.
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Post by questionable on Jan 23, 2023 16:42:51 GMT
Some serious hardware involved for Ukraine, unimaginable how much equipment the Russians are losing: SIX 🇷🇺 AIR TARGETS DESTROYED On January 23, 2023, in the eastern direction, anti-aircraft missile units of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of 🇺🇦 destroyed two 🇷🇺 Su-25 aircraft, a Ka-52 attack helicopter, two Kh-59 guided air missiles, and an Orlan-10 operational-tactical UAV. Ukrainians in Bakhmut especially said there have been more Russian jet attacks recently. 2 frogfoots shot down in a day would be brilliant. I think the Ukrainian claims are more accurate than earlier in the war. A few good reasons, but they definitely can still get overenthusiastic so I'd wait for proof. I anticipated that the Ukrainians would be luring the Russian jet fighters out as they’d need to support the Russian ground offensive to make gains and that Ukraine would be well prepared with surface to air missiles. If true two jets in a day is a serious gain, there’s also suggestions that experienced Russian pilots are thin on the ground. There’s not a chance that Russia can sustain these losses let alone have any chance to replace in the next decade or so given the current sanctions and planned sanctions.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 23, 2023 19:53:13 GMT
Norwegian defence spokesman estimates that Russia has suffered 180,000 casualties in the war and Ukraine 100,000 with an additional 30,000 civilian casualties
Jesus wept, get the tanks in there to help Putin see the futility of this nightmare
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 23, 2023 23:37:44 GMT
Claims there's a clear power ranking in the ~70 new NATO mobile guns Ukraine is getting. Sweden's Archer is ranked best and sounds miles ahead of anything I've seen in the Russian army.
Last week was good for Ukraine! ~70 mobile guns, over 300 NATO fighting vehicles and extra air defence systems.
Not enough but it'll save lives.
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Post by dirtclod on Jan 24, 2023 2:43:57 GMT
Regarding Russian air-losses (with fingers crossed) am hoping that the more active they become, the more their own casualties match that of the ground forces, which would make some sense mathematically. Anything larger than a pencil up there is outnumbered greatly by the armada of ground to air systems which feed on things like that. I wouldn't want to be in an aircraft anywhere near that region for any length of time. They're even shooting down Russian missiles and drones. Only stealth-aircraft can survive that for long and I don't see too many of those available and Putin may not want to risk the few planes/pilots he has. (For hopefully an upcoming coup against him) Their air force is huge on paper, but just like with the tanks, not the best maintenance program there Vladimir. And some regions cause planes/electronics to corrode and next thing you know, yep the plane needs refurbed and will be ready next year. Maybe - if the sanctions don't interfere. (Which they will)
Maybe the secret agent types can see what kind of mess they can stir up in Moscow. The Mossad will probably lend a sniper. Or hey, this kid across the street - pretty sure he's a Hezbollah-trained bomb-maker. We could have him do a big cake for the party or something. Make it fun - a "going away" party for Putin.
Anyway - he wants war? Then give him war!
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 24, 2023 8:50:11 GMT
Norwegian defence spokesman estimates that Russia has suffered 180,000 casualties in the war and Ukraine 100,000 with an additional 30,000 civilian casualties Jesus wept, get the tanks in there to help Putin see the futility of this nightmare A prolonged war that leads to the end of Putin and the end of Russia as any kind of force globally is very much in the long term interests of the US and it's Allies, but not the people of Ukraine nor the young men being sent over the border to their deaths. I'm very much aware that I'm a cynical prick when it comes to these types of conflicts but I often ask myself "Why the delay?" in doing exactly as you say.........
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jan 24, 2023 11:31:14 GMT
Norwegian defence spokesman estimates that Russia has suffered 180,000 casualties in the war and Ukraine 100,000 with an additional 30,000 civilian casualties Jesus wept, get the tanks in there to help Putin see the futility of this nightmare That’s so sad, I just can’t comprehend that. 300,000 people. What a waste of life. And for what, Putin exercising some outdated fantasy.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 24, 2023 15:52:02 GMT
Some serious hardware involved for Ukraine, unimaginable how much equipment the Russians are losing: SIX 🇷🇺 AIR TARGETS DESTROYED On January 23, 2023, in the eastern direction, anti-aircraft missile units of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of 🇺🇦 destroyed two 🇷🇺 Su-25 aircraft, a Ka-52 attack helicopter, two Kh-59 guided air missiles, and an Orlan-10 operational-tactical UAV. Here is the main man tracking equipment losses in Ukraine and he thinks the Ukrainian claims about air losses are way too high still. They claim 3 more Ka-52 helicopters today with no proof. Here's hoping the Ukrainian MoD are right but I think we should be skeptical.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 24, 2023 16:06:11 GMT
Norwegian defence spokesman estimates that Russia has suffered 180,000 casualties in the war and Ukraine 100,000 with an additional 30,000 civilian casualties Jesus wept, get the tanks in there to help Putin see the futility of this nightmare A prolonged war that leads to the end of Putin and the end of Russia as any kind of force globally is very much in the long term interests of the US and it's Allies, but not the people of Ukraine nor the young men being sent over the border to their deaths. I'm very much aware that I'm a cynical prick when it comes to these types of conflicts but I often ask myself "Why the delay?" in doing exactly as you say......... There could be a lot going on behind the scenes. Sometimes it's hard to understand why - but a lot of the tank story is politics. Duda is preparing for the Polish elections and a big part of his campaign is attacking the Germans. Why didn't Poland request to export Leopards until now? Big mystery. The best case would be if it were like the HARM missiles that seek out radars. Noone announced them until *after* a wave of them had destroyed a bunch of Russian air defences.
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Post by questionable on Jan 24, 2023 16:07:12 GMT
Some serious hardware involved for Ukraine, unimaginable how much equipment the Russians are losing: SIX 🇷🇺 AIR TARGETS DESTROYED On January 23, 2023, in the eastern direction, anti-aircraft missile units of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of 🇺🇦 destroyed two 🇷🇺 Su-25 aircraft, a Ka-52 attack helicopter, two Kh-59 guided air missiles, and an Orlan-10 operational-tactical UAV. Here is the main man tracking equipment losses in Ukraine and he thinks the Ukrainian claims about air losses are way too high still. They claim 3 more Ka-52 helicopters today with no proof. Here's hoping the Ukrainian MoD are right but I think we should be skeptical. As I said sure that Ukrainian have a few tricks up their sleeves, it’s a waiting game as we thought the winter would be. Just reading that the USA are now thinking of donating Abraham’s, seems funny that the leopards are released and a few hours later Abraham’s are on the table. Just reading also that Ukrainian pilots are in America flying jets as they’re (USA) considering supplying jets, my money would be on the worthogs, sure they’re being scrapped soon and they’re devastating to ground forces, few AC130’s would be awesome, slow as hell but wow some fire power air to surface. Just noticed also that NATO are asking Ukraine to concentrate on the southern regions. I can see a massive push which will overrun Russian troops if it is they head south. There’s so much stuff pouring into Ukraine it’s insane, the west know if not stopped Putin will regroup and go for the smaller ex Soviet countries Russia know they can’t possibly win
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 24, 2023 17:57:56 GMT
Der Spiegel and Politico reporting that Leopard 2s are going to Ukraine!
Still don't see an official statement but it sounds like we're getting close.
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Post by milton58 on Jan 24, 2023 18:08:07 GMT
Der Spiegel and Politico reporting that Leopard 2s are going to Ukraine! Still don't see an official statement but it sounds like we're getting close. looks like they are on there way with more tanks going from USA
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 24, 2023 18:28:45 GMT
Der Spiegel and Politico reporting that Leopard 2s are going to Ukraine! Still don't see an official statement but it sounds like we're getting close. looks like they are on there way with more tanks going from USA How long before they're at the front I wonder? There's usually a spring muddy season. Dry ground sometime between mid April-early June I think. Ukraine could also hold them back a bit until the supplied and training are really supported. Free up T-64s and T-72s that are currently in reserve?
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Post by maxplonk on Jan 24, 2023 18:38:34 GMT
looks like they are on there way with more tanks going from USA How long before they're at the front I wonder? There's usually a spring muddy season. Dry ground sometime between mid April-early June I think. Ukraine could also hold them back a bit until the supplied and training are really supported. Free up T-64s and T-72s that are currently in reserve? Yeah. They'll probably do their training during the Rasputista, so that they're ready in the summer.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 24, 2023 19:28:44 GMT
I can't work out exactly how much kit Ukraine will have by the spring but if the last week of promises come through in time...
50+ NATO tanks (Leopard 2, Challenger 2) ~200 fighting vehicles (Bradley, Marder, CV90) 40 french "light tanks"/tank destroyers 90 good wheeled APC (Stryker) Hundreds of armoured transport vehicles ~50 mobile howitzers (Archer, Caesar, AS90, M109)
That's serious business if Ukraine can focus them somewhere!
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Post by hcstokie on Jan 24, 2023 19:44:07 GMT
I can't work out exactly how much kit Ukraine will have by the spring but if the last week of promises come through in time... 50+ NATO tanks (Leopard 2, Challenger 2) ~200 fighting vehicles (Bradley, Marder, CV90) 40 french "light tanks"/tank destroyers 90 good wheeled APC (Stryker) Hundreds of armoured transport vehicles ~50 mobile howitzers (Archer, Caesar, AS90, M109) That's serious business if Ukraine can focus them somewhere! I think that somewhere will be Melitopol with a feint north of Svatova.
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Post by wannabee on Jan 24, 2023 22:56:04 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 24, 2023 23:37:46 GMT
There’s even some vague talk of F16’s too. Not confirmed like the tanks but it’s a good and logical natural progression. There are lots of them and in some European air forces they’re being replaced by F-35s.
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Post by musik on Jan 25, 2023 3:37:21 GMT
Just read about the Dome day watch. It said we're only 90 secs from Goodbye Earth now!
Dreadful.
In 1991 it was the best we've ever been, 17 mins, after the end of the cold war.
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Post by OldStokie on Jan 25, 2023 14:38:39 GMT
It looks now that this is becoming an open war between NATO, using UKR to do the dirty work, and Russia. The sending of tanks by the US and Germany has gone beyond the tipping point of feigning pretense that "We're just aiding a friendly nation to defend itself," then if Putin is going to use nukes, we should soon see signs of it. It's become a game of chicken and if NATO begins to send F16's and Warthogs as well as the tanks, then that will leave Putin no place to hide. He'll either HAVE to use battlefield nukes or he'll be deposed. It seems that NATO is calling his bluff big style. Let's hope they're right.
OS.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 25, 2023 15:34:11 GMT
Two Spanish newspapers now say that Spain will eventually send 53 of its Leopard 2 tanks! That's about half of what they have of that model apparently.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 25, 2023 15:40:12 GMT
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Post by questionable on Jan 25, 2023 16:45:37 GMT
It looks now that this is becoming an open war between NATO, using UKR to do the dirty work, and Russia. The sending of tanks by the US and Germany has gone beyond the tipping point of feigning pretense that "We're just aiding a friendly nation to defend itself," then if Putin is going to use nukes, we should soon see signs of it. It's become a game of chicken and if NATO begins to send F16's and Warthogs as well as the tanks, then that will leave Putin no place to hide. He'll either HAVE to use battlefield nukes or he'll be deposed. It seems that NATO is calling his bluff big style. Let's hope they're right. OS. There’s unconfirmed reports that Ukrainian pilots are already very adapt in flying the F16’s and have been for some time, i’d also say Ukraine tank crews already know all about the challenger 2, guaranteed in fact.
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Post by questionable on Jan 25, 2023 17:50:58 GMT
Insane t.co/Q7RrXjBXKQCan’t get the full 3 minute coverage to paste but Ukrainian SOF soldiers on a night attack
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Post by musik on Jan 25, 2023 18:21:55 GMT
It looks now that this is becoming an open war between NATO, using UKR to do the dirty work, and Russia. The sending of tanks by the US and Germany has gone beyond the tipping point of feigning pretense that "We're just aiding a friendly nation to defend itself," then if Putin is going to use nukes, we should soon see signs of it. It's become a game of chicken and if NATO begins to send F16's and Warthogs as well as the tanks, then that will leave Putin no place to hide. He'll either HAVE to use battlefield nukes or he'll be deposed. It seems that NATO is calling his bluff big style. Let's hope they're right. OS. Correct. And not only that! They can use some devastating biological a chemical weapons as well. One little pill at the coast to Sweden and boom, all living is gone within minutes. These things exist. so ... piece please
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 25, 2023 18:25:50 GMT
MoD says Russia still can't deploy working T-14 Armata tanks.
Russia said they'd have 2,300 by 2020. Then in 2021 they said 100 in 2022. Now it's 40 or so this year?
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 25, 2023 18:34:47 GMT
It looks now that this is becoming an open war between NATO, using UKR to do the dirty work, and Russia. The sending of tanks by the US and Germany has gone beyond the tipping point of feigning pretense that "We're just aiding a friendly nation to defend itself," then if Putin is going to use nukes, we should soon see signs of it. It's become a game of chicken and if NATO begins to send F16's and Warthogs as well as the tanks, then that will leave Putin no place to hide. He'll either HAVE to use battlefield nukes or he'll be deposed. It seems that NATO is calling his bluff big style. Let's hope they're right. OS. I see it differently - NATO hasn't really turned up yet! Even tanks aren't a big step beyond what's already there. Some people think jets and long range missiles are a big step too, but I'd send them. A sensible red line for me is NATO equipment being used to directly attack inside Russia's border. I understand people's fears about nukes but I'm much more scared about what happens if we let Russia take land just because it threatens nukes. It would prove beyond all doubt that the *only* way a country can guarantee safety is access to nukes. So if I were Taiwan or Saudi Arabia I'd rush to build my own nukes and once nukes are everywhere the risk goes sky high. That's also why I think China and India will stop Putin from using nukes. Nuclear Taiwan is game over for the CCP's plans.
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