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Post by deeside2 on Feb 24, 2022 6:09:53 GMT
Ukraine calling it a "full scale invasion" and is asking for more sanctions, and military assistance. Dangerous times indeed.
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Post by foster on Feb 24, 2022 6:41:01 GMT
I feel sorry for the Ukrainians today, and quite ashamed with the lack of support they've had from elected governments.
Same blah blah shit from politicians.... he broke international law, he'll suffer, we'll hurt Russia, they'll pay for their actions... blah fucking blah.
That coupled with 'loans' that will go towards fixing what shouldn't have been destroyed in the first place.
Putin just threatened the entire world by telling them he'll react instantly to any interference.
The difference between him and the West is that he probably means it.
However, Putin and Russia need to be stopped at all costs. If he gets away with this now, then he (and others) will keep doing the same in future.
I expect Russia will get this over and done with in very quick time while the West dithers and delays.
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Post by salopstick on Feb 24, 2022 6:52:10 GMT
You have to now isolate Russia.
From fucking everything you can.
Don’t monitor the situation ACT
Sporting bodies - expel International organisations - suspend Every institution possible
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 24, 2022 7:04:23 GMT
So Putin’s gone ahead and done what we feared.
A terrible morning.
My heart goes out to the Ukrainian people.
Putin’s actions are simply appalling.
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Post by xchpotter on Feb 24, 2022 7:05:11 GMT
You have to now isolate Russia. From fucking everything you can. Don’t monitor the situation ACT Sporting bodies - expel International organisations - suspend Every institution possible Agreed and along with this some form of international fine and reparations sum to start now and that must be paid in full by Russia before it can ever be allowed to receive investment or rejoin the international world. Start at £50 billion per day until every Russian soldier has left Ukraine. Financially is the best way to hit them but it needs a united international desire to see it through for years to come.
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Post by Boothen on Feb 24, 2022 7:07:20 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 24, 2022 7:08:07 GMT
Suffer the little children…
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Post by salopstick on Feb 24, 2022 7:11:44 GMT
The moment putin changed Russian constitution laws to enable him to stay in power was always going to lead to shit like this
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Post by hotterpotter on Feb 24, 2022 7:25:23 GMT
Is he mad enough to try and take Europe?
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Post by foster on Feb 24, 2022 7:25:34 GMT
You have to now isolate Russia. From fucking everything you can. Don’t monitor the situation ACT Sporting bodies - expel International organisations - suspend Every institution possible I agree. No Russians in or out. End all contracts and business with them. Freeze all assets. Make it like the country doesn't exist.
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Post by foster on Feb 24, 2022 7:27:56 GMT
Is he mad enough to try and take Europe? Based on the pathetic resistance the West is putting up I doubt he'd see it as Mad. More like a walk in the park.
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Post by westlandstokie on Feb 24, 2022 7:33:40 GMT
Is he mad enough to try and take Europe? I wouldn’t put it past him but I doubt it. He is seeing how the West is dithering and doing not much more than talk and he has taken a gamble…a huge gamble. Financial sanctions won’t bother him…he will have factored this into the situation a long time ago…he is testing the West and it’s resolve. Unfortunately unless the Americans get involved militarily he won’t stop…only the USA have the manpower and weapons to stop him. Really scary times ahead for Europe…and I haven’t even mentioned the Chinese.
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Post by lordb on Feb 24, 2022 7:36:46 GMT
China will be watching very closely Hawks in their regime will be calling for an attack on Taiwan
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Post by noustie on Feb 24, 2022 7:38:08 GMT
Boris looking at further urgent sanctions around punitive parking warrant charges in Kensington
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Post by Northy on Feb 24, 2022 7:38:32 GMT
You have to now isolate Russia. From fucking everything you can. Don’t monitor the situation ACT Sporting bodies - expel International organisations - suspend Every institution possible Yep, throw them out of every international body, political and sporting. No more business with them. Just glad I'm old enough now not to get called back in 😉
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Post by hotterpotter on Feb 24, 2022 7:38:49 GMT
Is he mad enough to try and take Europe? I wouldn’t put it past him but I doubt it. He is seeing how the West is dithering and doing not much more than talk and he has taken a gamble…a huge gamble. Financial sanctions won’t bother him…he will have factored this into the situation a long time ago…he is testing the West and it’s resolve. Unfortunately unless the Americans get involved militarily he won’t stop…only the USA have the manpower and weapons to stop him. Really scary times ahead for Europe…and I haven’t even mentioned the Chinese. It's scary enough that people wouldn't put it past him...
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Post by callas12 on Feb 24, 2022 7:40:17 GMT
The Salisbury incident was an act of international terrorism in our country as was the other poisoning cases prior to that, so in effect Putin had already been dipping his toes into provoking a reaction on our shores & I'm sure he won't stop at just making threats, he seems intent of achieving whatever it is he wants rights now & he's the sort of character who will carry out what he promises. He seems unhinged & even crossing & mocking his own inner circle at recent meetings, sadly mirroring another tyrant who set off on a path of destruction and knew no bounds.
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 24, 2022 7:42:16 GMT
Is he mad enough to try and take Europe? I wouldn’t put it past him but I doubt it. He is seeing how the West is dithering and doing not much more than talk and he has taken a gamble…a huge gamble. Financial sanctions won’t bother him…he will have factored this into the situation a long time ago…he is testing the West and it’s resolve. Unfortunately unless the Americans get involved militarily he won’t stop…only the USA have the manpower and weapons to stop him. Really scary times ahead for Europe…and I haven’t even mentioned the Chinese. Well it’s a good job Europe’s got Biden in charge
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Post by callas12 on Feb 24, 2022 7:43:21 GMT
You have to now isolate Russia. From fucking everything you can. Don’t monitor the situation ACT Sporting bodies - expel International organisations - suspend Every institution possible I agree. No Russians in or out. End all contracts and business with them. Freeze all assets. Make it like the country doesn't exist. Can imagine Chelsea FC are sitting a little uneasy right now!
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 24, 2022 7:57:02 GMT
You couldn’t make it up… the UN Security Council meet to discuss Russia’s invasion of Ukraine under the chairmanship of… Russia.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 24, 2022 8:02:35 GMT
The Salisbury incident was an act of international terrorism in our country as was the other poisoning cases prior to that, so in effect Putin had already been dipping his toes into provoking a reaction on our shores & I'm sure he won't stop at just making threats, he seems intent of achieving whatever it is he wants rights now & he's the sort of character who will carry out what he promises. He seems unhinged & even crossing & mocking his own inner circle at recent meetings, sadly mirroring another tyrant who set off on a path of destruction and knew no bounds. Sounds like he needs taking out (and i’m not talking to dinner).
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 24, 2022 8:04:51 GMT
I agree. No Russians in or out. End all contracts and business with them. Freeze all assets. Make it like the country doesn't exist. Can imagine Chelsea FC are sitting a little uneasy right now! Apparently Abramovic is now a Portuguese citizen so it shouldn’t affect them. I think Arsenal have more to worry about.
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Post by yeokel on Feb 24, 2022 8:21:11 GMT
Can imagine Chelsea FC are sitting a little uneasy right now! Apparently Abramovic is now a Portuguese citizen so it shouldn’t affect them. I think Arsenal have more to worry about. Humanity has a lot more to worry about. As said above, he needs taking out, and quickly.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Feb 24, 2022 8:21:51 GMT
This is horrifying.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 24, 2022 8:22:51 GMT
Is he mad enough to try and take Europe? Of course not. Most of Europe is in NATO. NATO's philosophy is "an attack on one is an attack on all NATO members". To attack any NATO country will be WW3. Putin is doing what he thinks he can get away with. Paint him as mad if you will. He's not, he knows where the line is. He'll probably settle for making the possibility of Ukraine ever joining NATO or the EU very unlikely, either through the imposition of a pro-Russian leader (as in Belarus) or a legal agreement with the West that Ukraine remains independent. It may seem trivial but the various authorities now need to expel Russia from as many sporting organisations as possible. We know they're serial dopers, so kick them out of the Olympic movement for ten years. Likewise kick them out of UEFA and FIFA. They should not be present at the WC finals, if they get there. Tougher sanctions will affect the economy and that might have some impact but removing any kind of sporting legitimacy might make ordinary Russians realise who's ruining their fun for them.
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Post by franklin on Feb 24, 2022 8:23:14 GMT
It's a devastating morning Putin is clearly not bothered by being challenged and will do exactly as he wants and nobody will interfere scary times ahead.
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Post by auntiegeorge on Feb 24, 2022 8:23:47 GMT
What a terrible day for humanity.
But we all need to remember that every war, every stockmarket crash, every pandemic, every global crisis, results in a transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich.
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Post by franklin on Feb 24, 2022 8:26:45 GMT
Is he mad enough to try and take Europe? Of course not. Most of Europe is in NATO. NATO's philosophy is "an attack on one is an attack on all NATO members". To attack any NATO country will be WW3. Putin is doing what he thinks he can get away with. Paint him as mad if you will. He's not, he knows where the line is. He'll probably settle for making the possibility of Ukraine ever joining NATO or the EU very unlikely, either through the imposition of a pro-Russian leader (as in Belarus) or a legal agreement with the West that Ukraine remains independent. It may seem trivial but the various authorities now need to expel Russia from as many sporting organisations as possible. We know they're serial dopers, so kick them out of the Olympic movement for ten years. Likewise kick them out of UEFA and FIFA. They should not be present at the WC finals, if they get there. Tougher sanctions will affect the economy and that might have some impact but removing any kind of sporting legitimacy might make ordinary Russians realise who's ruining their fun for them. I agree 100% it's time to isolate them worldwide in every aspect of life.
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Post by superjw on Feb 24, 2022 8:39:51 GMT
The west will condemn and threaten, but nothing more will be done that will stop Russia. In time the west will try and "forget" and get on with business. It's incredibly sad for the people of Ukraine but that's the reality, just with what happened with Crimea.
Putin knows this and knows exactly where to push the line to, he won't touch a NATO country.
Either way it's a dark day in the world. Clearly Europe cannot go more than a few decades without fighting
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Post by foster on Feb 24, 2022 8:40:15 GMT
Apparently Abramovic is now a Portuguese citizen so it shouldn’t affect them. I think Arsenal have more to worry about. Humanity has a lot more to worry about. As said above, he needs taking out, and quickly. I'm more inclined to take out Putin than Abramovic. But Portugal could revoke his nationality status.
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