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Post by thewonderstuff on Jul 28, 2022 22:01:56 GMT
Anybody know if either of these have commented on the big story today which is the scandalous profiteering of energy companies at our expense? Surely that is the THE question of the day. From what's leaked out, as they are now effectively behind closed doors unfriendlies, it seems all the big pressing issues were addressed. You know the issues on everyone's lips, the return of Grammar schools, where people piss and the future of the Monarchy. They're all fucking barking. |
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Post by klingon on Jul 28, 2022 23:07:29 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 3, 2022 8:51:45 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 3, 2022 9:08:58 GMT
So what's the answer? Is there one? |
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Aug 3, 2022 11:25:54 GMT
So what's the answer? Is there one? Get rid of the lying Tories for a start.Replace them with someone, anyone (except that absolute national self-detruct button Farage)Expectations aren't high for the alternatives on offer but if people keep thinking the way to solve a problem is more of the same with a different face then we will just keep facing the same problems. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 3, 2022 11:38:43 GMT
So what's the answer? Is there one? Get rid of the lying Tories for a start.Replace them with someone, anyone (except that absolute national self-detruct button Farage)Expectations aren't high for the alternatives on offer but if people keep thinking the way to solve a problem is more of the same with a different face then we will just keep facing the same problems. So who have you got in mind, specifically and pragmatically ? |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 3, 2022 12:14:00 GMT
Interesting news about the Tory vote being delayed.
Presumably all those on here who want postal voting banned (for political reasons, not that they'd admit it!) also think Tory members should have to vote in person at their local Conservative Association?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 3, 2022 12:26:55 GMT
Utterly delusional and embarrassing ... www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1649894/Tory-leadership-election-Boris-Johnson-Lord-Cruddas-pay-members-vote-update"Lord Cruddas has written to Conservative Party bosses offering to pay for the entire leadership election if they "end the chaos" and allow members to have a vote on Boris Johnson remaining as leader and Prime Minister." "In his letter to Tory bosses - addressed to party chief executive Darren Mottt and members of the National Convention - emailed this morning and published by the Conservative Post website, Lord Cruddas has told them that the delay means that the whole contest needs to be suspended and members given a chance to overturn Mr Johnson being forced out by Tory MPS." "The party chiefs have already been set a deadline by Lord Cruddas on Friday to consider changing the leadership rules or face legal action in the High Court." |
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 3, 2022 12:27:01 GMT
Interesting news about the Tory vote being delayed. Presumably all those on here who want postal voting banned (for political reasons, not that they'd admit it!) also think Tory members should have to vote in person at their local Conservative Association? I’m all in favour of those eligible to vote having to place there vote in a sealed ballot box |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 3, 2022 12:29:29 GMT
Interesting news about the Tory vote being delayed. Presumably all those on here who want postal voting banned (for political reasons, not that they'd admit it!) also think Tory members should have to vote in person at their local Conservative Association? I’m all in favour of those eligible to vote having to place there vote in a sealed ballot box Lol, at least you're consistent! Given that approach and the age of the Tory membership, your next PM would probably be determined by about 30,000 people! |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 3, 2022 12:49:47 GMT
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Post by andystokey on Aug 3, 2022 12:54:28 GMT
It's the judgement that terrifies me. It's only something as minor as a possible nuclear escalation she's pissing about with. |
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Post by cerebralstokie on Aug 3, 2022 13:39:35 GMT
Rearrange the following words: arrange, piss up, couldn't, brewery. they, in, a, a.
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Post by cerebralstokie on Aug 3, 2022 13:40:53 GMT
Rearrange the following words: arrange, piss up, couldn't, brewery. they, in, a, a. Scary that one of them will be running the country soon.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Aug 3, 2022 13:58:56 GMT
Think the country is a bit shit after 12 years of Tory incompetence, greed, corruption and needless austerity? Rishi will cure you  |
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 3, 2022 14:31:21 GMT
I’m all in favour of those eligible to vote having to place there vote in a sealed ballot box Lol, at least you're consistent! Given that approach and the age of the Tory membership, your next PM would probably be determined by about 30,000 people! If that’s the number it’s the number I’m certainly consistent on postal votes They should only be available for those who medicaly can’t attend a polling station or those not in the country at the time of the vote Voting shouldn’t be taken lightly or made easy people died for the right of people to get of there arses and vote |
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 3, 2022 14:47:51 GMT
So what's the answer? Is there one? Don’t give the editor a place in the HoL for a start! Or vote for the party that enable it. After that, there’s always proportional representation (or almost any other form of democratic voting other than FPTP!!). |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 3, 2022 15:23:33 GMT
Lol, at least you're consistent! Given that approach and the age of the Tory membership, your next PM would probably be determined by about 30,000 people! If that’s the number it’s the number I’m certainly consistent on postal votes They should only be available for those who medicaly can’t attend a polling station or those not in the country at the time of the vote Voting shouldn’t be taken lightly or made easy people died for the right of people to get of there arses and vote "Voting shouldn't be made easy"  |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 3, 2022 15:30:35 GMT
So what's the answer? Is there one? Don’t give the editor a place in the HoL for a start! Or vote for the party that enable it. After that, there’s always proportional representation (or almost any other form of democratic voting other than FPTP!!). I've always believed and argued for Proportional representation, abolition of the H of L. At present we are a million miles from those things, no party is genuinely arguing for them(some may say that there are bigger issues, in my opinion there aren't, or at least several issues can be deslt with st once). One reason the Tories have got away with murder ( in many people's eyes) is because there still isn't a viable alternative. ( "anything is better than what we've got"....some people don't think so) I ask my question pragmatically in response to the critism of the Tories, criticism is the easy bit. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 3, 2022 15:34:25 GMT
If that’s the number it’s the number I’m certainly consistent on postal votes They should only be available for those who medicaly can’t attend a polling station or those not in the country at the time of the vote Voting shouldn’t be taken lightly or made easy people died for the right of people to get of there arses and vote "Voting shouldn't be made easy" No it shouldn’t It should take time effort and consideration |
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 3, 2022 15:57:30 GMT
Don’t give the editor a place in the HoL for a start! Or vote for the party that enable it. After that, there’s always proportional representation (or almost any other form of democratic voting other than FPTP!!). I've always believed and argued for Proportional representation, abolition of the H of L. At present we are a million miles from those things, no party is genuinely arguing for them(some may say that there are bigger issues, in my opinion there aren't, or at least several issues can be deslt with st once). One reason the Tories have got away with murder ( in many people's eyes) is because there still isn't a viable alternative. ( "anything is better than what we've got"....some people don't think so) I ask my question pragmatically in response to the critism of the Tories, criticism is the easy bit. The answer is PR and a proper codified constitution and an independent judicially led regulator of MPs. |
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Aug 3, 2022 16:00:55 GMT
Get rid of the lying Tories for a start.Replace them with someone, anyone (except that absolute national self-detruct button Farage)Expectations aren't high for the alternatives on offer but if people keep thinking the way to solve a problem is more of the same with a different face then we will just keep facing the same problems. So who have you got in mind, specifically and pragmatically ? Well as things currently stand Starmer would be PM and Labour the largest party, supported by a bunch of others. Not living in expactation of great things but the first job is to get the Tory shit off the windscreen so you can see where you're going. |
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Post by Gawa on Aug 3, 2022 16:05:02 GMT
Think the country is a bit shit after 12 years of Tory incompetence, greed, corruption and needless austerity? Rishi will cure you Ahh another great example of us getting our freedoms back then lol |
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 3, 2022 16:41:20 GMT
Anyone but modern Labour
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 3, 2022 17:20:39 GMT
I've always believed and argued for Proportional representation, abolition of the H of L. At present we are a million miles from those things, no party is genuinely arguing for them(some may say that there are bigger issues, in my opinion there aren't, or at least several issues can be deslt with st once). One reason the Tories have got away with murder ( in many people's eyes) is because there still isn't a viable alternative. ( "anything is better than what we've got"....some people don't think so) I ask my question pragmatically in response to the critism of the Tories, criticism is the easy bit. The answer is PR and a proper codified constitution and an independent judicially led regulator of MPs. Trouble is there's no one advocating that who seriously has a chance of implementing it, so what's the pragmatic answer? |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Aug 3, 2022 18:25:07 GMT
Leaving aside any Lesser of two evils/still be better than Starmer/ who else is there? justifications - does anyone actually think - from what they already know about her - that Truss will make a good PM in her own right?
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Post by elystokie on Aug 3, 2022 18:33:15 GMT
Leaving aside any Lesser of two evils/still be better than Starmer/ who else is there? justifications - does anyone actually think - from what they already know about her - that Truss will make a good PM in her own right? A few Daily Mail readers probably do? I'm thinking a good deal of myopia is required and that's the only group I can imagine possessing the required amount. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 4, 2022 6:39:50 GMT
The answer is PR and a proper codified constitution and an independent judicially led regulator of MPs. Trouble is there's no one advocating that who seriously has a chance of implementing it, so what's the pragmatic answer? Get rids of the tories and hope Starmer sees sense (he may as his most likely route to power is being propped up by the SNP, Greens and Lib Dems otherwise) |
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Post by adri2008 on Aug 4, 2022 6:57:46 GMT
Leaving aside any Lesser of two evils/still be better than Starmer/ who else is there? justifications - does anyone actually think - from what they already know about her - that Truss will make a good PM in her own right? Truss is a complete blank page - a bit like BoJo in that regard - so i guess its feasible she might be a good PM. Depends if she fills her cabinet with out of touch supporters like Redwood, Rees Mogg, IDS etc. or brings in some of the more competent people like Javid, Gove etc. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 4, 2022 7:44:25 GMT
Leaving aside any Lesser of two evils/still be better than Starmer/ who else is there? justifications - does anyone actually think - from what they already know about her - that Truss will make a good PM in her own right? A few Daily Mail readers probably do? I'm thinking a good deal of myopia is required and that's the only group I can imagine possessing the required amount. Do they even care? Provided it's blue? You can see the same 'thought' processes in action among her wannabe colleagues currently. 90% of those who were saying what a liability she'd be just a few weeks ago are now, having read the room, saying the complete opposite, purely for expediency purposes, the chance of a job and to get all those Tory supporters who thought Cameron and May and Bozo were the best thing since sliced bread thinking the same about Truss. You can't blame them. If you're dealing with people that willing to be convinced every time with no recollection that it was just the same last time, you're basically pushing against an open door! |
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