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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 19, 2021 22:46:47 GMT
Sounds like something someone not affected by austerity would say to be honest….. I would suggest what you're saying sounds like someone who hasn't lost his job or members of his family as a result of lockdowns. I also find it pretty weird that your response to "lockdowns cause poverty" is "what about austerity". You can be critical of both but it's yet another example of your not so subtle attempts to defend the horrifying, oppressive measures being inflicted on the people. I lost two family members to COVID, including my 38 year old brother-in-law…….
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 19, 2021 22:54:35 GMT
I would suggest what you're saying sounds like someone who hasn't lost his job or members of his family as a result of lockdowns. I also find it pretty weird that your response to "lockdowns cause poverty" is "what about austerity". You can be critical of both but it's yet another example of your not so subtle attempts to defend the horrifying, oppressive measures being inflicted on the people. I lost two family members to COVID, including my 38 year old brother-in-law……. And I've lost two members of my family to cancer during lockdowns and wasn't able to see them one last time because of the disgusting restrictions placed on our lives. It's not a competition. No one is denying covid exists and there have been tragic deaths as you've highlighted. But you cannot lock up a nation of innocent, healthy people for a virus that affects a tiny tiny proportion of society. Can't you see that?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 19, 2021 23:10:13 GMT
I lost two family members to COVID, including my 38 year old brother-in-law……. And I've lost two members of my family to cancer during lockdowns and wasn't able to see them one last time because of the disgusting restrictions placed on our lives. It's not a competition. No one is denying covid exists and there have been tragic deaths as you've highlighted. But you cannot lock up a nation of innocent, healthy people for a virus that affects a tiny tiny proportion of society. Can't you see that? By your own admission you’d have waited even after the government lockdown in the first instance to “gain more evidence”. Your actions would have caused tens more thousands of vulnerable people to die, you’d have been more dangerous than Boris Johnson let that sink in for a moment. Lockdown didn’t cause there to be 40,000 less hospital beds, it didn’t cause a shortage of nurses and doctors to fill the white elephant super hospitals meaning Covid patients couldn’t be separated from those with everyday conditions that needed treating. It didn’t create a situation whereby those with mental health issues couldn’t get the treatment they needed. Austerity did. But austerity didn’t affect you so you were quiet, lockdown does so you resort to hyperbole such as “second only to a war crime”. I’ll leave it there, time for bed……
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 19, 2021 23:34:09 GMT
And I've lost two members of my family to cancer during lockdowns and wasn't able to see them one last time because of the disgusting restrictions placed on our lives. It's not a competition. No one is denying covid exists and there have been tragic deaths as you've highlighted. But you cannot lock up a nation of innocent, healthy people for a virus that affects a tiny tiny proportion of society. Can't you see that? By your own admission you’d have waited even after the government lockdown in the first instance to “gain more evidence”. Your actions would have caused tens more thousands of vulnerable people to die, you’d have been more dangerous than Boris Johnson let that sink in for a moment. Lockdown didn’t cause there to be 40,000 less hospital beds, it didn’t cause a shortage of nurses and doctors to fill the white elephant super hospitals meaning Covid patients couldn’t be separated from those with everyday conditions that needed treating. It didn’t create a situation whereby those with mental health issues couldn’t get the treatment they needed. Austerity did. But austerity didn’t affect you so you were quiet, lockdown does so you resort to hyperbole such as “second only to a war crime”. I’ll leave it there, time for bed…… Dont even know where to start with this, it's so misinformed. So let's just park the first and second lockdowns for a second. What is your justification behind this third set of restrictions/lockdown? Deaths are declining and hospitals aren't anymore overwhelmed than they typically would be in any average flu season. Scientists around the world including the very scientist who discovered omicron is telling us it results in similar symptoms to a cold and thinks we're significantly overreacting. One person in a population of 70 million has thus far died within 28 days of a positive test. Convince me why an entire nation - that has already suffered for two years - should suffer further hardship in the name of what appears to be a largely non fatal variant? Convince me why our children should be sacrificed, livelihoods, lives, businesses and families sacrificed YET AGAIN in the name of the health service and a virus with an incredibly low fatality rate? You keep spouting on about austerity - which no one is even defending - as some kind of diversion tactic. Respectfully, you do not speak for the NHS. I have family who work in the NHS and indeed there are countless posters on here who work in the NHS and similarly, they agree that we cannot keep living our lives in this absurd, endless, Orwellian, covid obsessed state of paralysis. Its time to move on. Surely you can see that?
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Post by ChesterStokie on Dec 19, 2021 23:35:25 GMT
Yes. Lots of people. For the last 2 years the majority of the working population have continued to earn a full wage but their spending has been down. So there are hugh amounts of accumulated savings out there waiting to be spent. Have you not seen what’s been happening to the cost of living? People with relatively comfortable lifestyles who’ve been spending less on coffees and meals out maybe, but those earning a low wage who were struggling anyway, not a chance…… I don’t disagree with you. The published economic figures show that TOTAL personal savings in the UK have gone up over the last 2 years, and that was what I was pointing out to a previous poster who said he couldn’t believe that anyone had any money left. The same figures also show that for those on lower incomes their savings have gone down. I was simply reporting the published facts regarding savings levels, I was not trying to make a political point.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 20, 2021 6:42:43 GMT
By your own admission you’d have waited even after the government lockdown in the first instance to “gain more evidence”. Your actions would have caused tens more thousands of vulnerable people to die, you’d have been more dangerous than Boris Johnson let that sink in for a moment. Lockdown didn’t cause there to be 40,000 less hospital beds, it didn’t cause a shortage of nurses and doctors to fill the white elephant super hospitals meaning Covid patients couldn’t be separated from those with everyday conditions that needed treating. It didn’t create a situation whereby those with mental health issues couldn’t get the treatment they needed. Austerity did. But austerity didn’t affect you so you were quiet, lockdown does so you resort to hyperbole such as “second only to a war crime”. I’ll leave it there, time for bed…… Dont even know where to start with this, it's so misinformed. So let's just park the first and second lockdowns for a second. What is your justification behind this third set of restrictions/lockdown? Deaths are declining and hospitals aren't anymore overwhelmed than they typically would be in any average flu season. Scientists around the world including the very scientist who discovered omicron is telling us it results in similar symptoms to a cold and thinks we're significantly overreacting. One person in a population of 70 million has thus far died within 28 days of a positive test. Convince me why an entire nation - that has already suffered for two years - should suffer further hardship in the name of what appears to be a largely non fatal variant? Convince me why our children should be sacrificed, livelihoods, lives, businesses and families sacrificed YET AGAIN in the name of the health service and a virus with an incredibly low fatality rate? You keep spouting on about austerity - which no one is even defending - as some kind of diversion tactic. Respectfully, you do not speak for the NHS. I have family who work in the NHS and indeed there are countless posters on here who work in the NHS and similarly, they agree that we cannot keep living our lives in this absurd, endless, Orwellian, covid obsessed state of paralysis. Its time to move on. Surely you can see that? “What is my justification for a 3rd lockdown?” When have I ever said I approve of a 3rd lockdown? Answer: I haven’t.
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Post by lordb on Dec 20, 2021 8:26:43 GMT
You weaken your own arguments with this constant hyperbolic language. If you are trying to convince people it's not a good tactic to reference 'fascism' and 'war crime'. It's anything but hyperbolic. Your response is typical of someone who has supported the measures and therefore feels incredibly uncomfortable when called out on it. How you can call crippling a child's education, life or livelihood as anything other than a severe crime is beyond me. Those responsible will serve justice one day. That's aside from the millions of people who are having their businesses destroyed, their family destroyed, their mental health taken to breaking point and indeed their freedom to live their life seized. Stop defending these absurd restrictions that are based on fake data, censored media and openly exaggerated worst case scenarios. Wasn't aware that I'd actively supported the measures, thanks for letting me know. Of course lockdowns have caused enormous damage, that's well worth debating. My point was re you use of language War crime, that's just stupid As for your last paragraph here, sorry but that's absurd paranoid drivel
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 20, 2021 8:30:08 GMT
It's anything but hyperbolic. Your response is typical of someone who has supported the measures and therefore feels incredibly uncomfortable when called out on it. How you can call crippling a child's education, life or livelihood as anything other than a severe crime is beyond me. Those responsible will serve justice one day. That's aside from the millions of people who are having their businesses destroyed, their family destroyed, their mental health taken to breaking point and indeed their freedom to live their life seized. Stop defending these absurd restrictions that are based on fake data, censored media and openly exaggerated worst case scenarios. Wasn't aware that I'd actively supported the measures, thanks for letting me know. Of course lockdowns have caused enormous damage, that's well worth debating. My point was re you use of language War crime, that's just stupid As for your last paragraph here, sorry but that's absurd paranoid drivel Wow. So you think the government have been using valid data, media with integrity and accurate scenarios? We've literally just had one of the scientists responsible for the scenarios admit on twitter that they use worst case modelling!!
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 20, 2021 10:10:46 GMT
Wasn't aware that I'd actively supported the measures, thanks for letting me know. Of course lockdowns have caused enormous damage, that's well worth debating. My point was re you use of language War crime, that's just stupid As for your last paragraph here, sorry but that's absurd paranoid drivel Wow. So you think the government have been using valid data, media with integrity and accurate scenarios? We've literally just had one of the scientists responsible for the scenarios admit on twitter that they use worst case modelling!! You keep talking about accuracy, yet have no issues ranting and making accusations to fellow posters about things they don’t even believe or haven’t typed. Think you need to take a few deep breaths…..
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 20, 2021 10:16:01 GMT
Wow. So you think the government have been using valid data, media with integrity and accurate scenarios? We've literally just had one of the scientists responsible for the scenarios admit on twitter that they use worst case modelling!! You keep talking about accuracy, yet have no issues ranting and making accusations to fellow posters about things they don’t even believe or haven’t typed. Think you need to take a few deep breaths….. Coming from a guy who consistently defends restrictions and lockdowns but then claims he doesn't agree with restrictions and lockdowns but then continues to defend restrictions and lockdowns and never actually ever posts anything criticising them. You're as mixed up as Boris 😊
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 20, 2021 10:26:23 GMT
You keep talking about accuracy, yet have no issues ranting and making accusations to fellow posters about things they don’t even believe or haven’t typed. Think you need to take a few deep breaths….. Coming from a guy who consistently defends restrictions and lockdowns but then claims he doesn't agree with restrictions and lockdowns but then continues to defend restrictions and lockdowns and never actually ever posts anything criticising them. You're as mixed up as Boris 😊 You’re too far down the rabbit hole fella. I’ve not constantly defended lockdowns please stop making shit up. I’ve stated clearly on several occasions that I have no issues with mask wearing in certain situations such as shops, public transport and confined spaces at work along with social distancing and good hygiene practices. I have no issues with taking a lateral flow test before going to a family gathering or sporting event where vulnerable people might be. Other than that I’m literally living my life as normal as normal can be……
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 20, 2021 10:40:19 GMT
Coming from a guy who consistently defends restrictions and lockdowns but then claims he doesn't agree with restrictions and lockdowns but then continues to defend restrictions and lockdowns and never actually ever posts anything criticising them. You're as mixed up as Boris 😊 You’re too far down the rabbit hole fella. I’ve not constantly defended lockdowns please stop making shit up. I’ve stated clearly on several occasions that I have no issues with mask wearing in certain situations such as shops, public transport and confined spaces at work along with social distancing and good hygiene practices. I have no issues with taking a lateral flow test before going to a family gathering or sporting event where vulnerable people might be. Other than that I’m literally living my life as normal as normal can be…… Yet you criticised me (literally yesterday) for saying I wouldn't have plunged us into last year's lockdowns. So do you agree or disagree with measures like lockdowns, social distancing and wider covid restrictions? I'm not making shit up at all and you know I'm not. You've frequently posted on the coronavirus thread jibes or criticisms of posters opposing restrictions and literally never posted anything supporting the opposition of said restrictions - at least I haven't seen it. Your latest stock response to those opposing lockdowns appears to be "sounds like something someone who defended austerity would say". Which is fair enough, but don't deny it and then have a pop at others "making shit up".
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 20, 2021 10:48:40 GMT
You’re too far down the rabbit hole fella. I’ve not constantly defended lockdowns please stop making shit up. I’ve stated clearly on several occasions that I have no issues with mask wearing in certain situations such as shops, public transport and confined spaces at work along with social distancing and good hygiene practices. I have no issues with taking a lateral flow test before going to a family gathering or sporting event where vulnerable people might be. Other than that I’m literally living my life as normal as normal can be…… Yet you criticised me (literally yesterday) for saying I wouldn't have plunged us into last year's lockdowns. So do you agree or disagree with measures like lockdowns, social distancing and wider covid restrictions? I'm not making shit up at all and you know I'm not. You've frequently posted on the coronavirus thread jibes or criticisms of posters opposing restrictions and literally never posted anything supporting the opposition of said restrictions. Your latest stock response to those opposing lockdowns appears to be "sounds like something someone who defended austerity would say". Which is fair enough, but don't deny it and then have a pop at others "making shit up". I challenged you originally because I asked you directly if you would have locked down in March 2020 (I absolutely would have in the first instance), you said you would have waited and looked into the science more. That wait of an extra week, two weeks (or longer) and the exponential growth in deaths of the most vulnerable people in our society would have been disastrous. Not once have I advocated a third lockdown, I don’t believe it’s the right thing to do in any way shape or form. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be cautious in other ways such as the ones on my previous post though. So please feel free to clarify once and for all, if you wouldn’t have locked down in the FIRST instance what would you have done differently?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 20, 2021 10:55:36 GMT
Yet you criticised me (literally yesterday) for saying I wouldn't have plunged us into last year's lockdowns. So do you agree or disagree with measures like lockdowns, social distancing and wider covid restrictions? I'm not making shit up at all and you know I'm not. You've frequently posted on the coronavirus thread jibes or criticisms of posters opposing restrictions and literally never posted anything supporting the opposition of said restrictions. Your latest stock response to those opposing lockdowns appears to be "sounds like something someone who defended austerity would say". Which is fair enough, but don't deny it and then have a pop at others "making shit up". I challenged you originally because I asked you directly if you would have locked down in March 2020 (I absolutely would have in the first instance), you said you would have waited and looked into the science more. That wait of an extra week, two weeks (or longer) and the exponential growth in deaths of the most vulnerable people in our society would have been disastrous. So please feel free to clarify, if you wouldn’t have locked down in the FIRST instance what would you have done? I would have advised, not mandated (during March, April and May) last year that the elderly and vulnerable stayed at home and given the right financial incentive and support package to do so - as per the Great Barrington Decleration. I would never have enforced a national lockdown that actually breached the WHO's own pandemic response guidelines!! That said, I could understand why the government put us into a national lockdown for a few weeks while we got to grips with what this virus was. To then continue that for a few months and send us back into a bunch of restrictions and lockdowns a few months later was unforgivable, when it became patently obvious lockdowns don't work and we had to learn to live with this thing.
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Post by creweoatcake1 on Dec 20, 2021 13:02:58 GMT
You keep talking about accuracy, yet have no issues ranting and making accusations to fellow posters about things they don’t even believe or haven’t typed. Think you need to take a few deep breaths….. Coming from a guy who consistently defends restrictions and lockdowns but then claims he doesn't agree with restrictions and lockdowns but then continues to defend restrictions and lockdowns and never actually ever posts anything criticising them. You're as mixed up as Boris 😊 Mixed up as Boris! Is that actually possible?
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Post by cheadlepotter on Dec 20, 2021 13:08:28 GMT
Coming from a guy who consistently defends restrictions and lockdowns but then claims he doesn't agree with restrictions and lockdowns but then continues to defend restrictions and lockdowns and never actually ever posts anything criticising them. You're as mixed up as Boris 😊 Mixed up as Boris! Is that actually possible? Comparing Prestwich to Boris Johnson…I don’t think we’ve seen insults like that on here since the days of Sheiky!
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Post by misterj on Dec 20, 2021 18:19:32 GMT
Comedians on Radio 4 the other day were asked to come up with a punchline to the theme of ‘Levelling Up’ ….. one said “Northerners will believe anything!!” 🤣🤣
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Post by noustie on Dec 21, 2021 22:10:25 GMT
Haven't watched in yonks because it's usually fucking awful as someone who believes scotland has the ability of self governance. However growing up in Stoke gave it a go and its great see the folk haven’t changed - you are horrible fuckers but absolutely lovely for anyone who bothers their arse to get to know you. Took me twenty years but get the odd Christmas card
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Post by misterj on Dec 22, 2021 7:20:41 GMT
Not sure how people can be horrible fuckers and lovely all at once???
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Post by noustie on Dec 22, 2021 7:32:51 GMT
Not sure how people can be horrible fuckers and lovely all at once??? Skill that can't be taught ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif)
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Post by misterj on Dec 22, 2021 14:20:36 GMT
I’m intrigued ….. unless your comment is ironic/ tongue in cheek?
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Post by noustie on Dec 22, 2021 15:09:20 GMT
I’m intrigued ….. unless your comment is ironic/ tongue in cheek? It's a sweeping generalisation really but always get an air of cynicism from the area continually getting forgotten which creates a hard exterior and creates a resolve to look after your own. Aberdeen on the other hand because of the oil money is full of fur coats and no knickers type
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Post by dutchstokie on Mar 3, 2022 23:22:57 GMT
Anyone watching Question Time right now?
The Russian Commentator Konstantin Kisin really telling it like it is regarding the situation in Ukraine ……..just put the Conservative MP and Labour MP in their places regarding policies to tackle the problems right now and not to waffle on about party politics Good lad Konstantin….. finally someone telling the truth
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 3, 2022 23:29:41 GMT
Anyone watching Question Time right now? The Russian Commentator Konstantin Kisin really telling it like it is regarding the situation in Ukraine ……..just put the Conservative MP and Labour MP in their places regarding policies to tackle the problems right now and not to waffle on about party politics Good lad Konstantin….. finally someone telling the truth Yes he speaks very well
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 3, 2022 23:36:10 GMT
The Labour MP needs to stay off the Haribo, can’t shut the fucker up……
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Post by brotherleelove on Mar 3, 2022 23:37:45 GMT
The Labour MP needs to stay off the Haribo, can’t shut the fucker up…… Absolute gobshite.
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