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Post by dutchstokie on Dec 17, 2021 11:52:33 GMT
I thought the SNP bloke spoke fairly well actually, and I don’t usually have a lot of time for the SNP. And I would join in with all the praise about the audience, I felt they conducted themselves very very well and were a credit to the city. He's my MP up here and apart from a bit of shagging on the side a few years back, maybe, has been pretty well liked locally - he's been in since 2005 and had serious competition in 2010 too off Labour. Unfortunately one of few SNP MPs who actually had to graft for their seat and they are the worse for it. Brilliant ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) ...... it just seems so 'par for the course' nowadays by these MPs doesnt it....?
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Post by noustie on Dec 17, 2021 12:04:18 GMT
He's my MP up here and apart from a bit of shagging on the side a few years back, maybe, has been pretty well liked locally - he's been in since 2005 and had serious competition in 2010 too off Labour. Unfortunately one of few SNP MPs who actually had to graft for their seat and they are the worse for it. Brilliant ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) ...... it just seems so 'par for the course' nowadays by these MPs doesnt it....? www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/former-snp-deputy-stewart-hosie-13349194Pretty saucy in fairness!
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Post by yeokel on Dec 17, 2021 12:21:36 GMT
"She also claimed she “couldn’t keep her knickers on” when near Nationalist MPs." ![(rofl)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/wMWjB17JNiCK5pUPtfmL.gif)
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Post by andystokey on Dec 17, 2021 13:04:39 GMT
All those cheering Nandy (and rightly) would still do well to remember why Stoke has no Labour MPs at the moment. Because none of them were conviction politicians fit to lace her shoes?
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Post by maxplonk on Dec 17, 2021 14:59:13 GMT
All those cheering Nandy (and rightly) would still do well to remember why Stoke has no Labour MPs at the moment. Because none of them were conviction politicians fit to lace her shoes? Possibly, but I meant that the city had been neglected for too long under Labour as well. The soundbites I saw of her were convincing, but it's all been said before.
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Post by creweoatcake1 on Dec 18, 2021 6:51:28 GMT
We both voted for her at the time! She is the future, not more of the past! Lisa is a fantastic, passionate and decent MP but I said this at the time of the Labour leadership campaign, the chink in her armour is that I think she appears vulnerable when one of her statements have been exposed and is then unable to talk her way out of it. If that happened in Parliament, Johnson would roast her alive. Not sure that Johnson "Would roast her alive?" We see every Wednesday at PMQ's when he already knows what questions are coming! All he does is memorises answers and then plays to the crowd and questions others (Particularly the last one, with no come back from Starmer), NEVER ANSWERING A DIRECT QUESTION. The speaker needs to pull him up more than he does! Since the Leadership election Lisa Nandy has grown in both confidence and stature in my honest opinion! If I may join the debate on the audience, Taking Politics out of it there were what I call PROPER ORDINARY PEOPLE wearing their hearts on their sleeves speaking passionately about the area that they care about! As for the 3 local MP's ..... Their absence speaks volumes!
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Post by creweoatcake1 on Dec 18, 2021 6:54:26 GMT
All those cheering Nandy (and rightly) would still do well to remember why Stoke has no Labour MPs at the moment. And some would do well to remember who decimated both the Steel and Mining industries in this City. Don't think that was the 3 local MP's?
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Post by elystokie on Dec 18, 2021 8:16:57 GMT
Lisa is a fantastic, passionate and decent MP but I said this at the time of the Labour leadership campaign, the chink in her armour is that I think she appears vulnerable when one of her statements have been exposed and is then unable to talk her way out of it. If that happened in Parliament, Johnson would roast her alive. Not sure that Johnson "Would roast her alive?" We see every Wednesday at PMQ's when he already knows what questions are coming! All he does is memorises answers and then plays to the crowd and questions others (Particularly the last one, with no come back from Starmer), NEVER ANSWERING A DIRECT QUESTION. The speaker needs to pull him up more than he does! Since the Leadership election Lisa Nandy has grown in both confidence and stature in my honest opinion! If I may join the debate on the audience, Taking Politics out of it there were what I call PROPER ORDINARY PEOPLE wearing their hearts on their sleeves speaking passionately about the area that they care about! As for the 3 local MP's ..... Their absence speaks volumes! Very odd that none of the local MPs were there, I'm no QT regular viewer but I'd have thought it was a given that at least one or two local politians pitched up for stuff like this.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Dec 18, 2021 9:24:01 GMT
We both voted for her at the time! She is the future, not more of the past! Lisa is a fantastic, passionate and decent MP but I said this at the time of the Labour leadership campaign, the chink in her armour is that I think she appears vulnerable when one of her statements have been exposed and is then unable to talk her way out of it. If that happened in Parliament, Johnson would roast her alive. Really? Her Andrew Neil interview during the campaign showed exactly the opposite, she took him on more effectively than any other candidate when he challenged her. Won her significant extra donations
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 18, 2021 10:47:12 GMT
Not sure that Johnson "Would roast her alive?" We see every Wednesday at PMQ's when he already knows what questions are coming! All he does is memorises answers and then plays to the crowd and questions others (Particularly the last one, with no come back from Starmer), NEVER ANSWERING A DIRECT QUESTION. The speaker needs to pull him up more than he does! Since the Leadership election Lisa Nandy has grown in both confidence and stature in my honest opinion! If I may join the debate on the audience, Taking Politics out of it there were what I call PROPER ORDINARY PEOPLE wearing their hearts on their sleeves speaking passionately about the area that they care about! As for the 3 local MP's ..... Their absence speaks volumes! Very odd that none of the local MPs were there, I'm no QT regular viewer but I'd have thought it was a given that at least one or two local politians pitched up for stuff like this. Although I haven't watched for a couple of years I think it's rarer than you think to have local mp's on, QT although political based is an entertainment show and they want the biggest tv audience possible so they go for "names" / ministers / shadow ministers, the aim is to hear from local people on national issues, they don't really want to hear about local issues.
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Post by ChesterStokie on Dec 18, 2021 10:57:49 GMT
Very odd that none of the local MPs were there, I'm no QT regular viewer but I'd have thought it was a given that at least one or two local politians pitched up for stuff like this. Although I haven't watched for a couple of years I think it's rarer than you think to have local mp's on, QT although political based is an entertainment show and they want the biggest tv audience possible so they go for "names" / ministers / shadow ministers, the aim is to hear from local people on national issues, they don't really want to hear about local issues. Correct. The Tory and Labour parties will be allocated one slot each on every show and they rarely put up the local MP. Having said that I can’t think that any of the local MPs would have done any worse than that Tory minister...
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Post by OldStokie on Dec 18, 2021 11:09:59 GMT
All those cheering Nandy (and rightly) would still do well to remember why Stoke has no Labour MPs at the moment. And some would do well to remember who decimated both the Steel and Mining industries in this City. Don't think that was the 3 local MP's? You're correct. It wasn't them who decimated our local industries. It was Thatcher and her acolytes when they decided to change our economy from a manufacturing one to a service one in their ideological battle to take power from ordinary working class people in favour of a free market economy where more money could be made by exploiting cheap labour abroad to fill their coffers. OS.
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Post by elystokie on Dec 18, 2021 12:07:24 GMT
Very odd that none of the local MPs were there, I'm no QT regular viewer but I'd have thought it was a given that at least one or two local politians pitched up for stuff like this. Although I haven't watched for a couple of years I think it's rarer than you think to have local mp's on, QT although political based is an entertainment show and they want the biggest tv audience possible so they go for "names" / ministers / shadow ministers, the aim is to hear from local people on national issues, they don't really want to hear about local issues. It was probably a sensible move on their part to be fair, considering the battering whoever it was they drafted in got. Seemed the people that were there in the audience certainly wanted to talk about local issues, not surprising really.
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Post by shakermaker on Dec 18, 2021 20:16:45 GMT
Although I haven't watched for a couple of years I think it's rarer than you think to have local mp's on, QT although political based is an entertainment show and they want the biggest tv audience possible so they go for "names" / ministers / shadow ministers, the aim is to hear from local people on national issues, they don't really want to hear about local issues. It was probably a sensible move on their part to be fair, considering the battering whoever it was they drafted in got. Seemed the people that were there in the audience certainly wanted to talk about local issues, not surprising really. I think it’s for this reason that MPs (even the big name ones) only make appearances on QT when it’s not being held in their own constituency. They never want to face difficult questions in public! Out of interest, has anyone been to the local surgeries of our own MPs? If so, do they provide direct answers or solutions to the questions posed by the Stokie audience?
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Post by misterj on Dec 18, 2021 23:14:20 GMT
Hasn’t someone calculated that the money taken OUT of the Stoke public recently (reduction in universal credit, increased N.I. contributions etc) more or less matches the £56 million levelling up payments so they’ve actually given us sweet F.A. !! Funny when you go to London and miss a tube train on a less used line, you still only have to wait 4 or 5 minutes for the next one to come along. Imagine missing the Crewe train from Stoke? You then have a sweet 60 minutes to wait …… I say reopen stations such as Meir Trentham and Etruria. Imagine how popular Etruria station would be now that there’s thousands of employees at Bet365, Vodafone etc?
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Post by maxplonk on Dec 19, 2021 8:03:38 GMT
And some would do well to remember who decimated both the Steel and Mining industries in this City. Don't think that was the 3 local MP's? You're correct. It wasn't them who decimated our local industries. It was Thatcher and her acolytes when they decided to change our economy from a manufacturing one to a service one in their ideological battle to take power from ordinary working class people in favour of a free market economy where more money could be made by exploiting cheap labour abroad to fill their coffers. OS. All this is correct, of course. The point I was trying to make was that the nice noises made by Lisa Nandy (bless her) have been made previously by Labour MPs but with very little to show for it.
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Post by misterj on Dec 19, 2021 10:30:05 GMT
I think generally big personalities get the larger vote (eg Thatcher, Clinton, Blair, Johnson …..even ….. Trump! Labour’s problem is that Starmer lacks that wow factor/X factor as he’s obviously very clinical and measured with his barrister background (not his fault, obviously) I think someone like Nandy would get a bigger vote than Starmer in the Nortj + Midlands but whether that would be enough to topple the Tories is another matter. In times of crisis (ie now!) people trust Tories with finances much more than they do Labour I’m afraid …. And it riles me to have to admit this!
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 19, 2021 15:18:53 GMT
I think generally big personalities get the larger vote (eg Thatcher, Clinton, Blair, Johnson …..even ….. Trump! Labour’s problem is that Starmer lacks that wow factor/X factor as he’s obviously very clinical and measured with his barrister background (not his fault, obviously) I think someone like Nandy would get a bigger vote than Starmer in the Nortj + Midlands but whether that would be enough to topple the Tories is another matter. In times of crisis (ie now!) people trust Tories with finances much more than they do Labour I’m afraid …. And it riles me to have to admit this! "In times of crisis (ie now!) people trust Tories with finances much more than they do Labour I’m afraid " This had in the past been generally true. Surely it cannot still be, anyway has anyone actually got any money left?
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Post by ChesterStokie on Dec 19, 2021 17:21:27 GMT
I think generally big personalities get the larger vote (eg Thatcher, Clinton, Blair, Johnson …..even ….. Trump! Labour’s problem is that Starmer lacks that wow factor/X factor as he’s obviously very clinical and measured with his barrister background (not his fault, obviously) I think someone like Nandy would get a bigger vote than Starmer in the Nortj + Midlands but whether that would be enough to topple the Tories is another matter. In times of crisis (ie now!) people trust Tories with finances much more than they do Labour I’m afraid …. And it riles me to have to admit this! "In times of crisis (ie now!) people trust Tories with finances much more than they do Labour I’m afraid " This had in the past been generally true. Surely it cannot still be, anyway has anyone actually got any money left? Yes. Lots of people. For the last 2 years the majority of the working population have continued to earn a full wage but their spending has been down. So there are hugh amounts of accumulated savings out there waiting to be spent.
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Post by misterj on Dec 19, 2021 18:55:35 GMT
👍🏻👍🏻 Thumbs up!!
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 19, 2021 19:38:48 GMT
"In times of crisis (ie now!) people trust Tories with finances much more than they do Labour I’m afraid " This had in the past been generally true. Surely it cannot still be, anyway has anyone actually got any money left? Yes. Lots of people. For the last 2 years the majority of the working population have continued to earn a full wage but their spending has been down. So there are hugh amounts of accumulated savings out there waiting to be spent. Im not sure if you noticed but peoples savings have earned next to nothing over the past 12 years.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 19, 2021 20:45:26 GMT
"In times of crisis (ie now!) people trust Tories with finances much more than they do Labour I’m afraid " This had in the past been generally true. Surely it cannot still be, anyway has anyone actually got any money left? Yes. Lots of people. For the last 2 years the majority of the working population have continued to earn a full wage but their spending has been down. So there are hugh amounts of accumulated savings out there waiting to be spent. Have you not seen what’s been happening to the cost of living? People with relatively comfortable lifestyles who’ve been spending less on coffees and meals out maybe, but those earning a low wage who were struggling anyway, not a chance……
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 19, 2021 21:29:41 GMT
Yes. Lots of people. For the last 2 years the majority of the working population have continued to earn a full wage but their spending has been down. So there are hugh amounts of accumulated savings out there waiting to be spent. Have you not seen what’s been happening to the cost of living? People with relatively comfortable lifestyles who’ve been spending less on coffees and meals out maybe, but those earning a low wage who were struggling anyway, not a chance…… I can’t imagine you’ve been spending less on coffee, the price of a soy latte has gone through the roof this year apparently.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 19, 2021 22:04:37 GMT
Yes. Lots of people. For the last 2 years the majority of the working population have continued to earn a full wage but their spending has been down. So there are hugh amounts of accumulated savings out there waiting to be spent. Have you not seen what’s been happening to the cost of living? People with relatively comfortable lifestyles who’ve been spending less on coffees and meals out maybe, but those earning a low wage who were struggling anyway, not a chance…… Lockdowns destroy the poor, benefit the elites. Never in our lifetime have we seen the wealth divide deepening like it currently is - Google, Amazon, Nike and Netflix are loving it mind. I darent think what state this nation will be in if these monsters put us in another lockdown.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 19, 2021 22:05:31 GMT
Have you not seen what’s been happening to the cost of living? People with relatively comfortable lifestyles who’ve been spending less on coffees and meals out maybe, but those earning a low wage who were struggling anyway, not a chance…… Lockdowns destroy the poor, benefit the elites. Never in our lifetime have we seen the wealth divide deepening like it currently is - Google, Amazon, Nike and Netflix are loving it mind. I darent think what state this nation will be in if these monsters put us in another lockdown. So did 10 years of austerity, it wasn’t much of a talking point on here if I recall…..
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 19, 2021 22:08:15 GMT
Lockdowns destroy the poor, benefit the elites. Never in our lifetime have we seen the wealth divide deepening like it currently is - Google, Amazon, Nike and Netflix are loving it mind. I darent think what state this nation will be in if these monsters put us in another lockdown. So did 10 years of austerity, it wasn’t much of a talking point on here if I recall….. I think locking people in their homes and taking kids out of school is somewhat more severe. Its one step away from a war crime.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 19, 2021 22:11:36 GMT
So did 10 years of austerity, it wasn’t much of a talking point on here if I recall….. I think locking people in their homes and taking kids out of school is somewhat more severe. Its one step away from a war crime. Sounds like something someone not affected by austerity would say to be honest…..
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Post by lordb on Dec 19, 2021 22:30:51 GMT
So did 10 years of austerity, it wasn’t much of a talking point on here if I recall….. I think locking people in their homes and taking kids out of school is somewhat more severe. Its one step away from a war crime. You weaken your own arguments with this constant hyperbolic language. If you are trying to convince people it's not a good tactic to reference 'fascism' and 'war crime'.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 19, 2021 22:34:26 GMT
I think locking people in their homes and taking kids out of school is somewhat more severe. Its one step away from a war crime. Sounds like something someone not affected by austerity would say to be honest….. I would suggest what you're saying sounds like someone who hasn't lost his job or members of his family as a result of lockdowns. I also find it pretty weird that your response to "lockdowns cause poverty" is "what about austerity". You can be critical of both but it's yet another example of your not so subtle attempts to defend the horrifying, oppressive measures being inflicted on the people.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 19, 2021 22:40:05 GMT
I think locking people in their homes and taking kids out of school is somewhat more severe. Its one step away from a war crime. You weaken your own arguments with this constant hyperbolic language. If you are trying to convince people it's not a good tactic to reference 'fascism' and 'war crime'. It's anything but hyperbolic. Your response is typical of someone who has supported the measures and therefore feels incredibly uncomfortable when called out on it. How you can call crippling a child's education, life or livelihood as anything other than a severe crime is beyond me. Those responsible will serve justice one day. That's aside from the millions of people who are having their businesses destroyed, their family destroyed, their mental health taken to breaking point and indeed their freedom to live their life seized. Stop defending these absurd restrictions that are based on fake data, censored media and openly exaggerated worst case scenarios.
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