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Post by raythesailor on Nov 19, 2022 18:05:29 GMT
The more I read this thread the less I want to watch THIS SHIT SHOW.
However I will tune in on Monday at 1255.
What a load of crap. I am ashamed of MYSELF and the English FA for not boycotting this years ago.
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Post by shakermaker on Nov 19, 2022 18:31:54 GMT
The more I read this thread the less I want to watch THIS SHIT SHOW. However I will tune in on Monday at 1255. What a load of crap. I am ashamed of MYSELF and the English FA for not boycotting this years ago. The only thing smoothing over my guilt for watching this sham of a World Cup is that it is at least free to view. Not a chance would I be paying a subscription to watch the tournament.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 19, 2022 18:39:35 GMT
Be interesting to see if the likes of Lineker and Neville back up their opposition to the competition being held in Qatar as stated.
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Post by stokiejoe on Nov 19, 2022 18:48:12 GMT
It's the best that bribery can buy. Summer tournament in winter, no problem. People dying whilst building, not their problem. 12 years to consider alcohol not a problem until 2 days before the start; despite the sponsors. Delay the start of course you can. Usually money talks, with Qatar money SHOUTS It stinks
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Nov 19, 2022 19:45:55 GMT
No doubt the first time in my life I really couldn't be bothered about a World Cup, even with Wales participation in it over England (well thats my choice obviously.....) It stinks just as FIFA stinks & to hear Infantino spouting utter gibberish like Blatter in his prime sums up the whole Association perfectly. Money talks & to quote The Who "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"
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Post by peterpan1 on Nov 19, 2022 20:43:42 GMT
In short, no. The biggest mistake ever made and purely driven by money and bungs to FIFA. It was a 100% given that Alchohol would be banned at matches. Its a Muslim country, why anyone in their right mind would bother with this shit show is beyond me.
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Post by Boothen on Nov 19, 2022 21:33:32 GMT
I'm in two minds, I want to watch England v Iran on Monday, but then I need to go shopping for a new winter parka. Currently I'm leaning to the side of parka.
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Post by noustie on Nov 19, 2022 21:54:25 GMT
I'm in two minds, I want to watch England v Iran on Monday, but then I need to go shopping for a new winter parka. Currently I'm leaning to the side of parka. Parka all day mate - start a thread; take some photos and my Monday at work is sorted!
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Post by Davef on Nov 19, 2022 22:54:55 GMT
Lad in The Glebe has just asked me to name three Qatar players.
I said "Eddie Van Halen, Angus Young and Jimi Hendrix".
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Post by noustie on Nov 19, 2022 23:20:15 GMT
Lad in The Glebe has just asked me to name three Qatar players. I said "Eddie Van Halen, Angus Young and Jimi Hendrix". Brian May right back and Steve Cradock through the middle?
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Post by dirtclod on Nov 20, 2022 3:52:22 GMT
Larry, Moe & Curly?
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Post by chuffedstokie on Nov 20, 2022 6:53:43 GMT
I'm in two minds, I want to watch England v Iran on Monday, but then I need to go shopping for a new winter parka. Currently I'm leaning to the side of parka. Parka all day mate - start a thread; take some photos and my Monday at work is sorted! I haven't owned a parka since school, off to the shops Monday expect a thread when I get back.
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Post by franklin on Nov 20, 2022 9:11:31 GMT
I've just seen a pillock from the US interviewed about the world cup and he hopes the UK do well fuck me they are the most bizarre folk.
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Post by andystokey on Nov 20, 2022 9:50:57 GMT
Parka all day mate - start a thread; take some photos and my Monday at work is sorted! I haven't owned a parka since school, off to the shops Monday expect a thread when I get back. Keep away from the big brands and go Skandi just bagged one of these 100% waterproof and warm www.didriksons.com/en/men/jackets/parkas
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Post by str8outtahampton on Nov 20, 2022 9:56:04 GMT
Those who feel the need to signal to the world how virtuous they are, as history tells us time and time again, are more often than not a cunt. 😊 Linekar is a perfect example. Lineker has done nothing wrong. He’s an excellent broadcaster and has excelled in both of his careers. Utter twaddle. Lineker's crimes are multiple and egregious. Top of the charge sheet are Virtue Signaller and Champagne Socialist. The very idea that a socialist might drink ("quaff" is the term often used) Champagne turns my stomach. Oh, and not taking that headed chance v Argentina towards the end of the 1986 Mexico game - I think it would have taken the match to extra time? The bloke should have been locked up for that. The same goes for Linekar.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 20, 2022 10:19:15 GMT
Lineker has done nothing wrong. He’s an excellent broadcaster and has excelled in both of his careers. Utter twaddle. Lineker's crimes are multiple and egregious. Top of the charge sheet are Virtue Signaller and Champagne Socialist. The very idea that a socialist might drink ("quaff" is the term often used) Champagne turns my stomach. Oh, and not taking that headed chance v Argentina towards the end of the 1986 Mexico game - I think it would have taken the match to extra time? The bloke should have been locked up for that. The same goes for Linekar. Virtue signalling and champagne socialist aren’t insults are they. God forbid people aren’t cunts and God forbid rich people hold socialist views. Pathetic stuff.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 20, 2022 10:21:45 GMT
Anyone else finding it quite bizarre hearing people who are staunch defenders of Islamic law and customs in the UK (typically labelling anyone who questions such traditions as racist) suddenly turning into vicious, angry, disgusted opponents of local laws and customs in an Islamic state like Qatar?Anyone would think there is a touch of hypocrisy to that? Arguably even a hint of "actual" racism? The world cup should never have been held in Qatar, I'd argue more on footballing grounds. How on earth can you justify a non footballing nation hosting the world's most prestigious tournament? But to try and implement your virtuous Western values in someone else's country is inherently wrong. I'm also a little confused as to why so many who are in uproar over Qatar, yet Russia hosted the world cup in 2018 while they were literally invading a sovereign nation. Why were you silent then? Was it because the media didn't fancy talking about that one? Putin had been hammering the South and East of Ukraine for 4 years by that point with an estimated death toll in the tens of thousands. Its incredible and frankly, harrowing how much power ghastly outfits like the BBC and Sky hold over the minds of so many in this country. What the hell does "staunch supporters of Islamic law and customs in the UK" actually mean: 1 People who want to have Islamic law and custom imposed on the UK? Outside of a few Islamic extremists there is literally no-one arguing for this in the UK or anyone else for that matter. 2 People who believe Muslims in the UK have the right to support Islamic law and custom on themselves? In terms of imposing law that's nonsense as no-one can impose laws apart from the government and everyone in this country has the right to support and follow their own customs providing they don't infringe on UK law and to my knowledge no-one is arguing that Muslims should be able to infringe UK law. 3 That people in the UK who have supported the rights of Islamic countries to impose Islamic law and custom on their own people are now hypocritically complaining about those countries doing it to their own people? That would be hypocritical but I can't think of anyone who has said this. 4 That people in the UK who have supported the rights of Islamic countries to impose Islamic law and custom on their own people are now hypocritically complaining about those countries imposing it on them when they visit? I agree that is hypocritical but I'd put money on the fact that these are the same people saying that Muslims should conform to British customs when in the UK. The reality is far more subtle than your very badly worded statement suggests. I suspect that the position of most people you want to brand as hypocrites (like myself) is that Muslims in the UK have the right to adopt their own customs while living in the UK providing they don't contradict UK law and while accepting that Islamic cultures have the right to implement laws and customs on their own people they also believe some of those laws and customs (e.g. the death penalty for homosexuality) to be barbaric and support people in those countries in challenging those laws and customs - which is logically consistent and not in the slightest hypocritical. Most of the complaints being made about the World Cup in Qatar also have nothing to to do with Islam - which raises the questions as to why you have brought this into the debate? 1 The awarding of the World Cup to Qatar was corrupt. It was awarded by the then head of FIFA, Sepp Blatter, who, to my knowledge, is not Muslim. 2 Thousands of migrant labourers (many of them Muslim) have been abused and have died in building the stadia in Qatar. To my understanding this is not Islamic behaviour - it's unscrupulous business practice enabled by the sort of ineffective labour laws that many on the libertarian right would like every country to adopt. 3 The decision to restrict the sale of alcohol is a legitimate constraint for an Islamic country to impose and anyone visiting Qatar would know that is a condition of attendance and should abide by it. Most people have accepted this - the recent complaint is around the fact that the Qatari's said they would allow the sale of alcohol at grounds and have reneged on that promise. To my knowledge reneging on promises is not a practice condoned in the Koran. 4 The fight for gay rights is a trans-national and trans-religious issue and Qatar is a legitimate battlefield for that debate. This isn't just an issue with Islam - for example the Church of England to this day is still ambivalent about homosexuals in the church and homosexuality was still illegal in my lifetime - and it still would if people hadn't stood up for those rights. You like to compartmentalise people into the (libertarian) right-minded and the (ghastly) woke left and your posts are just fuzzy excuses for your bizarrely simplistic way of categorising people. The real world is far more subtle and complex than that.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 20, 2022 10:24:54 GMT
Anyone else finding it quite bizarre hearing people who are staunch defenders of Islamic law and customs in the UK (typically labelling anyone who questions such traditions as racist) suddenly turning into vicious, angry, disgusted opponents of local laws and customs in an Islamic state like Qatar?Anyone would think there is a touch of hypocrisy to that? Arguably even a hint of "actual" racism? The world cup should never have been held in Qatar, I'd argue more on footballing grounds. How on earth can you justify a non footballing nation hosting the world's most prestigious tournament? But to try and implement your virtuous Western values in someone else's country is inherently wrong. I'm also a little confused as to why so many who are in uproar over Qatar, yet Russia hosted the world cup in 2018 while they were literally invading a sovereign nation. Why were you silent then? Was it because the media didn't fancy talking about that one? Putin had been hammering the South and East of Ukraine for 4 years by that point with an estimated death toll in the tens of thousands. Its incredible and frankly, harrowing how much power ghastly outfits like the BBC and Sky hold over the minds of so many in this country. What the hell does "staunch supporters of Islamic law and customs in the UK" actually mean: 1 People who want to have Islamic law and custom imposed on the UK? Outside of a few Islamic extremists there is literally no-one arguing for this in the UK or anyone else for that matter. 2 People who believe Muslims in the UK have the right to support Islamic law and custom on themselves? In terms of imposing law that's nonsense as no-one can impose laws apart from the government and everyone in this country has the right to support and follow their own customs providing they don't infringe on UK law and to my knowledge no-one is arguing that Muslims should be able to infringe UK law. 3 That people in the UK who have supported the rights of Islamic countries to impose Islamic law and custom on their own people are now hypocritically complaining about those countries doing it to their own people? That would be hypocritical but I can't think of anyone who has said this. 4 That people in the UK who have supported the rights of Islamic countries to impose Islamic law and custom on their own people are now hypocritically complaining about those countries imposing it on them when they visit? I agree that is hypocritical but I'd put money on the fact that these are the same people saying that Muslims should conform to British customs when in the UK. The reality is far more subtle than your very badly worded statement suggests. I suspect that the position of most people you want to brand as hypocrites (like myself) is that Muslims in the UK have the right to adopt their own customs while living in the UK providing they don't contradict UK law and while accepting that Islamic cultures have the right to implement laws and customs on their own people they also believe some of those laws and customs (e.g. the death penalty for homosexuality) to be barbaric and support people in those countries in challenging those laws and customs - which is logically consistent and not in the slightest hypocritical. Most of the complaints being made about the World Cup in Qatar also have nothing to to do with Islam - which raises the questions as to why you have brought this into the debate? 1 The awarding of the World Cup to Qatar was corrupt. It was awarded by the then head of FIFA, Sepp Blatter, who, to my knowledge, is not Muslim. 2 Thousands of migrant labourers (many of them Muslim) have been abused and have died in building the stadia in Qatar. To my understanding this is not Islamic behaviour - it's unscrupulous business practice enabled by the sort of ineffective labour laws that many on the libertarian right would like every country to adopt. 3 The decision to restrict the sale of alcohol is a legitimate constraint for an Islamic country to impose and anyone visiting Qatar would know that is a condition of attendance and should abide by it. Most people have accepted this - the recent complaint is around the fact that the Qatari's said they would allow the sale of alcohol at grounds and have reneged on that promise. To my knowledge reneging on promises is not a practice condoned in the Koran. 4 The fight for gay rights is a trans-national and trans-religious issue and Qatar is a legitimate battlefield for that debate. This isn't just an issue with Islam - for example the Church of England to this day is still ambivalent about homosexuals in the church and homosexuality was still illegal in my lifetime - and it still would if people hadn't stood up for those rights. You like to compartmentalise people into the (libertarian) right-minded and the (ghastly) woke left and your posts are just fuzzy excuses for your bizarrely simplistic way of categorising people. The real world is far more subtle and complex than that. He’s falling further and further down the rabbit hole………
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2022 10:35:27 GMT
Anyone else finding it quite bizarre hearing people who are staunch defenders of Islamic law and customs in the UK (typically labelling anyone who questions such traditions as racist) suddenly turning into vicious, angry, disgusted opponents of local laws and customs in an Islamic state like Qatar?Anyone would think there is a touch of hypocrisy to that? Arguably even a hint of "actual" racism? The world cup should never have been held in Qatar, I'd argue more on footballing grounds. How on earth can you justify a non footballing nation hosting the world's most prestigious tournament? But to try and implement your virtuous Western values in someone else's country is inherently wrong. I'm also a little confused as to why so many who are in uproar over Qatar, yet Russia hosted the world cup in 2018 while they were literally invading a sovereign nation. Why were you silent then? Was it because the media didn't fancy talking about that one? Putin had been hammering the South and East of Ukraine for 4 years by that point with an estimated death toll in the tens of thousands. Its incredible and frankly, harrowing how much power ghastly outfits like the BBC and Sky hold over the minds of so many in this country. What the hell does "staunch supporters of Islamic law and customs in the UK" actually mean: 1 People who want to have Islamic law and custom imposed on the UK? Outside of a few Islamic extremists there is literally no-one arguing for this in the UK or anyone else for that matter. 2 People who believe Muslims in the UK have the right to support Islamic law and custom on themselves? In terms of imposing law that's nonsense as no-one can impose laws apart from the government and everyone in this country has the right to support and follow their own customs providing they don't infringe on UK law and to my knowledge no-one is arguing that Muslims should be able to infringe UK law. 3 That people in the UK who have supported the rights of Islamic countries to impose Islamic law and custom on their own people are now hypocritically complaining about those countries doing it to their own people? That would be hypocritical but I can't think of anyone who has said this. 4 That people in the UK who have supported the rights of Islamic countries to impose Islamic law and custom on their own people are now hypocritically complaining about those countries imposing it on them when they visit? I agree that is hypocritical but I'd put money on the fact that these are the same people saying that Muslims should conform to British customs when in the UK. The reality is far more subtle than your very badly worded statement suggests. I suspect that the position of most people you want to brand as hypocrites (like myself) is that Muslims in the UK have the right to adopt their own customs while living in the UK providing they don't contradict UK law and while accepting that Islamic cultures have the right to implement laws and customs on their own people they also believe some of those laws and customs (e.g. the death penalty for homosexuality) to be barbaric and support people in those countries in challenging those laws and customs - which is logically consistent and not in the slightest hypocritical. Most of the complaints being made about the World Cup in Qatar also have nothing to to do with Islam - which raises the questions as to why you have brought this into the debate? 1 The awarding of the World Cup to Qatar was corrupt. It was awarded by the then head of FIFA, Sepp Blatter, who, to my knowledge, is not Muslim. 2 Thousands of migrant labourers (many of them Muslim) have been abused and have died in building the stadia in Qatar. To my understanding this is not Islamic behaviour - it's unscrupulous business practice enabled by the sort of ineffective labour laws that many on the libertarian right would like every country to adopt. 3 The decision to restrict the sale of alcohol is a legitimate constraint for an Islamic country to impose and anyone visiting Qatar would know that is a condition of attendance and should abide by it. Most people have accepted this - the recent complaint is around the fact that the Qatari's said they would allow the sale of alcohol at grounds and have reneged on that promise. To my knowledge reneging on promises is not a practice condoned in the Koran. 4 The fight for gay rights is a trans-national and trans-religious issue and Qatar is a legitimate battlefield for that debate. This isn't just an issue with Islam - for example the Church of England to this day is still ambivalent about homosexuals in the church and homosexuality was still illegal in my lifetime - and it still would if people hadn't stood up for those rights. You like to compartmentalise people into the (libertarian) right-minded and the (ghastly) woke left and your posts are just fuzzy excuses for your bizarrely simplistic way of categorising people. The real world is far more subtle and complex than that. Such an articulate post but it's wasted mate I'm afraid
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Post by kidcrewbob on Nov 20, 2022 11:32:12 GMT
Parka all day mate - start a thread; take some photos and my Monday at work is sorted! I haven't owned a parka since school, off to the shops Monday expect a thread when I get back. Ah that unique smell of wet parkas in the 70s cloakrooms - a mouldy rubbery aroma and straggly drippy fur around the hood......
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Post by neckender78 on Nov 20, 2022 11:44:45 GMT
My stance on this world cup hasn't changed since it was announced 12 years ago. The award clearly steeped in corruption, I know objection was raised by many voices at the time but it should have been pushed much further. I absolutely love the world cup, followed England at 2 but knew my interest in this farce would be very limited.
Many voices went quiet for years but have now come back far too late. If the FA objected that much to the corrupt award and human rights issues in Qatar they should have pulled the team out before the qualifying group and make a massive statement which I would have backed but no nothing. Now wanting to make their voices heard with wearing an armband which might get them a fine. Wow amazing that will change the Qataris stance on gay rights.
We have toed the line and are at Qatar and as much as I disagree with the whole world cup and the backward stance of Qatar I don't agree with forcing the West's opinions onto other cultures in their backyard. We should have made a much bigger statement years ago by telling FIFA and Qatar to fuck off.
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Post by shakermaker on Nov 20, 2022 12:45:19 GMT
Anyone actually watching the game later?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 20, 2022 12:56:45 GMT
What the hell does "staunch supporters of Islamic law and customs in the UK" actually mean: 1 People who want to have Islamic law and custom imposed on the UK? Outside of a few Islamic extremists there is literally no-one arguing for this in the UK or anyone else for that matter. 2 People who believe Muslims in the UK have the right to support Islamic law and custom on themselves? In terms of imposing law that's nonsense as no-one can impose laws apart from the government and everyone in this country has the right to support and follow their own customs providing they don't infringe on UK law and to my knowledge no-one is arguing that Muslims should be able to infringe UK law. 3 That people in the UK who have supported the rights of Islamic countries to impose Islamic law and custom on their own people are now hypocritically complaining about those countries doing it to their own people? That would be hypocritical but I can't think of anyone who has said this. 4 That people in the UK who have supported the rights of Islamic countries to impose Islamic law and custom on their own people are now hypocritically complaining about those countries imposing it on them when they visit? I agree that is hypocritical but I'd put money on the fact that these are the same people saying that Muslims should conform to British customs when in the UK. The reality is far more subtle than your very badly worded statement suggests. I suspect that the position of most people you want to brand as hypocrites (like myself) is that Muslims in the UK have the right to adopt their own customs while living in the UK providing they don't contradict UK law and while accepting that Islamic cultures have the right to implement laws and customs on their own people they also believe some of those laws and customs (e.g. the death penalty for homosexuality) to be barbaric and support people in those countries in challenging those laws and customs - which is logically consistent and not in the slightest hypocritical. Most of the complaints being made about the World Cup in Qatar also have nothing to to do with Islam - which raises the questions as to why you have brought this into the debate? 1 The awarding of the World Cup to Qatar was corrupt. It was awarded by the then head of FIFA, Sepp Blatter, who, to my knowledge, is not Muslim. 2 Thousands of migrant labourers (many of them Muslim) have been abused and have died in building the stadia in Qatar. To my understanding this is not Islamic behaviour - it's unscrupulous business practice enabled by the sort of ineffective labour laws that many on the libertarian right would like every country to adopt. 3 The decision to restrict the sale of alcohol is a legitimate constraint for an Islamic country to impose and anyone visiting Qatar would know that is a condition of attendance and should abide by it. Most people have accepted this - the recent complaint is around the fact that the Qatari's said they would allow the sale of alcohol at grounds and have reneged on that promise. To my knowledge reneging on promises is not a practice condoned in the Koran. 4 The fight for gay rights is a trans-national and trans-religious issue and Qatar is a legitimate battlefield for that debate. This isn't just an issue with Islam - for example the Church of England to this day is still ambivalent about homosexuals in the church and homosexuality was still illegal in my lifetime - and it still would if people hadn't stood up for those rights. You like to compartmentalise people into the (libertarian) right-minded and the (ghastly) woke left and your posts are just fuzzy excuses for your bizarrely simplistic way of categorising people. The real world is far more subtle and complex than that. He’s falling further and further down the rabbit hole……… I know - and so are a good few others. The belief that the answers lie in a network of bat shit crazy, dodgily funded alt right web sites is probably going to be the longest lasting and most dangerous legacy of covid. I still think it's worthwhile pointing out that the rabbit hole is a dank, dark place every now and again even if it falls on deaf floppy ears.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 20, 2022 13:01:18 GMT
He’s falling further and further down the rabbit hole……… I know - and so are a good few others. The belief that the answers lie in a network of bat shit crazy, dodgily funded alt right web sites is probably going to be the longest lasting and most dangerous legacy of covid. I still think it's worthwhile pointing out that the rabbit hole is a dank, dark place every now and again even if it falls on deaf floppy ears. Absolutely…….
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Post by maninasuitcase on Nov 20, 2022 15:23:31 GMT
Qatar spent £220billion to stage the world cup. Thats fucking ridiculous. They must have had nothing in place when the bidding went in. How can that be right.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 20, 2022 15:25:22 GMT
Qatar spent £220billion to stage the world cup. Thats fucking ridiculous. They must have had nothing in place when the bidding went in. How can that be right. All stadiums new, all hotels, a brand new transport infrastructure. Sounds like a bargain!
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Post by metalhead on Nov 20, 2022 15:26:24 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 20, 2022 15:44:22 GMT
Be interesting to see if the likes of Lineker and Neville back up their opposition to the competition being held in Qatar as stated. Well the BBC have just spent the first half, of the opening hour, of their first programme of the tournament, not pulling any punches at all, in their criticism of both FIFA and Qatar. I was really surprised at how candid they were in their condemnation.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 20, 2022 15:45:07 GMT
Be interesting to see if the likes of Lineker and Neville back up their opposition to the competition being held in Qatar as stated. Well the BBC have just spent the first half, of the opening hour, of their first programme of the tournament, not pulling any punches at all, in their criticism of both FIFA and Qatar. I was really surprised at how candid they were in their condemnation. As was I. Hopefully that’s the end of it
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 20, 2022 15:46:12 GMT
Well the BBC have just spent the first half, of the opening hour, of their first programme of the tournament, not pulling any punches at all, in their criticism of both FIFA and Qatar. I was really surprised at how candid they were in their condemnation. As was I. Hopefully that’s the end of it I suspect it will be, unless something specific happens.
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