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Post by franklin on Nov 19, 2022 12:39:45 GMT
Please don't tell me he said that !! It's outrageous if he did and the FA should respond accordingly. No, sorry. It’s just pretty much how he comes across bring up the history of the west. Ah ok no problem I'd listened to a bit and that was bonkers and disgusting, after his outburst he should be told to resign not reelected.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 19, 2022 12:54:56 GMT
Virtue signaller is another shit insult. Damn you for not being a cunt! 😂😂 Those who feel the need to signal to the world how virtuous they are, as history tells us time and time again, are more often than not a cunt. 😊 Linekar is a perfect example. Bang on
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 19, 2022 13:00:21 GMT
FIFA president Infantino has this morning held a Peres conference wher he gave a one hour monologue lecturing the worlds press and accusing them of hypocrisy in there reporting about Qatar’s human rights record. Is this the first sign of his, or even FIFA, starting to crack under pressure from the continued criticism they are experiencing? One lesson he should be aware of is don’t try to fight the press or media. As many celebrities and politicians have found out to their cost they, the press, will always have the last word. It will be interesting to see how this latest development evolves. Note to Admin. Please feel free to transfer this post to other WC threads if advisable. What a complete idiot! He is a disgrace to football, get rid!
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Post by AlliG on Nov 19, 2022 13:05:16 GMT
Water off a ducks back. They know when this is over Fifa can breathe a sigh of relief and move into a new phase onto the next pile of brown envelopes Edited it for you Joe.
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Post by shakermaker on Nov 19, 2022 13:09:54 GMT
His words; "We have been taught many lessons from Europeans and the Western world. I am European. For what we have been doing for 3,000 years around the world, we should be apologising for the next 3,000 years before giving moral lessons".I'd rather be judged on what I do nowadays, than bringing up whatever somebody did 1000's of years ago. The man is a muppet, he sits atop a corrupt organisation, and has the balls to denigrate those he feels should be a bit more lenient to another corrupt organisation, Qatar. Fuck him, and all who agree with him. How fucking dare he. “England used to burn people at the stake for believing in the wrong version of Christianity so they can’t complain about Qatar beheading people who are gay”. What a load of bollocks. He would have a point if England had not accepted that what happened in medieval times was wrong, which I believe we have. Qatar have not accepted that beheading gays is unjust.
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 19, 2022 13:10:56 GMT
Water off a ducks back. They know when this is over Fifa can breathe a sigh of relief and move into a new phase onto the next pile of brown envelopes Edited it for you Joe. 😁😁
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 19, 2022 13:21:26 GMT
Virtue signaller is another shit insult. Damn you for not being a cunt! 😂😂 Those who feel the need to signal to the world how virtuous they are, as history tells us time and time again, are more often than not a cunt. 😊 Linekar is a perfect example. Lineker has done nothing wrong. He’s an excellent broadcaster and has excelled in both of his careers.
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Post by masterpotter on Nov 19, 2022 13:26:45 GMT
I don’t actually think this World Cup will conclude Why do you say that? They reneged on alcohol. I think they will renege on their relaxed attitude to the LGBT community and public shows of affection and I think teams may be brought back.
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Post by shakermaker on Nov 19, 2022 13:38:15 GMT
They reneged on alcohol. I think they will renege on their relaxed attitude to the LGBT community and public shows of affection and I think teams may be brought back. Have they actually said PDAs are allowed? I think the message was basically gays are welcome and safety guaranteed so long as they don’t kiss or hold hands in public.
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Post by masterpotter on Nov 19, 2022 13:47:03 GMT
They reneged on alcohol. I think they will renege on their relaxed attitude to the LGBT community and public shows of affection and I think teams may be brought back. Have they actually said PDAs are allowed? I think the message was basically gays are welcome and safety guaranteed so long as they don’t kiss or hold hands in public. That’s big of them
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Post by masterpotter on Nov 19, 2022 13:49:40 GMT
This FA should bring England home from this corrupt tournament tomorrow. The tournament was bought 12 years ago. Imagine if the day before our first game we said no this isn’t for us. What a message that would send. Sadly no balls
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2022 13:50:19 GMT
They’ll likely make record revenue and move on. They sold $1b in tv rights to Fox and Telemundo. They’ll generate a lot more from other elements of the game. They made a tonne of money in Russia, which has some very questionable practices as well. The reality of it is, not enough people care to make a massive dent in their bottom line. I’m not so sure. There seems to be a lot that just don’t care and I think the viewing figures will be down here unless we do really well. The football can save them but I think they’re close to being undone as they’ll ever be. In the UK, perhaps. What about across the globe? I wonder what figures will be like across Asia, for example. Again, no one cared this much when Russia hosted, and if they did, FIFA made it through with record breaking revenue, so it didn’t seem to matter much.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 19, 2022 13:54:08 GMT
Anyone else finding it quite bizarre hearing people who are staunch defenders of Islamic law and customs in the UK (typically labelling anyone who questions such traditions as racist) suddenly turning into vicious, angry, disgusted opponents of local laws and customs in an Islamic state like Qatar?
Anyone would think there is a touch of hypocrisy to that? Arguably even a hint of "actual" racism?
The world cup should never have been held in Qatar, I'd argue more on footballing grounds. How on earth can you justify a non footballing nation hosting the world's most prestigious tournament? But to try and implement your virtuous Western values in someone else's country is inherently wrong.
I'm also a little confused as to why so many who are in uproar over Qatar, yet Russia hosted the world cup in 2018 while they were literally invading a sovereign nation. Why were you silent then? Was it because the media didn't fancy talking about that one? Putin had been hammering the South and East of Ukraine for 4 years by that point with an estimated death toll in the tens of thousands.
Its incredible and frankly, harrowing how much power ghastly outfits like the BBC and Sky hold over the minds of so many in this country.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 19, 2022 13:57:51 GMT
Anyone else finding it quite bizarre hearing people who are staunch defenders of Islamic law and customs in the UK (typically labelling anyone who questions such traditions as racist) suddenly turning into vicious, angry, disgusted opponents of local laws and customs in an Islamic state like Qatar? Anyone would think there is a touch of hypocrisy to that? Arguably even a hint of "actual" racism? The world cup should never have been held in Qatar, I'd argue more on footballing grounds. How on earth can you justify a non footballing nation hosting the world's most prestigious tournament? But to try and implement your virtuous Western values in someone else's country is inherently wrong. I'm also a little confused as to why so many who are in uproar over Qatar, yet Russia hosted the world cup in 2018 while they were literally invading a sovereign nation. Why were you silent then? Was it because the media didn't fancy talking about that one? Its incredible and frankly, harrowing how much power ghastly outfits like the BBC and Sky hold over the minds of so many in this country. 1) the issue is people making an issue when it’s not actually happening. 2) no, classic right wing shite, I can’t possibly be racist so everyone else is😂😂 3) no it’s not, allowing people to be free is never virtue signalling 4) there was loads of people complaining about Russia
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 19, 2022 14:04:38 GMT
Anyone else finding it quite bizarre hearing people who are staunch defenders of Islamic law and customs in the UK (typically labelling anyone who questions such traditions as racist) suddenly turning into vicious, angry, disgusted opponents of local laws and customs in an Islamic state like Qatar? Anyone would think there is a touch of hypocrisy to that? Arguably even a hint of "actual" racism? The world cup should never have been held in Qatar, I'd argue more on footballing grounds. How on earth can you justify a non footballing nation hosting the world's most prestigious tournament? But to try and implement your virtuous Western values in someone else's country is inherently wrong. I'm also a little confused as to why so many who are in uproar over Qatar, yet Russia hosted the world cup in 2018 while they were literally invading a sovereign nation. Why were you silent then? Was it because the media didn't fancy talking about that one? Its incredible and frankly, harrowing how much power ghastly outfits like the BBC and Sky hold over the minds of so many in this country. 1) the issue is people making an issue when it’s not actually happening. 2) no, classic right wing shite, I can’t possibly be racist so everyone else is😂😂 3) no it’s not, allowing people to be free is never virtue signalling 4) there was loads of people complaining about Russia So much wrong with that post. Allowing people to be free?! Didn't you quite literally post during the Covid scandal that you were supportive of anti lockdown protestors being thrown in police vans and vaccine mandates? 😂 "Loads of people complaining about Russia" my arse. You know that's fucking bullshit. The media were trying to deter fans from travelling on the grounds a load of Russian thugs would beat them up - A complete lie of course - But there was nothing comparative to the reaction we are seeing to Qatar. And barely anything around Putin murdering Ukrainians and Russian teenagers in the Donbass.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 19, 2022 14:09:47 GMT
1) the issue is people making an issue when it’s not actually happening. 2) no, classic right wing shite, I can’t possibly be racist so everyone else is😂😂 3) no it’s not, allowing people to be free is never virtue signalling 4) there was loads of people complaining about Russia So much wrong with that post. Allowing people to be free?! Didn't you quite literally post during the Covid scandal that you were supportive of anti lockdown protestors being thrown in police vans and vaccine mandates? 😂 "Loads of people complaining about Russia" my arse. You know that's fucking bullshit. The media were trying to deter fans from travelling on the grounds a load of Russian thugs would beat them up - A complete lie of course - But there was nothing comparative to the reaction we are seeing to Qatar. And barely anything around Putin murdering Ukrainians and Russian teenagers in the Donbass. Yes because it was the right thing to do to protect people as was shown. And no it’s not. There was plenty of people not happy with it.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 19, 2022 14:10:48 GMT
So much wrong with that post. Allowing people to be free?! Didn't you quite literally post during the Covid scandal that you were supportive of anti lockdown protestors being thrown in police vans and vaccine mandates? 😂 "Loads of people complaining about Russia" my arse. You know that's fucking bullshit. The media were trying to deter fans from travelling on the grounds a load of Russian thugs would beat them up - A complete lie of course - But there was nothing comparative to the reaction we are seeing to Qatar. And barely anything around Putin murdering Ukrainians and Russian teenagers in the Donbass. Yes because it was the right thing to do to protect people as was shown. And no it’s not. There was plenty of people not happy with it. Oh for godsake, seriously?! 😂
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Post by toppercorner on Nov 19, 2022 14:25:49 GMT
it's turning into another Fyre Festival quicker than even i anticipated
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Post by cheadlepotter on Nov 19, 2022 14:49:36 GMT
This FA should bring England home from this corrupt tournament tomorrow. The tournament was bought 12 years ago. Imagine if the day before our first game we said no this isn’t for us. What a message that would send. Sadly no balls I’m usually like a child at Christmas every 2nd summer, especially every 4th, but I’d love it if that happened. It would be shame for the few mad folk who’ve travelled over there but I’m yet to speak to anyone who’s excited for this World Cup and though I’ll be watching England I’d be happier having that choice taken away from me.
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Post by franklin on Nov 19, 2022 15:27:48 GMT
This FA should bring England home from this corrupt tournament tomorrow. The tournament was bought 12 years ago. Imagine if the day before our first game we said no this isn’t for us. What a message that would send. Sadly no balls I’m usually like a child at Christmas every 2nd summer, especially every 4th, but I’d love it if that happened. It would be shame for the few mad folk who’ve travelled over there but I’m yet to speak to anyone who’s excited for this World Cup and though I’ll be watching England I’d be happier having that choice taken away from me. Me too mate I usually watch each and every game even the "lesser" games like Iran v USA for arguments sake but this time I'll watch our games and nowt else. I think it's too late to bring teams home so just let it crack on and hope these corrupt thieves do it right from now on but I'm not holding my breath.
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Post by werrington on Nov 19, 2022 15:32:57 GMT
This FA should bring England home from this corrupt tournament tomorrow. The tournament was bought 12 years ago. Imagine if the day before our first game we said no this isn’t for us. What a message that would send. Sadly no balls I’m usually like a child at Christmas every 2nd summer, especially every 4th, but I’d love it if that happened. It would be shame for the few mad folk who’ve travelled over there but I’m yet to speak to anyone who’s excited for this World Cup and though I’ll be watching England I’d be happier having that choice taken away from me. It’s because it’s happened around the football season and not a 6 week gap before it started People have been talking about Stoke not England
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Post by tcdobinghoff on Nov 19, 2022 15:37:48 GMT
Anyone else finding it quite bizarre hearing people who are staunch defenders of Islamic law and customs in the UK (typically labelling anyone who questions such traditions as racist) suddenly turning into vicious, angry, disgusted opponents of local laws and customs in an Islamic state like Qatar?Anyone would think there is a touch of hypocrisy to that? Arguably even a hint of "actual" racism? The world cup should never have been held in Qatar, I'd argue more on footballing grounds. How on earth can you justify a non footballing nation hosting the world's most prestigious tournament? But to try and implement your virtuous Western values in someone else's country is inherently wrong. I'm also a little confused as to why so many who are in uproar over Qatar, yet Russia hosted the world cup in 2018 while they were literally invading a sovereign nation. Why were you silent then? Was it because the media didn't fancy talking about that one? Putin had been hammering the South and East of Ukraine for 4 years by that point with an estimated death toll in the tens of thousands. Its incredible and frankly, harrowing how much power ghastly outfits like the BBC and Sky hold over the minds of so many in this country. Can you provide some examples of the people who have staunchly defended Islamic Law and customs in the UK and who are now vicious, angry, disgusted opponents of Qatar. Are they on the BBC ?
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 19, 2022 15:41:50 GMT
Anyone else finding it quite bizarre hearing people who are staunch defenders of Islamic law and customs in the UK (typically labelling anyone who questions such traditions as racist) suddenly turning into vicious, angry, disgusted opponents of local laws and customs in an Islamic state like Qatar? Anyone would think there is a touch of hypocrisy to that? Arguably even a hint of "actual" racism? The world cup should never have been held in Qatar, I'd argue more on footballing grounds. How on earth can you justify a non footballing nation hosting the world's most prestigious tournament? But to try and implement your virtuous Western values in someone else's country is inherently wrong. I'm also a little confused as to why so many who are in uproar over Qatar, yet Russia hosted the world cup in 2018 while they were literally invading a sovereign nation. Why were you silent then? Was it because the media didn't fancy talking about that one? Putin had been hammering the South and East of Ukraine for 4 years by that point with an estimated death toll in the tens of thousands. Its incredible and frankly, harrowing how much power ghastly outfits like the BBC and Sky hold over the minds of so many in this country. There was loads of criticism from journalists of Russia hosting the World Cup its just that people have forgotten about it after 4 years. There was a big campaign in Germany to stop their participation for example that apparently came close to persuading players not to go. We throw the term hypocrisy around very easily here. If you look at it would be almost impossible to make a case for any individual or organisation not to be hypocritical on some level based on what we consume, where we visit, who we work for etc. I think the Qatar issue is a build up of many factors from the way it was given the tournament, the amount of deaths involved, the supposed values of FIFA and how they tally with the host nation, general discontentment of football's organising bodies, how the football calendar has had to be shifted to suit, the increase in influence of social media traffic etc, etc, etc. I would agree that there is a huge problem with implementing western values on other cultures, and it seems to be hugely selective, but surely there is a responsibility (I would say the main responsibility) on the host nation to adopt the values of the tournament whatever they are? and there seems to be a disconnect there. If there aren't any values, fair dos, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Nov 19, 2022 15:44:41 GMT
I’m usually like a child at Christmas every 2nd summer, especially every 4th, but I’d love it if that happened. It would be shame for the few mad folk who’ve travelled over there but I’m yet to speak to anyone who’s excited for this World Cup and though I’ll be watching England I’d be happier having that choice taken away from me. It’s because it’s happened around the football season and not a 6 week gap before it started People have been talking about Stoke not England Truth be told Stoke fans haven’t really wanted to talk about Stoke in the pub either!
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Post by starkiller on Nov 19, 2022 16:35:13 GMT
Fuck this bullshit!
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Post by masterpotter on Nov 19, 2022 16:43:21 GMT
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Post by starkiller on Nov 19, 2022 16:48:25 GMT
This whole fucking shitshow of a world cup.
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Post by masterpotter on Nov 19, 2022 16:50:17 GMT
This whole fucking shitshow of a world cup. Agreed but the FA have no balls
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Post by dirtclod on Nov 19, 2022 17:49:40 GMT
This will improve their travel-infrastructure, so they can move their terrorist friends around more efficiently. The stadiums can convert to flogging/detention centers afterwards. The citizens of Qatar are the real tragedy here. They won't be "helped" by any of this.
There won't any "great awakening" from their bloodthirsty "emir." Although FIFA might put him on their board afterwards, since the two have so much in common.
I won't sit behind a keyboard blaming players who want to represent their countries playing a sport they were born to play. They didn't decide the venue. They can speak their opinion when asked - but they also have the right to NOT say anything. (That's a basic human-right too) Assigning political "responsibility" to athletes is pure bullshit and part of the general stupidity that future generations will ridicule us for. And blaming fans for following a game they love is just as stupid. We excel as a society hurling "blame" at whomever we subjectively choose in order to "make a statement." That's all bullshit that does nothing to correct any issue. [But at least gives the 24/7 "News" cycle something to yap about] If you want someone to target, then it's FIFA and our own governments. Leave the fans/players alone - after all, we have to put up with people like Arsene Wenger. We have enough to deal with.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 19, 2022 17:56:18 GMT
This will improve their travel-infrastructure, so they can move their terrorist friends around more efficiently. The stadiums can convert to flogging/detention centers afterwards. The citizens of Qatar are the real tragedy here. They won't be "helped" by any of this. There won't any "great awakening" from their bloodthirsty "emir." Although FIFA might put him on their board afterwards, since the two have so much in common. I won't sit behind a keyboard blaming players who want to represent their countries playing a sport they were born to play. They didn't decide the venue. They can speak their opinion when asked - but they also have the right to NOT say anything. (That's a basic human-right too) Assigning political "responsibility" to athletes is pure bullshit and part of the general stupidity that future generations will ridicule us for. And blaming fans for following a game they love is just as stupid. We excel as a society hurling "blame" at whomever we subjectively choose in order to "make a statement." That's all bullshit that does nothing to correct any issue. [But at least gives the 24/7 "News" cycle something to yap about] If you want someone to target, then it's FIFA and our own governments. Leave the fans/players alone - after all, we have to put up with people like Arsene Wenger. We have enough to deal with. Perfectly put
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