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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 24, 2022 13:26:23 GMT
It’s the standard way FIFA do it for the fees they write into transfers. What has FIFA got to do with it? A template contract is optional and rarely used. Can you find an example of a transfer between English clubs with a percentage of total fee ever being used? And it’s a meaningless point anyway as all that would happen is you negotiated this clause is the initial fee would be lower. There is a market price and for us the Collins deal was a fire sale, without the money we would have breached FFP in 2021/22 Yes. We had a thread a few weeks back where there was loads
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 14:10:31 GMT
I was working in Barrowford (near Burnley) earlier this week and got talking to a guy who claimed to be a Burnley ITK. He claimed Burnley want £40 million for Collins and that Arsenal is his most likely destination.
It sounds way too much to me at present but with some big hitters seemingly interested like Arsenal and Newcastle just maybe they could get somewhere near that.
Even at 15% on the profit of his transfer that would make us over £4 million 👀
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Post by lordb on Jun 24, 2022 15:17:14 GMT
I was working in Barrowford (near Burnley) earlier this week and got talking to a guy who claimed to be a Burnley ITK. He claimed Burnley want £40 million for Collins and that Arsenal is his most likely destination. It sounds way too much to me at present but with some big hitters seemingly interested like Arsenal and Newcastle just maybe they could get somewhere near that. Even at 15% on the profit of his transfer that would make us over £4 million 👀 he doesn't need to be ITK it's been reported in media they want £40m presume they will accept miles less mind Arsenal paid £50m for England international Ben White I think Collins will end up better than White but cant see them getting £40m this summer (unless Newcastle are buying maybes)
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Post by maine on Jun 24, 2022 15:24:23 GMT
I think Collins is already better than White. I told my Burnley supporting friend at the time Arsenal bought White exactly that, and that the Clarets got a bargain. Nothing over the past season has changed my mind
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 15:37:10 GMT
I think Collins is already better than White. I told my Burnley supporting friend at the time Arsenal bought White exactly that, and that the Clarets got a bargain. Nothing over the past season has changed my mind Paid way over the odds for White and Collins improving all the time....bizarre handball aside. Reminds me a lot of a young Alan Hansen.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 15:39:57 GMT
I was working in Barrowford (near Burnley) earlier this week and got talking to a guy who claimed to be a Burnley ITK. He claimed Burnley want £40 million for Collins and that Arsenal is his most likely destination. It sounds way too much to me at present but with some big hitters seemingly interested like Arsenal and Newcastle just maybe they could get somewhere near that. Even at 15% on the profit of his transfer that would make us over £4 million 👀 he doesn't need to be ITK it's been reported in media they want £40m presume they will accept miles less mind Arsenal paid £50m for England international Ben White I think Collins will end up better than White but cant see them getting £40m this summer (unless Newcastle are buying maybes) Ok didn't know they'd put a figure on him like that. I suppose it depends how highly the interested parties rate him and how quick Burnley blink.
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Post by lordb on Jun 24, 2022 15:47:08 GMT
I think Collins is already better than White. I told my Burnley supporting friend at the time Arsenal bought White exactly that, and that the Clarets got a bargain. Nothing over the past season has changed my mind Paid way over the odds for White and Collins improving all the time....bizarre handball aside. Reminds me a lot of a young Alan Hansen. bigger & stronger than Hansen
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 15:49:21 GMT
Paid way over the odds for White and Collins improving all the time....bizarre handball aside. Reminds me a lot of a young Alan Hansen. bigger & stronger than Hansen The footballer or that awful pop group? Yep he is but similar style of play. Hansen had some great tricks he got away with. The shove on his marker off the ball behind the ref's back he was excellent at, just enough to put them off.
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Post by lordb on Jun 24, 2022 21:00:17 GMT
Newcastle signing Sven Botman now so presumably won't be in for Collins
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Post by independent on Jun 25, 2022 0:00:36 GMT
See Spurs refusing to pay Boro' £15m + add ons for Spence. Makes the money we got for Collins look much more acceptable.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 25, 2022 0:03:07 GMT
See Spurs refusing to pay Boro' £15m + add ons for Spence. Makes the money we got for Collins look much more acceptable. Spurs being cheapskates and driving a hard bargain proves nothing does it?
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Post by independent on Jun 25, 2022 1:57:21 GMT
I know the deal isn't done yet and anything could happen, but no one else seems to be gazumping them.Philips for £45m to City. Maybe prices are beginning to get a bit more sensible than £100m for Grealish.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 25, 2022 7:41:32 GMT
I know the deal isn't done yet and anything could happen, but no one else seems to be gazumping them.Philips for £45m to City. Maybe prices are beginning to get a bit more sensible than £100m for Grealish. Bar that for Grealish Man City always seem to get players in the 30-60m range. Even Haaland isn’t much above that fee wise. Grealish is an outlier.
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Post by independent on Jun 26, 2022 13:04:13 GMT
No one else seems to be gazumping them and Burnley may be reluctant to sell now that they have sold Pope. I don't think we will get any sell on money before next June.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Jun 26, 2022 14:32:59 GMT
I know the deal isn't done yet and anything could happen, but no one else seems to be gazumping them.Philips for £45m to City. Maybe prices are beginning to get a bit more sensible than £100m for Grealish. Bar that for Grealish Man City always seem to get players in the 30-60m range. Even Haaland isn’t much above that fee wise. Grealish is an outlier. In line with current prices, Haaland to me looks an absolute bargain
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jun 26, 2022 14:57:38 GMT
What has FIFA got to do with it? A template contract is optional and rarely used. Can you find an example of a transfer between English clubs with a percentage of total fee ever being used? And it’s a meaningless point anyway as all that would happen is you negotiated this clause is the initial fee would be lower. There is a market price and for us the Collins deal was a fire sale, without the money we would have breached FFP in 2021/22 Yes. We had a thread a few weeks back where there was loads Will try and find it.Point still holds. There is a market price independent of contract structure and we were in a fire sale with Collins. Up front fee plus a sell on was the best deal available to us. We couldn’t gamble on lower upfront and bigger sell on. An injury was too big a risk
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Post by gaznandi on Jun 28, 2022 10:37:28 GMT
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Post by scfcwebby on Jun 28, 2022 11:52:35 GMT
Mental we let him go for as little as we did... And some scoffed when others mentioned £25million as a minimum we should have accepted.
Understand that FFP played its part but I still think we criminally under valued him
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Post by Roy Cropper on Jun 28, 2022 11:56:40 GMT
Mental we let him go for as little as we did... And some scoffed when others mentioned £25million as a minimum we should have accepted. Understand that FFP played its part but I still think we criminally under valued him Shock as young player goes up in value after a successful season in the Premier League.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 28, 2022 12:10:17 GMT
Mental we let him go for as little as we did... And some scoffed when others mentioned £25million as a minimum we should have accepted. Understand that FFP played its part but I still think we criminally under valued himWe undervalued him because of FFP. If there was no FFP we'd have simply played hardball for another few million......
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Post by themistocles on Jun 28, 2022 13:15:19 GMT
Burnley close to signing 3 young CBs in Harwood-Bellis, Egan-Riley and Mcnally according to Nixon.
Kompany using his city links well.
Collins will surely be gone.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jun 28, 2022 13:22:57 GMT
Mental we let him go for as little as we did... And some scoffed when others mentioned £25million as a minimum we should have accepted. Understand that FFP played its part but I still think we criminally under valued himWe undervalued him because of FFP. If there was no FFP we'd have simply played hardball for another few million...... Exactly. We needed £12 million urgently and it allowed us to avoid a fine and points deduction and to sign Baker
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Post by scfcwebby on Jun 28, 2022 13:52:26 GMT
Mental we let him go for as little as we did... And some scoffed when others mentioned £25million as a minimum we should have accepted. Understand that FFP played its part but I still think we criminally under valued him Shock as young player goes up in value after a successful season in the Premier League. Everyone could see that was going to happen though... I think we massively under valued him
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Post by scfc75 on Jun 28, 2022 13:58:33 GMT
Shock as young player goes up in value after a successful season in the Premier League. Everyone could see that was going to happen though... I think we massively under valued him Stoke: “£17m or no deal” Burnley: “Most we’ll pay is £12m, or we walk away” What then? You’re suggesting that we VALUED him at £12m, which is probably not true. I’m sure we WANTED the most cash possible, but if there is a limited market and that market will only offer a max of £12m, what do we do? Keep him and (potentially… nobody on here knows) flout FFP?
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Post by scfcwebby on Jun 28, 2022 14:45:55 GMT
Everyone could see that was going to happen though... I think we massively under valued him Stoke: “£17m or no deal” Burnley: “Most we’ll pay is £12m, or we walk away” What then? You’re suggesting that we VALUED him at £12m, which is probably not true. I’m sure we WANTED the most cash possible, but if there is a limited market and that market will only offer a max of £12m, what do we do? Keep him and (potentially… nobody on here knows) flout FFP? To be fair, we should have blocked their number when they came in with their insulting £2million opening offer 😂
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 28, 2022 15:21:20 GMT
We definitely fucked up with Collins. It's a shame people don't have standards though and let the club get away with it.
First it was not playing him enough. And that goes back to Rowett. And then it was the deal we did.
An absolute mess.
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Post by J-Roar on Jun 28, 2022 15:31:34 GMT
Mental we let him go for as little as we did... And some scoffed when others mentioned £25million as a minimum we should have accepted. Understand that FFP played its part but I still think we criminally under valued him Mental you can't see how negotiating works.
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Post by J-Roar on Jun 28, 2022 15:34:13 GMT
We definitely fucked up with Collins. It's a shame people don't have standards though and let the club get away with it. First it was not playing him enough. And that goes back to Rowett. And then it was the deal we did. An absolute mess. To be fair, you still think Pep has fucked up Phil Foden's career by not playing him early enough.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 28, 2022 15:42:23 GMT
We definitely fucked up with Collins. It's a shame people don't have standards though and let the club get away with it. First it was not playing him enough. And that goes back to Rowett. And then it was the deal we did. An absolute mess. To be fair, you still think Pep has fucked up Phil Foden's career by not playing him early enough. He should have been playing more for sure and if the Euros weren't put a back a year he wouldn't have made the squad which would have been crap for all involved. Collins should have been a regular from about 17. And captain.
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Post by pushon on Jun 28, 2022 15:51:20 GMT
To be fair, you still think Pep has fucked up Phil Foden's career by not playing him early enough. He should have been playing more for sure and if the Euros weren't put a back a year he wouldn't have made the squad which would have been crap for all involved. Collins should have been a regular from about 17. And captain. You always seem to have significantly more bait to throw than any of your distinguished imposters.
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