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Post by partickpotter on Jun 4, 2022 20:11:59 GMT
Compton and Brook for Pope and Bairstow would be my changes with Crawley moving down to 3. I don’t rate Crawley but it’s pretty clear they’re going to persevere with him, especially now that his personal coach is the managing director of English cricket. i’m not an expert on county cricket but is that Nick Compton? Nope, it’s Ben. He’s a cousin of Nick. I think they both have the original Brylcream boy as their grandfather.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 4, 2022 20:13:54 GMT
i’m not an expert on county cricket but is that Nick Compton? Nope, it’s Ben. He’s a cousin of Nick. I think they both have the original Brylcream boy as their grandfather. Ok cool cheers. Clearly anything’s worth a try. Eventually i’m sure we’ll land a winner.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jun 4, 2022 20:25:14 GMT
Compton and Brook for Pope and Bairstow would be my changes with Crawley moving down to 3. I don’t rate Crawley but it’s pretty clear they’re going to persevere with him, especially now that his personal coach is the managing director of English cricket. i’m not an expert on county cricket but is that Nick Compton? Ben Compton. Has scored nearly 900 runs averaging 110 opening for Kent this season. Scored a hundred against New Zealand in a warm up game last week too.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 4, 2022 20:45:26 GMT
i’m not an expert on county cricket but is that Nick Compton? Ben Compton. Has scored nearly 900 runs averaging 110 opening for Kent this season. Scored a hundred against New Zealand in a warm up game last week too. got to be given a chance then.
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Post by professorplump on Jun 4, 2022 21:53:52 GMT
It is going to be a nervy one tomorrow I think. With the batting to come, Root and Foakes will have to score the bulk of the runs and they need to score quickly enough so that by the time the new ball is taken, we don't need many runs. I just have this horrible feeling that it is going to come down to Anderson and Parkinson needing 6 to win.
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Post by professorplump on Jun 4, 2022 21:57:27 GMT
Test Average is 34 in 150 inns Would he get in any other Test team in the world with that average? New Zealand's top 7 all have averages above that. I like Bairstow but he’d only get in with that average if he was keeping wicket. He might only average 34 but that is still the third highest average in our team which just illustrates how weak we are. I just don't think playing in the IPL is very good preparation for a Test Match.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 4, 2022 22:29:52 GMT
Bairstow needs fucking off, arrogant brain dead batting when Jamieson was just about to be taken off. A specialist batsman that doesn’t know how to defend a straight ball, pathetic….. Test Average is 34 in 150 inns Would he get in any other Test team in the world with that average? New Zealand's top 7 all have averages above that. Against pace bowling he averages around 27/28 as well, his record against spin is far far better….
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 5, 2022 6:20:23 GMT
No other batsman in Test history has been bowled in both innings more than once at Lords. This has happened to Bairstow FOUR times.. it's pathetic.
As regards to the game, I still think we'll collapse if Root goes early but hope this isn't the case and we somehow get over the line.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 5, 2022 8:31:48 GMT
Looking at the weather I’d be surprised if we start on time.
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Jun 5, 2022 10:33:52 GMT
Pissing this.
That 84th over yesterday played a massive part. New Zealand look a good 30 to 50 runs short.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jun 5, 2022 10:57:26 GMT
13 runs needed, I'm not counting my Chickens yet.
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Post by stoke111 on Jun 5, 2022 11:05:34 GMT
It’s a bloody good job we have Root.
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Post by AlliG on Jun 5, 2022 11:07:26 GMT
Wow! Just wow!!
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Jun 5, 2022 11:10:14 GMT
Trust Englands only world class batsman to take us home. Well done Rooty
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jun 5, 2022 11:12:18 GMT
Chickens counted, well done Root.
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Jun 5, 2022 11:14:24 GMT
Mark Taylor seems a bloody decent bloke too. Didn't think I'd ever say that after he and his Ausdie mates ruined my childhood by smashing us all over
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 5, 2022 11:43:54 GMT
Well done Foakes too. Knows how to play a test innings properly. Now let’s stick with him and stop the experimenting with Butler and Bairstow.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 5, 2022 11:57:00 GMT
Mark Taylor seems a bloody decent bloke too. Didn't think I'd ever say that after he and his Ausdie mates ruined my childhood by smashing us all over Superb commentator……
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Jun 5, 2022 12:00:17 GMT
Great effort from Root. Sure he would have preferred to stay as captain but at least it hasn't messed his thoughts to the point where it affects his batting.
Well done Foakes too. Had started to wonder if he was good enough to bat 7 but that should give him some confidence
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Post by lordb on Jun 5, 2022 12:20:33 GMT
Great effort from Root. Sure he would have preferred to stay as captain but at least it hasn't messed his thoughts to the point where it affects his batting. Well done Foakes too. Had started to wonder if he was good enough to bat 7 but that should give him some confidence Root concentrating on batting is superb Worried Stokes form, especially with the bat, will be affected but hey ho
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 5, 2022 22:28:50 GMT
Missed all the fun from Lords over the past three days, and what fun I missed.
A superb win for England.
It looks like much of what transpired though just re-enforces what we already new. In batting, we have one world class batsmen and 4 non-world class batsmen. In bowling we have two aging warriors that can still cause big problems when the ball is moving around. And we also have a tidy all rounder.
That said there were two big positives for England… that Foakes has nailed his spot with the gloves batting at #7 and we have a very tidy quickie in Potts.
One step at a time.
Let’s hope next time we make some progress in the top 5 batting positions (excepting #4).
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 5, 2022 22:46:56 GMT
Missed all the fun from Lords over the past three days, and what fun I missed. A superb win for England. It looks like much of what transpired though just re-enforces what we already new. In batting, we have one world class batsmen and 4 non-world class batsmen. In bowling we have two aging warriors that can still cause big problems when the ball is moving around. And we also have a tidy all rounder. That said there were two big positives for England… that Foakes has nailed his spot with the gloves batting at #7 and we have a very tidy quickie in Potts. One step at a time. Let’s hope next time we make some progress in the top 5 batting positions (excepting #4). It was a great game but the batting is worrying. I wouldn’t go with to many changes but I’d look at trying an alternative to Pope and Bairstow. Maybe bring in Compton and move Crawley to 3.
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Post by professorplump on Jun 5, 2022 22:55:06 GMT
I was quite surprised how easily we won today. I don't think NZ had as much as an appeal. As Partick has said above, most of the stand out performances came from proven players and there are still question marks over most of the batsmen. The match swung on that no ball from Colin de Grandhomme I thought Kane Williamson's captaincy was very poor in this match. He clearly didn't want to bowl his spinner which meant he ended up flogging his three seamers into the ground. By contrast I thought Stokes was impressive with the his field placings and the way he handled the attack.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 6, 2022 4:44:02 GMT
Missed all the fun from Lords over the past three days, and what fun I missed. A superb win for England. It looks like much of what transpired though just re-enforces what we already new. In batting, we have one world class batsmen and 4 non-world class batsmen. In bowling we have two aging warriors that can still cause big problems when the ball is moving around. And we also have a tidy all rounder. That said there were two big positives for England… that Foakes has nailed his spot with the gloves batting at #7 and we have a very tidy quickie in Potts. One step at a time. Let’s hope next time we make some progress in the top 5 batting positions (excepting #4). I don't think Foakes has nailed down the keeper spot at all. He's done enough to stick around for the next game but I'm still far from convinced.
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Post by stokeuk474 on Jun 6, 2022 10:16:46 GMT
Nice to finally get over the line and get a win on the board. I don't see us dominating anyone this summer and wins will be hard to come by so this will at least give them a bit of confidence going forward. I also think playing county cricket has helped in preparation for this series, particularly the amount of overs the bowlers have got under their belts. Previously, we've seen test players like Anderson 'protected' and then they come in to the series undercooked. Nice change in policy by the management team.
Some thoughts moving forward
Lees - did ok, but twenties are not enough. He needs a significant score at Trent Bridge otherwise his place will come under pressure. Absorbs pressure though and sees off the new ball - possibly looking at Sibley, Compton or Jennings for the SA series?
Crawley - So much talent, got all the shots, but don't see him as an opener. I'd prefer him in the middle order, but that area seems settled.
Pope - Massively under pressure for me. How many chances is this guy going to get? 3 is also too high in the order for him, but again we can't fit him in anywhere else. Got to be looking at Lawrence/Bohannon for the SA series unless he racks up some scores soon. Root - What else can we say? Bairstow - Played well during the winter, but needs to stop getting bowled/playing on. Hopefully it's just rustiness from the IPL. Could've done with a couple of games for Yorkshire. Stokes - Solid knock 2nd inns, but looks nervous when he first comes in. Feels better at 6.
Foakes - Keeps his place for the summer for me. Has waited for his opportunity and scored plenty of runs for Surrey. Excellent gloveman. Buttler has had too many opportunities, not been good enough to capitalise and has no interest/desire in red ball cricket. Foakes is the future and a solid performer.
Potts - V impressive debut. Looks a find. Not express, but hits the deck hard and finds nip off the seam. Makes things happen and will run in all day. Not seen him with the bat, so will wait and see. Broad - Excellent return, great 2nd inns when he got on a roll. Anderson - Same as Broad. These two need to play when fit. Great experience and control and nice for Stokes to have that to rely on. Parkinson - Didn't have much to work with off the pitch, but is a wicket taker and will get wkts at some point this summer. Must keep him in the side as he will get better and better.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 6, 2022 11:06:57 GMT
Nice to finally get over the line and get a win on the board. I don't see us dominating anyone this summer and wins will be hard to come by so this will at least give them a bit of confidence going forward. I also think playing county cricket has helped in preparation for this series, particularly the amount of overs the bowlers have got under their belts. Previously, we've seen test players like Anderson 'protected' and then they come in to the series undercooked. Nice change in policy by the management team. Some thoughts moving forward Lees - did ok, but twenties are not enough. He needs a significant score at Trent Bridge otherwise his place will come under pressure. Absorbs pressure though and sees off the new ball - possibly looking at Sibley, Compton or Jennings for the SA series? Crawley - So much talent, got all the shots, but don't see him as an opener. I'd prefer him in the middle order, but that area seems settled. Pope - Massively under pressure for me. How many chances is this guy going to get? 3 is also too high in the order for him, but again we can't fit him in anywhere else. Got to be looking at Lawrence/Bohannon for the SA series unless he racks up some scores soon. Root - What else can we say? Bairstow - Played well during the winter, but needs to stop getting bowled/playing on. Hopefully it's just rustiness from the IPL. Could've done with a couple of games for Yorkshire. Stokes - Solid knock 2nd inns, but looks nervous when he first comes in. Feels better at 6. Foakes - Keeps his place for the summer for me. Has waited for his opportunity and scored plenty of runs for Surrey. Excellent gloveman. Buttler has had too many opportunities, not been good enough to capitalise and has no interest/desire in red ball cricket. Foakes is the future and a solid performer. Potts - V impressive debut. Looks a find. Not express, but hits the deck hard and finds nip off the seam. Makes things happen and will run in all day. Not seen him with the bat, so will wait and see. Broad - Excellent return, great 2nd inns when he got on a roll. Anderson - Same as Broad. These two need to play when fit. Great experience and control and nice for Stokes to have that to rely on. Parkinson - Didn't have much to work with off the pitch, but is a wicket taker and will get wkts at some point this summer. Must keep him in the side as he will get better and better. Good summary. The win was great but the top order is a real concern. Lees I would give the series to, he needs a score though and I'm still not convinced he has the range of shots to be a success. It saw the end of Sibley despite him scoring a couple of centuries. Crawley for me bats 4-6 or doesn't play, too wayward with his strokeplay and that will only ever end in tears against the top bowling attacks around the world Pope again can only bat 4-6 and even then he's not spent enough time in the middle to warrant a run of games Bairstow needs to become a white ball specialist, his inability to keep out a straight ball is becoming embarrassing and I don't see a desire to change his technique at this stage of his career. The lack of a solid batting unit puts pressure on the selectors to have a number 8 that bats, because of that I can see Potts and Robinson interchanging with Broad and Anderson going forward rather than 3 of them being picked for the same game. Woakes, Sam Curran and Carse are the obvious bowlers for the number 8 spot. If I was picking the team I'd go with: Compton Lees Bohannon Root Brook Stokes Foakes Carse Potts/Broad Potts/Anderson Parkinson
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 6, 2022 13:09:59 GMT
Nice to finally get over the line and get a win on the board. I don't see us dominating anyone this summer and wins will be hard to come by so this will at least give them a bit of confidence going forward. I also think playing county cricket has helped in preparation for this series, particularly the amount of overs the bowlers have got under their belts. Previously, we've seen test players like Anderson 'protected' and then they come in to the series undercooked. Nice change in policy by the management team. Some thoughts moving forward Lees - did ok, but twenties are not enough. He needs a significant score at Trent Bridge otherwise his place will come under pressure. Absorbs pressure though and sees off the new ball - possibly looking at Sibley, Compton or Jennings for the SA series? Crawley - So much talent, got all the shots, but don't see him as an opener. I'd prefer him in the middle order, but that area seems settled. Pope - Massively under pressure for me. How many chances is this guy going to get? 3 is also too high in the order for him, but again we can't fit him in anywhere else. Got to be looking at Lawrence/Bohannon for the SA series unless he racks up some scores soon. Root - What else can we say? Bairstow - Played well during the winter, but needs to stop getting bowled/playing on. Hopefully it's just rustiness from the IPL. Could've done with a couple of games for Yorkshire. Stokes - Solid knock 2nd inns, but looks nervous when he first comes in. Feels better at 6. Foakes - Keeps his place for the summer for me. Has waited for his opportunity and scored plenty of runs for Surrey. Excellent gloveman. Buttler has had too many opportunities, not been good enough to capitalise and has no interest/desire in red ball cricket. Foakes is the future and a solid performer. Potts - V impressive debut. Looks a find. Not express, but hits the deck hard and finds nip off the seam. Makes things happen and will run in all day. Not seen him with the bat, so will wait and see. Broad - Excellent return, great 2nd inns when he got on a roll. Anderson - Same as Broad. These two need to play when fit. Great experience and control and nice for Stokes to have that to rely on. Parkinson - Didn't have much to work with off the pitch, but is a wicket taker and will get wkts at some point this summer. Must keep him in the side as he will get better and better. Good summary. The win was great but the top order is a real concern. Lees I would give the series to, he needs a score though and I'm still not convinced he has the range of shots to be a success. It saw the end of Sibley despite him scoring a couple of centuries. Crawley for me bats 4-6 or doesn't play, too wayward with his strokeplay and that will only ever end in tears against the top bowling attacks around the world Pope again can only bat 4-6 and even then he's not spent enough time in the middle to warrant a run of games Bairstow needs to become a white ball specialist, his inability to keep out a straight ball is becoming embarrassing and I don't see a desire to change his technique at this stage of his career. The lack of a solid batting unit puts pressure on the selectors to have a number 8 that bats, because of that I can see Potts and Robinson interchanging with Broad and Anderson going forward rather than 3 of them being picked for the same game. Woakes, Sam Curran and Carse are the obvious bowlers for the number 8 spot. If I was picking the team I'd go with: Compton Lees Bohannon Root Brook Stokes Foakes Carse Potts/Broad Potts/Anderson Parkinson Good shout on Carse. That makes a lot of sense. But I reckon that’s the only possible change. I just don’t see us abandoning the top order one test into the summer. Likewise, Parkinson only plays if Leach is deemed to be unavailable; I’m not sure what concussion protocols determine. Of course, we should never have picked the batting line up we did. Your top 5 looks far better. Picking Pope at 3 is just silly. Sticking with Crawley as an opener is just daft. Picking Bairstow on his return immediately from the IPL is both silly and daft. Our red ball reset is still getting selections completely muddled.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 6, 2022 13:15:31 GMT
Good summary. The win was great but the top order is a real concern. Lees I would give the series to, he needs a score though and I'm still not convinced he has the range of shots to be a success. It saw the end of Sibley despite him scoring a couple of centuries. Crawley for me bats 4-6 or doesn't play, too wayward with his strokeplay and that will only ever end in tears against the top bowling attacks around the world Pope again can only bat 4-6 and even then he's not spent enough time in the middle to warrant a run of games Bairstow needs to become a white ball specialist, his inability to keep out a straight ball is becoming embarrassing and I don't see a desire to change his technique at this stage of his career. The lack of a solid batting unit puts pressure on the selectors to have a number 8 that bats, because of that I can see Potts and Robinson interchanging with Broad and Anderson going forward rather than 3 of them being picked for the same game. Woakes, Sam Curran and Carse are the obvious bowlers for the number 8 spot. If I was picking the team I'd go with: Compton Lees Bohannon Root Brook Stokes Foakes Carse Potts/Broad Potts/Anderson Parkinson Good shout on Carse. That makes a lot of sense. But I reckon that’s the only possible change. I just don’t see us abandoning the top order one test into the summer. Likewise, Parkinson only plays if Leach is deemed to be unavailable; I’m not sure what concussion protocols determine. Of course, we should never have picked the batting line up we did. Your top 5 looks far better. Picking Pope at 3 is just silly. Sticking with Crawley as an opener is just daft. Picking Bairstow on his return immediately from the IPL is both silly and daft. Our red ball reset is still getting selections completely muddled. Of course there will be minimal changes to the winning team if any at all, it's just what I would like to see progress over the summer ideally. The form Brook is in though it would be a disaster having him carry drinks and not tap into how confident he currently must feel with the bat in his hand.......
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Post by professorplump on Jun 6, 2022 16:00:43 GMT
I agree with all the above posts. I think Compton and Brook should be given a chance, not necessarily for the next test, but before the summer is out. It wouldn't surprise me if at some stage, Bairstow is given the wicketkeeping gloves and moved down to No.7.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 7, 2022 15:36:07 GMT
Adil Rashid has revealed he's interested in playing Test Cricket and that Brendan has messaged him... hmm, I'd be up for that.
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