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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 9, 2021 15:46:54 GMT
So we name our squad for the Ashes tomorrow. It looks a certainty that Stokes won’t be in that squad, with Archer and Stone already ruled out. Sam Curran also a doubt with a back injury. We’ll take a pretty big squad over as I believe the plan is that we’ll be playing intra-squad games for our preparation. That will be cut down do a final squad of 18, much of which I imagine is already decided. The certainties: Burns Hameed Malan Crawley Root Pope Bairstow Buttler Woakes Robinson Anderson Broad Wood Leach The uncertainties: Sibley Lawrence Vince Foakes S Curran Overton Mahmood Bess Parkinson What ever 11 players are picked to play, isn't going to scare the Aussies too much. |
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Post by chuckrocky on Oct 9, 2021 16:44:26 GMT
So we name our squad for the Ashes tomorrow. It looks a certainty that Stokes won’t be in that squad, with Archer and Stone already ruled out. Sam Curran also a doubt with a back injury. We’ll take a pretty big squad over as I believe the plan is that we’ll be playing intra-squad games for our preparation. That will be cut down do a final squad of 18, much of which I imagine is already decided. The certainties: Burns Hameed Malan Crawley Root Pope Bairstow Buttler Woakes Robinson Anderson Broad Wood Leach The uncertainties: Sibley Lawrence Vince Foakes S Curran Overton Mahmood Bess Parkinson What ever 11 players are picked to play, isn't going to scare the Aussies too much. Nope, even with Stokes and Archer I wouldn’t give us much hope of winning a game. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 9, 2021 16:47:39 GMT
What ever 11 players are picked to play, isn't going to scare the Aussies too much. Nope, even with Stokes and Archer I wouldn’t give us much hope of winning a game. It’s crazy, they’ve probably got 4 world class players, pretty much same as us. I think it’ll be a close series. 2-2 |
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Post by chuckrocky on Oct 9, 2021 18:25:00 GMT
Nope, even with Stokes and Archer I wouldn’t give us much hope of winning a game. It’s crazy, they’ve probably got 4 world class players, pretty much same as us. I think it’ll be a close series. 2-2 I don’t think they’re a great side but they definitely raise their game for the Ashes. The difference is their world class players thrive in Australian conditions whereas ours all have poor records. In Warner, Smith and Labuschagne they’ve got three batsmen that average over 60 in Australia and are pretty much guaranteed to score big runs throughout the series. I just don’t see who’s scoring those runs for England. Root is our only world class batsmen and he has a pretty poor record in Australia. I have huge doubts over our ability to take 20 wickets over there too. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 9, 2021 18:27:43 GMT
It’s crazy, they’ve probably got 4 world class players, pretty much same as us. I think it’ll be a close series. 2-2 I don’t think they’re a great side but they definitely raise their game for the Ashes. The difference is their world class players thrive in Australian conditions whereas ours all have poor records. In Warner, Smith and Labuschagne they’ve got three batsmen that average over 60 in Australia and are pretty much guaranteed to score big runs throughout the series. I just don’t see who’s scoring those runs for England. Root is our only world class batsmen and he has a pretty poor record in Australia. I have huge doubts over our ability to take 20 wickets over there too. I’d say we are pretty equally poor at the moment. Yes they’re at home but it’s not like going to India. I think it’ll be a close series |
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Post by chuckrocky on Oct 9, 2021 19:08:32 GMT
I don’t think they’re a great side but they definitely raise their game for the Ashes. The difference is their world class players thrive in Australian conditions whereas ours all have poor records. In Warner, Smith and Labuschagne they’ve got three batsmen that average over 60 in Australia and are pretty much guaranteed to score big runs throughout the series. I just don’t see who’s scoring those runs for England. Root is our only world class batsmen and he has a pretty poor record in Australia. I have huge doubts over our ability to take 20 wickets over there too. I’d say we are pretty equally poor at the moment. Yes they’re at home but it’s not like going to India. I think it’ll be a close series I wish I shared your optimism. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 9, 2021 19:10:20 GMT
I’d say we are pretty equally poor at the moment. Yes they’re at home but it’s not like going to India. I think it’ll be a close series I wish I shared your optimism. You do. Look into my eyes, not around the eyes but straight into the eyes. Good, you’re under….. |
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Post by chuckrocky on Oct 10, 2021 11:01:03 GMT
No surprises.
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 10, 2021 12:05:18 GMT
Here’s the squad…
Joe Root (Yorkshire) captain, James Anderson (Lancashire), Jonathan Bairstow (Yorkshire), Dom Bess (Yorkshire), Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire), Rory Burns (Surrey), Jos Buttler (Lancashire) wk, Zak Crawley (Kent), Haseeb Hameed (Nottinghamshire), Dan Lawrence (Essex), Jack Leach (Somerset), Dawid Malan (Yorkshire), Craig Overton (Somerset), Ollie Pope (Surrey), Ollie Robinson (Sussex), Chris Woakes (Warwickshire), Mark Wood (Durham).
Two main points of interest in terms of the squad selection… Buttler is going after all and they’ve returned to Bess.
From a starting 11 perspective I guess the top 5 is clear; Hameed, Burns, Malan, Root, Bairstow.
After that it becomes very murky…
Does Buttler play at 6 or 7 - meaning do we play an extra batsmen at 6 leaving us with a 4 man bowling attack or do we play 5 bowlers. If it’s 4 do we include a spinner, and who would the 3 quicks be. If we play 5 bowlers which would definitely mean a spinner would we opt for Bess because he knows how to hold a bat.
The absence of Stokes is a real headache.
I wonder if they might go for Woakes at 6 as an answer to that problem. That might work.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 10, 2021 14:21:38 GMT
Here’s the squad… Joe Root (Yorkshire) captain, James Anderson (Lancashire), Jonathan Bairstow (Yorkshire), Dom Bess (Yorkshire), Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire), Rory Burns (Surrey), Jos Buttler (Lancashire) wk, Zak Crawley (Kent), Haseeb Hameed (Nottinghamshire), Dan Lawrence (Essex), Jack Leach (Somerset), Dawid Malan (Yorkshire), Craig Overton (Somerset), Ollie Pope (Surrey), Ollie Robinson (Sussex), Chris Woakes (Warwickshire), Mark Wood (Durham). Two main points of interest in terms of the squad selection… Buttler is going after all and they’ve returned to Bess. From a starting 11 perspective I guess the top 5 is clear; Hameed, Burns, Malan, Root, Bairstow. After that it becomes very murky… Does Buttler play at 6 or 7 - meaning do we play an extra batsmen at 6 leaving us with a 4 man bowling attack or do we play 5 bowlers. If it’s 4 do we include a spinner, and who would the 3 quicks be. If we play 5 bowlers which would definitely mean a spinner would we opt for Bess because he knows how to hold a bat. The absence of Stokes is a real headache. I wonder if they might go for Woakes at 6 as an answer to that problem. That might work. For me it’d be Hameed Burns Malan Root Bairstow Buttler Woakes Robinson Wood Leach Anderson |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Oct 10, 2021 14:22:05 GMT
Overton and Bess 😫
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Post by chuckrocky on Oct 10, 2021 14:48:19 GMT
Here’s the squad… Joe Root (Yorkshire) captain, James Anderson (Lancashire), Jonathan Bairstow (Yorkshire), Dom Bess (Yorkshire), Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire), Rory Burns (Surrey), Jos Buttler (Lancashire) wk, Zak Crawley (Kent), Haseeb Hameed (Nottinghamshire), Dan Lawrence (Essex), Jack Leach (Somerset), Dawid Malan (Yorkshire), Craig Overton (Somerset), Ollie Pope (Surrey), Ollie Robinson (Sussex), Chris Woakes (Warwickshire), Mark Wood (Durham). Two main points of interest in terms of the squad selection… Buttler is going after all and they’ve returned to Bess. From a starting 11 perspective I guess the top 5 is clear; Hameed, Burns, Malan, Root, Bairstow. After that it becomes very murky… Does Buttler play at 6 or 7 - meaning do we play an extra batsmen at 6 leaving us with a 4 man bowling attack or do we play 5 bowlers. If it’s 4 do we include a spinner, and who would the 3 quicks be. If we play 5 bowlers which would definitely mean a spinner would we opt for Bess because he knows how to hold a bat. The absence of Stokes is a real headache. I wonder if they might go for Woakes at 6 as an answer to that problem. That might work. For me it’d be Hameed Burns Malan Root Bairstow Buttler Woakes Robinson Wood Leach Anderson Don’t think it’ll be too far off that. I’d go for Broad first game. There’ll be nothing in the Gabba wicket for Jimmy whereas Broad should at least get some bounce and we’ll see if Warner is carrying any mental scars. |
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Post by professorplump on Oct 10, 2021 15:35:41 GMT
Sorry to be so pessimistic but I can't see anything other than a 5-0 defeat for England. I think Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins will make mincemeat of our batting line up and I think the bowlers will struggle to take 20 wickets with the Kookaburra ball. We only have one bowler of genuine pace and he won't play more than three tests. Such a shame we have lost Stokes, Archer and Stone.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 10, 2021 21:45:17 GMT
Sorry to be so pessimistic but I can't see anything other than a 5-0 defeat for England. I think Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins will make mincemeat of our batting line up and I think the bowlers will struggle to take 20 wickets with the Kookaburra ball. We only have one bowler of genuine pace and he won't play more than three tests. Such a shame we have lost Stokes, Archer and Stone. Same, to not take Mahmood and Parkinson in those conditions but Bess and Overton (he'll be cannon fodder on Aussie wickets) is criminal in my opinion. They'll need to wrap Wood up in cotton wool, as you say he's the only one with any semblance of pace, could be a long old tour. Burns Hameed Malan Root Bairstow/Pope Buttler Woakes Robinson Leach Wood Broad/Anderson |
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Post by chuckrocky on Oct 11, 2021 6:59:46 GMT
Sorry to be so pessimistic but I can't see anything other than a 5-0 defeat for England. I think Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins will make mincemeat of our batting line up and I think the bowlers will struggle to take 20 wickets with the Kookaburra ball. We only have one bowler of genuine pace and he won't play more than three tests. Such a shame we have lost Stokes, Archer and Stone. Same, to not take Mahmood and Parkinson in those conditions but Bess and Overton (he'll be cannon fodder on Aussie wickets) is criminal in my opinion. They'll need to wrap Wood up in cotton wool, as you say he's the only one with any semblance of pace, could be a long old tour. Burns Hameed Malan Root Bairstow/Pope Buttler Woakes Robinson Leach Wood Broad/Anderson You just know they’ll end up picking Bess over Leach to get a bit more batting in there. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 11, 2021 9:48:00 GMT
Same, to not take Mahmood and Parkinson in those conditions but Bess and Overton (he'll be cannon fodder on Aussie wickets) is criminal in my opinion. They'll need to wrap Wood up in cotton wool, as you say he's the only one with any semblance of pace, could be a long old tour. Burns Hameed Malan Root Bairstow/Pope Buttler Woakes Robinson Leach Wood Broad/Anderson You just know they’ll end up picking Bess over Leach to get a bit more batting in there. Yep they're obsessed, lets be blunt Overton is only there "because he's decent with the bat"...... |
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Post by chuckrocky on Oct 11, 2021 9:49:52 GMT
You just know they’ll end up picking Bess over Leach to get a bit more batting in there. Yep they're obsessed, lets be blunt Overton is only there "because he's decent with the bat"...... Very true and the reason Mahmood and Parkinson haven’t made the squad. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 11, 2021 9:58:11 GMT
Yep they're obsessed, lets be blunt Overton is only there "because he's decent with the bat"...... Very true and the reason Mahmood and Parkinson haven’t made the squad. Don't get me wrong not having Stokes does make it tricky, a 4 man attack exposes Wood and possibly Broad/Anderson (they would need to be rotated) and a 5 man attack leaves the batting light. But if you don't trust your bowlers to get 20 wickets and your top 6 to make runs it's always going to be tough. Shame we haven't got 2010 Stuart Broad batting...... |
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 12, 2021 6:00:03 GMT
The IPL is reaching its climax.
Eoin Morgan’s KKR beating Virat Kohli’s RCB yesterday in the Eliminator meaning they now play Delhi Capitals in the 2nd qualifier with winner taking on CSK in the final on Friday.
All fine and dandy except that Morgan is doing an impression of Mike Brearley justifying his place by dint of his genius as captain.
His form with the bat is appalling. I see he came in at 7 in the run chase yesterday. Now, I know that Morgan will always put the team ahead of his own interests, but this is taking that to extremes. He still, surely, has more of a active role than to sit back and let others take up the challenge.
His average is awful… 12.8 at a run a ball. Take out his solitary good innings (47 not out) he is averaging just over 6.
It would be good to see him hit the ball a little better before the IPL closes, because his form with the bat is probably our biggest concern ahead of the WC.
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Post by chuckrocky on Oct 12, 2021 7:34:48 GMT
The IPL is reaching its climax. Eoin Morgan’s KKR beating Virat Kohli’s RCB yesterday in the Eliminator meaning they now play Delhi Capitals in the 2nd qualifier with winner taking on CSK in the final on Friday. All fine and dandy except that Morgan is doing an impression of Mike Brearley justifying his place by dint of his genius as captain. His form with the bat is appalling. I see he came in at 7 in the run chase yesterday. Now, I know that Morgan will always put the team ahead of his own interests, but this is taking that to extremes. He still, surely, has more of a active role than to sit back and let others take up the challenge. His average is awful… 12.8 at a run a ball. Take out his solitary good innings (47 not out) he is averaging just over 6. It would be good to see him hit the ball a little better before the IPL closes, because his form with the bat is probably our biggest concern ahead of the WC. He’s been out of form for a long time now. His last meaningful innings that I can remember was against Afghanistan during the 2019 World Cup. He looks so bad at the moment it’s highly doubtful he’ll be able to find some form in time for the World Cup. I’d be very surprised if this wasn’t the last major tournament for him. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 12, 2021 7:42:52 GMT
The IPL is reaching its climax. Eoin Morgan’s KKR beating Virat Kohli’s RCB yesterday in the Eliminator meaning they now play Delhi Capitals in the 2nd qualifier with winner taking on CSK in the final on Friday. All fine and dandy except that Morgan is doing an impression of Mike Brearley justifying his place by dint of his genius as captain. His form with the bat is appalling. I see he came in at 7 in the run chase yesterday. Now, I know that Morgan will always put the team ahead of his own interests, but this is taking that to extremes. He still, surely, has more of a active role than to sit back and let others take up the challenge. His average is awful… 12.8 at a run a ball. Take out his solitary good innings (47 not out) he is averaging just over 6. It would be good to see him hit the ball a little better before the IPL closes, because his form with the bat is probably our biggest concern ahead of the WC. He’s been out of form for a long time now. His last meaningful innings that I can remember was against Afghanistan during the 2019 World Cup. He looks so bad at the moment it’s highly doubtful he’ll be able to find some form in time for the World Cup. I’d be very surprised if this wasn’t the last major tournament for him. Big game player though |
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 12, 2021 8:26:11 GMT
The IPL is reaching its climax. Eoin Morgan’s KKR beating Virat Kohli’s RCB yesterday in the Eliminator meaning they now play Delhi Capitals in the 2nd qualifier with winner taking on CSK in the final on Friday. All fine and dandy except that Morgan is doing an impression of Mike Brearley justifying his place by dint of his genius as captain. His form with the bat is appalling. I see he came in at 7 in the run chase yesterday. Now, I know that Morgan will always put the team ahead of his own interests, but this is taking that to extremes. He still, surely, has more of a active role than to sit back and let others take up the challenge. His average is awful… 12.8 at a run a ball. Take out his solitary good innings (47 not out) he is averaging just over 6. It would be good to see him hit the ball a little better before the IPL closes, because his form with the bat is probably our biggest concern ahead of the WC. He’s been out of form for a long time now. His last meaningful innings that I can remember was against Afghanistan during the 2019 World Cup. He looks so bad at the moment it’s highly doubtful he’ll be able to find some form in time for the World Cup. I’d be very surprised if this wasn’t the last major tournament for him. A last major tournament as a player. He’ll be back pdq as coach. If not with us, then with someone else. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 13, 2021 18:03:30 GMT
Morgan bowled for 0
But Kolkata through to the IPL final
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Post by AlliG on Oct 13, 2021 18:04:12 GMT
Well. Today's IPL match had an unforseen twist in the tail.  KKR needed 14 runs off the last 4 overs with 9 wickets in hand. 20 balls later they had lost 6 wickets for 7 runs and needed 6 from 2. Fortunately for them Tripathi (who until then appeared to have borrowed Eoin Morgan's bat) hit the next ball for 6 to win. I hope the pitches for the World T20 are a bit better than this. They might make for exciting low score games, but, they don't look like they will suit the England batsmen one bit. |
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Post by stokeuk474 on Oct 17, 2021 10:03:21 GMT
So the World T20 is finally underway, with the mighty Oman v Papua New Guinea!  Good to have some live cricket back on, and only 1 week until the big boys get stuck in. Although we will have Ireland, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh(ranked 6th) involved this week so potentially some good games to look forward to. |
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 17, 2021 10:23:47 GMT
I suppose, by way of completeness, we should note that IPL2021 has now ended with CSK winning the final against KKR: IPL 2021: Chennai Super Kings beat Kolkata Knight Riders in final to win fourth titleIt’s been hard getting into this second stage. Maybe I’ve been a wee bit put off by that cancellation of the final test of the summer. Anyway. It’s done. Sad to say Morgan’s dismal form continued in the last two games of the tournament. Let’s hope pulling on an England top provides better fortunes for him. |
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 17, 2021 19:45:28 GMT
Day 1 done.
Oman beat Papua New Guinea - no idea if that is a surprise.
Scotland beat Bangladesh - that most definitely is a surprise.
Well done bonnie Scotland.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 18, 2021 16:02:34 GMT
England v India T20 warm up. England making a very healthy 188/5 with a 50 from Bairstow and decent contributions from Moeen and Livingstone.
Let’s see what we can do with the ball
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 18, 2021 16:20:06 GMT
England v India T20 warm up. England making a very healthy 188/5 with a 50 from Bairstow and decent contributions from Moeen and Livingstone. Let’s see what we can do with the ball Well… not great so far in the power play. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 18, 2021 16:23:27 GMT
England v India T20 warm up. England making a very healthy 188/5 with a 50 from Bairstow and decent contributions from Moeen and Livingstone. Let’s see what we can do with the ball Well… not great so far in the power play. Ah it’s only a muck about👀 |
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