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Post by RedandWhite90 on Nov 16, 2021 23:03:19 GMT
Why are you putting he & his in brackets? Sorry I’m tired🤔 He's a pro gender neutralist 😉 It's the one area I'd probably agree with you on. But I don't know if youre a man or a woman behind the screen...
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 16, 2021 23:20:06 GMT
He's a pro gender neutralist 😉 It's the one area I'd probably agree with you on. But I don't know if youre a man or a woman behind the screen... How dare you call me a man or woman. I am a "ze" 😤
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 16, 2021 23:34:23 GMT
Likely to be Former Sky commentator soon, apart from anything else Sky are losing money hand over fist so will be happy to shed a big salary. He’s made an apology, that should be the end of it. At least he’s come out and admitted he said some things years ago that may be construed as offensive. No doubt he will be struck off by Sky though. As you say though, it’s an open goal for Sky to get rid of another old white bloke. That would be tragic as he’s the most entertaining commentator on sky by a country mile. The rate that things are going they’ll need to tear up the history books and start again. It’ll be interesting to see if the Aussies do a similar investigation because I think it’s pretty safe to say they’re a hell of a lot worse than us where racism’s concerned. I remember back in the 70s/ 80s they referred to Pakistan on the intro to the highlight show as the Paki’s.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 16, 2021 23:52:22 GMT
I'm a bit surprised by the claim by Rafiq that Ballance threw around the "p" word in every group he was involved in. If that was the case, it was almost certainly used in the English dressing room. Then you ask, if it was used in the English dressing room, how was it not picked up on and does that not make the likes of Root, Stokes, Broad, Anderson etc all guilty of covering up dressing room racism?
I'm intrigued to hear what the Ballance camp respond with after today. Feel like there is a long way to go in this case!
Also this whole thing around them being "closest friends" and regularly "drinking together" is really confusing. Surely you're either close friends with someone or you're not...it feels weird. Whatever the case, Ballance doesn't come out well, but you do have to wonder if there is a bit more to the story than meets the eye.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 17, 2021 5:42:28 GMT
Reading the Aussie cricketing media it seems they only really have one spot up for grabs between the likes of Cameron Green, Matthew Made, Mitchell Marsh or Sean Abbott David Warner Marcus Harris Marnus Labuchagne Steve Smith Travis Head ?????? Tim Paine Pat Cummins Mitchell Starc Nathan Lyons Josh Hazelwood 5, 6 and 7 are definitely their achilles heel, but as a whole (tail included) their batting line up looks much stronger in home conditions. After his T20 exploits I wouldn't be surprised to see them go back to Wade as he has Ashes experience and he seems the right kind of character for an Ashes series....... I hope they don’t pick Marsh, he always turns into Bradman whenever he gets a game against us. I’m thinking it will be Head or Khawaja at 5 and Green at 6…….
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Post by chuckrocky on Nov 17, 2021 8:35:04 GMT
I hope they don’t pick Marsh, he always turns into Bradman whenever he gets a game against us. I’m thinking it will be Head or Khawaja at 5 and Green at 6……. Yeah that side pretty much picks itself apart from that number 5 spot. Khawaja and Head are two decent options, both average 40 in tests and score plenty of runs in Australia.
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 17, 2021 9:46:45 GMT
He’s made an apology, that should be the end of it. At least he’s come out and admitted he said some things years ago that may be construed as offensive. No doubt he will be struck off by Sky though. As you say though, it’s an open goal for Sky to get rid of another old white bloke. That would be tragic as he’s the most entertaining commentator on sky by a country mile. The rate that things are going they’ll need to tear up the history books and start again. It’ll be interesting to see if the Aussies do a similar investigation because I think it’s pretty safe to say they’re a hell of a lot worse than us where racism’s concerned. I remember back in the 70s/ 80s they referred to Pakistan on the intro to the highlight show as the Paki’s. They still do for them it's like calling us poms, that word does not have the same history / connotations in Australia, here it was associated with the national front etc
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 17, 2021 9:52:03 GMT
I'm a bit surprised by the claim by Rafiq that Ballance threw around the "p" word in every group he was involved in. If that was the case, it was almost certainly used in the English dressing room. Then you ask, if it was used in the English dressing room, how was it not picked up on and does that not make the likes of Root, Stokes, Broad, Anderson etc all guilty of covering up dressing room racism? I'm intrigued to hear what the Ballance camp respond with after today. Feel like there is a long way to go in this case! Also this whole thing around them being "closest friends" and regularly "drinking together" is really confusing. Surely you're either close friends with someone or you're not...it feels weird. Whatever the case, Ballance doesn't come out well, but you do have to wonder if there is a bit more to the story than meets the eye. He kind of answered the Ballance point, at first there were good mates as they bonded over both being outsiders (I think that's the word he used) but grew apart over time till they reached the point where he was saying things like don't speak to him he's a ...
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 17, 2021 9:53:25 GMT
I'm a bit surprised by the claim by Rafiq that Ballance threw around the "p" word in every group he was involved in. If that was the case, it was almost certainly used in the English dressing room. Then you ask, if it was used in the English dressing room, how was it not picked up on and does that not make the likes of Root, Stokes, Broad, Anderson etc all guilty of covering up dressing room racism? I'm intrigued to hear what the Ballance camp respond with after today. Feel like there is a long way to go in this case! Also this whole thing around them being "closest friends" and regularly "drinking together" is really confusing. Surely you're either close friends with someone or you're not...it feels weird. Whatever the case, Ballance doesn't come out well, but you do have to wonder if there is a bit more to the story than meets the eye. He mentions Root....
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 17, 2021 10:08:06 GMT
Ballance is not coming out of this at all well.
'Banter' with obvious racial overtones...drink and drug problems covered up by YCCC allegedly...a toxic atmosphere when he became captain.
Warwickshire issued a statement last night in relation to Tim Bresnan, who has also been implicated, so there might be further repercussions there.
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Post by phileetin on Nov 17, 2021 10:18:40 GMT
anyone connected with the racism allegations enquiry even if unsubstantiated will end up not going
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 17, 2021 10:49:56 GMT
I'm a bit surprised by the claim by Rafiq that Ballance threw around the "p" word in every group he was involved in. If that was the case, it was almost certainly used in the English dressing room. Then you ask, if it was used in the English dressing room, how was it not picked up on and does that not make the likes of Root, Stokes, Broad, Anderson etc all guilty of covering up dressing room racism? I'm intrigued to hear what the Ballance camp respond with after today. Feel like there is a long way to go in this case! Also this whole thing around them being "closest friends" and regularly "drinking together" is really confusing. Surely you're either close friends with someone or you're not...it feels weird. Whatever the case, Ballance doesn't come out well, but you do have to wonder if there is a bit more to the story than meets the eye. He mentions Root.... What Rafiq says here is very important and should give everyone pause for thought. We all need to be more aware of how others perceive words and actions. That walk a mile in someone else’s shoes idea. Something that doesn’t bother me could be upsetting to someone else. Which of course goes beyond race. Sexuality and sport is another issue, likewise, but even more problematic these days, gender.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 17, 2021 11:03:35 GMT
What Rafiq says here is very important and should give everyone pause for thought. We all need to be more aware of how others perceive words and actions. That walk a mile in someone else’s shoes idea. Something that doesn’t bother me could be upsetting to someone else. Which of course goes beyond race. Sexuality and sport is another issue, likewise, but even more problematic these days, gender. The phrase he uses is spot on. Good people sometimes sit back and do nothing, I think we could all heed those words…..
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 17, 2021 12:11:12 GMT
What Rafiq says here is very important and should give everyone pause for thought. We all need to be more aware of how others perceive words and actions. That walk a mile in someone else’s shoes idea. Something that doesn’t bother me could be upsetting to someone else. Which of course goes beyond race. Sexuality and sport is another issue, likewise, but even more problematic these days, gender. The phrase he uses is spot on. Good people sometimes sit back and do nothing, I think we could all heed those words….. It’s more than that - it’s that “even a good man like him doesn’t see it”. It’s a very good and important point. If we don’t even see a problem, we can never put it right.
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Post by zommbee on Nov 17, 2021 12:13:37 GMT
I’m thinking it will be Head or Khawaja at 5 and Green at 6……. Yeah that side pretty much picks itself apart from that number 5 spot. Khawaja and Head are two decent options, both average 40 in tests and score plenty of runs in Australia. Khawaja at five probably, in form at the moment averaging 67 in the Shield with two hundreds and a fifty in six innings also will be a home test for him in Brisbane, Green at six, also decent with the bat in Shield cricket this season, 295 runs @42 with a hundred and two fifties in four games, not so good with the ball though, just five wickets @50 with a strike rate of 84. Head is behind both Khawaja and Green in the stats game.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 17, 2021 12:13:45 GMT
The phrase he uses is spot on. Good people sometimes sit back and do nothing, I think we could all heed those words….. It’s more than that - it’s that “even a good like him doesn’t see it”. It’s a very good and important point. If we don’t even see a problem, we can never put it right. Indeed. And some people choose not to see a problem, or would prefer it if there wasn't one, or criticise those who stand up and say that there is a problem. This board has been full of such threads over the last couple of years.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 17, 2021 21:45:40 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 17, 2021 22:17:50 GMT
Why are they having another t20 world Cup next year and then another in 2024? Surely 3 t20 world cups in 4 years is not needed?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 17, 2021 22:26:44 GMT
Why are they having another t20 world Cup next year and then another in 2024? Surely 3 t20 world cups in 4 years is not needed? Every two years aren’t they? The one just gone was 2020 I think
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 17, 2021 22:29:30 GMT
Why are they having another t20 world Cup next year and then another in 2024? Surely 3 t20 world cups in 4 years is not needed? Every two years aren’t they? The one just gone was 2020 I think
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 17, 2021 22:34:06 GMT
Why are they having another t20 world Cup next year and then another in 2024? Surely 3 t20 world cups in 4 years is not needed? The one just gone was delayed 12 months because of Covid….
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 17, 2021 23:47:35 GMT
Why are they having another t20 world Cup next year and then another in 2024? Surely 3 t20 world cups in 4 years is not needed? The one just gone was delayed 12 months because of Covid…. Ahh. Is it still not a bit much having them every 2 years? Just seems to devalue international tournaments when they are so frequent. 4 years is the right gap in my opinion. Obviously money is probably the main reason...
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Post by Little Gary Patel on Nov 18, 2021 0:03:36 GMT
The one just gone was delayed 12 months because of Covid…. Ahh. Is it still not a bit much having them every 2 years? Just seems to devalue international tournaments when they are so frequent. 4 years is the right gap in my opinion. Obviously money is probably the main reason... T20 is every two years, the ODI is every 4. The could (and should imo) alternate it, similar to a WC/EURO turn. But I suppose the appeal of the T20 is speed, so can see why they want to rotate it quickly. not the greatest advert for it to say someone is WC for 4 years after 20 overs of cricket
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 18, 2021 8:04:39 GMT
Ahh. Is it still not a bit much having them every 2 years? Just seems to devalue international tournaments when they are so frequent. 4 years is the right gap in my opinion. Obviously money is probably the main reason... T20 is every two years, the ODI is every 4. The could (and should imo) alternate it, similar to a WC/EURO turn. But I suppose the appeal of the T20 is speed, so can see why they want to rotate it quickly. not the greatest advert for it to say someone is WC for 4 years after 20 overs of cricket Don’t forget the ICC Champions Trophy which has now been formalised into the schedule which means there is now a global tournament every year.. Year 1 T20 World Cup Year 2 Cricket World Cup Year 3 T20 World Cup Year 4 Champions Trophy (The difference between the two 50 over tournaments is the World Cup has 14 countries playing, the Champions Trophy the top 8 ranked teams.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 18, 2021 9:06:52 GMT
T20 is every two years, the ODI is every 4. The could (and should imo) alternate it, similar to a WC/EURO turn. But I suppose the appeal of the T20 is speed, so can see why they want to rotate it quickly. not the greatest advert for it to say someone is WC for 4 years after 20 overs of cricket Don’t forget the ICC Champions Trophy which has now been formalised into the schedule which means there is now a global tournament every year.. Year 1 T20 World Cup Year 2 Cricket World Cup Year 3 T20 World Cup Year 4 Champions Trophy (The difference between the two 50 over tournaments is the World Cup has 14 countries playing, the Champions Trophy the top 8 ranked teams. It's too much I think. I mean what is the actual point of the champions trophy?
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 18, 2021 16:44:40 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 18, 2021 16:59:55 GMT
It doesn't diminish it but it definitely makes him a bit of a hypocrite.
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Post by sheds1862 on Nov 18, 2021 17:10:50 GMT
Hopefully a full enquiry covered wall to wall on the BBC and Sky . Making out the fact he was 19 at the time is some sort of excuse . Utter bollocks
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Post by sheds1862 on Nov 18, 2021 17:11:11 GMT
It doesn't diminish it but it definitely makes him a bit of a hypocrite. A bit is an understatement
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 18, 2021 17:22:37 GMT
Don’t forget the ICC Champions Trophy which has now been formalised into the schedule which means there is now a global tournament every year.. Year 1 T20 World Cup Year 2 Cricket World Cup Year 3 T20 World Cup Year 4 Champions Trophy (The difference between the two 50 over tournaments is the World Cup has 14 countries playing, the Champions Trophy the top 8 ranked teams. It's too much I think. I mean what is the actual point of the champions trophy? The money the ICC gets from star sports for the tv rights in India.
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