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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 16, 2021 11:16:06 GMT
I don’t think Bumble and Michael Vaughan will be working in broadcasting much longer Very likely the case might be a bit of trouble for the ex yorkshire and hampshire player who helped to pour wine down his neck when he was 15 at his club side. I’m trying to work out who that is?
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 16, 2021 11:20:04 GMT
Very likely the case might be a bit of trouble for the ex yorkshire and hampshire player who helped to pour wine down his neck when he was 15 at his club side. I’m trying to work out who that is? From barnsley too so I assumed he was referring to Goughie.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 16, 2021 11:30:08 GMT
I’m trying to work out who that is? From barnsley too so I assumed he was referring to Goughie. Nope. He didn’t play for Hampshire.
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 16, 2021 11:59:04 GMT
From barnsley too so I assumed he was referring to Goughie. Nope. He didn’t play for Hampshire. Yes it was Essex being Barnsley club cricket and him being big mates with the show pony made who played at Hampshire made me think of him, looking again at the list of recent players who have played for Hampshire and Yorkshire there is Peter Hartley, Alex Morris and Michael Lumb but it does not mean it's one of them could be someone who played seconds only.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 16, 2021 15:39:36 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 16, 2021 17:08:52 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 16, 2021 17:35:22 GMT
Likely to be Former Sky commentator soon, apart from anything else Sky are losing money hand over fist so will be happy to shed a big salary.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 16, 2021 18:08:27 GMT
Likely to be Former Sky commentator soon, apart from anything else Sky are losing money hand over fist so will be happy to shed a big salary. He’s made an apology, that should be the end of it. At least he’s come out and admitted he said some things years ago that may be construed as offensive. No doubt he will be struck off by Sky though. As you say though, it’s an open goal for Sky to get rid of another old white bloke.
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Post by heworksardtho on Nov 16, 2021 18:20:16 GMT
Likely to be Former Sky commentator soon, apart from anything else Sky are losing money hand over fist so will be happy to shed a big salary. He’s made an apology, that should be the end of it. At least he’s come out and admitted he said some things years ago that may be construed as offensive. No doubt he will be struck off by Sky though. As you say though, it’s an open goal for Sky to get rid of another old white bloke. Cancelled all my Sky as it’s getting ridiculous now
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 16, 2021 18:32:07 GMT
Likely to be Former Sky commentator soon, apart from anything else Sky are losing money hand over fist so will be happy to shed a big salary. He’s made an apology, that should be the end of it. At least he’s come out and admitted he said some things years ago that may be construed as offensive. No doubt he will be struck off by Sky though. As you say though, it’s an open goal for Sky to get rid of another old white bloke. Agreed. This runs the risk of getting a bit silly. Not denying the fact that offensive comments may have been made, but the idea of just sacking everyone involved (which probably involves hundreds of former and current cricketers) seems pretty ill thought out. I play cricket for a well established side in the Warwickshire leagues (also played in the Staffordshire league) and frankly, racist comments are very normal in the dressing room... I don't agree with them, but I think if you were to go around club and county cricket and pull out every club or county player who made racially contentious comments, there wouldn't be many clubs left. I do sympathise with the intent of many of these players, which in their eyes, is banter. And often it is and the intent is not to be hurtful but to be funny. Clearly the line has to be drawn on slurs, intentionally hurtful language or physical acts ie pouring wine down one's throat - absurd. Ultimately I guess there's a middle ground to it all and I'm not sure exactly what the answer is, but it would be tragic if they name, shame and sack legends of the game off the back of this. Ie bumble, Vaughan, Botham etc. One thing you can bet your house on - The Wisden Cricket monthly is a poisonous rag of wokery and will do everything it possibly can to destroy careers and introduce identity politics at every opportunity.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 16, 2021 18:36:46 GMT
I wonder what happens next for Yorkshire cricket specifically and the game generally.
This wonderful sport has been publicly shamed today for its shameful conduct.
I am disgusted with what I’ve heard.
But what to do to put things right. A few folk resigning ain’t going to cut it.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 16, 2021 18:37:46 GMT
He’s made an apology, that should be the end of it. At least he’s come out and admitted he said some things years ago that may be construed as offensive. No doubt he will be struck off by Sky though. As you say though, it’s an open goal for Sky to get rid of another old white bloke. Agreed. This runs the risk of getting a bit silly. Not denying the fact that offensive comments may have been made, but the idea of just sacking everyone involved (which probably involves hundreds of former and current cricketers) seems pretty ill thought out. I play cricket for a well established side in the Warwickshire leagues (also played in the Staffordshire league) and frankly, racist comments are very normal in the dressing room... I don't agree with them, but I think if you were to go around club and county cricket and pull out every club or county player who made racially contentious comments, there wouldn't be many clubs left.
I do sympathise with the intent of many of these players, which in their eyes, is banter. And often it is and the intent is not to be hurtful but to be funny. Clearly the line has to be drawn on slurs, intentionally hurtful language or physical acts ie pouring wine down one's throat - absurd. Ultimately I guess there's a middle ground to it all and I'm not sure exactly what the answer is, but it would be tragic if they name, shame and sack legends of the game off the back of this. Ie bumble, Vaughan, Botham etc. One thing you can bet your house on - The Wisden Cricket monthly is a poisonous rag of wokery and will do everything it possibly can to destroy careers and introduce identity politics at every opportunity. Sorry but just because it's the norm (I've played in dressing rooms where it most definitely hasn't been the norm) doesn't make it right or acceptable. There's nothing "woke" about that and it has fuck all to do with "identity politics".........
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 16, 2021 18:46:17 GMT
Agreed. This runs the risk of getting a bit silly. Not denying the fact that offensive comments may have been made, but the idea of just sacking everyone involved (which probably involves hundreds of former and current cricketers) seems pretty ill thought out. I play cricket for a well established side in the Warwickshire leagues (also played in the Staffordshire league) and frankly, racist comments are very normal in the dressing room... I don't agree with them, but I think if you were to go around club and county cricket and pull out every club or county player who made racially contentious comments, there wouldn't be many clubs left.
I do sympathise with the intent of many of these players, which in their eyes, is banter. And often it is and the intent is not to be hurtful but to be funny. Clearly the line has to be drawn on slurs, intentionally hurtful language or physical acts ie pouring wine down one's throat - absurd. Ultimately I guess there's a middle ground to it all and I'm not sure exactly what the answer is, but it would be tragic if they name, shame and sack legends of the game off the back of this. Ie bumble, Vaughan, Botham etc. One thing you can bet your house on - The Wisden Cricket monthly is a poisonous rag of wokery and will do everything it possibly can to destroy careers and introduce identity politics at every opportunity. Sorry but just because it's the norm (I've played in dressing rooms where it most definitely hasn't been the norm) doesn't make it right or acceptable. There's nothing "woke" about that and it has fuck all to do with "identity politics"......... This. 100%.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 16, 2021 18:53:40 GMT
Sorry but just because it's the norm (I've played in dressing rooms where it most definitely hasn't been the norm) doesn't make it right or acceptable. There's nothing "woke" about that and it has fuck all to do with "identity politics"......... This. 100%. Annoys me greatly. That whole "laddish" culture in the pub, on a WhatsApp group or in a cricket/football dressing room where people sit back and don't call out racism, misogyny or any other kind of bigotry for what they actually are. It's not enough to turn a blind eye, it should be nipped in the bud. And that's not a dig at scfcbiancorissi particulary, it happened to me as a youngster as I'm sure it has us all at some point where we chose to say nothing but told ourselves "well it wasn't me that was saying it" It embarrasses me looking back and it should embarrass us all........
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 16, 2021 19:07:44 GMT
He’s made an apology, that should be the end of it. At least he’s come out and admitted he said some things years ago that may be construed as offensive. No doubt he will be struck off by Sky though. As you say though, it’s an open goal for Sky to get rid of another old white bloke. Agreed. This runs the risk of getting a bit silly. Not denying the fact that offensive comments may have been made, but the idea of just sacking everyone involved (which probably involves hundreds of former and current cricketers) seems pretty ill thought out. I play cricket for a well established side in the Warwickshire leagues (also played in the Staffordshire league) and frankly, racist comments are very normal in the dressing room... I don't agree with them, but I think if you were to go around club and county cricket and pull out every club or county player who made racially contentious comments, there wouldn't be many clubs left. I do sympathise with the intent of many of these players, which in their eyes, is banter. And often it is and the intent is not to be hurtful but to be funny. Clearly the line has to be drawn on slurs, intentionally hurtful language or physical acts ie pouring wine down one's throat - absurd. Ultimately I guess there's a middle ground to it all and I'm not sure exactly what the answer is, but it would be tragic if they name, shame and sack legends of the game off the back of this. Ie bumble, Vaughan, Botham etc. One thing you can bet your house on - The Wisden Cricket monthly is a poisonous rag of wokery and will do everything it possibly can to destroy careers and introduce identity politics at every opportunity. I’m with you on this although I don’t profess to be quite the calibre of player you are mate😉 As I said further up the thread a few pages back I’ve heard it in the past and I still hear it now albeit far less than before, in a purely “mutual” racial banter way. You give it, it comes straight back and vice versa. Personally I’m quite happy to be called “milky” or “white boy” in the heat of battle. It’s not for everyone of course but it sits fine with me and the Asian guys I know are also fine with it. I guess it depends on the type of relationship you have. If you don’t know someone very well don’t go around making insults which it seems is what bumble did.
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Post by heworksardtho on Nov 16, 2021 19:39:02 GMT
He’s made an apology, that should be the end of it. At least he’s come out and admitted he said some things years ago that may be construed as offensive. No doubt he will be struck off by Sky though. As you say though, it’s an open goal for Sky to get rid of another old white bloke. Agreed. This runs the risk of getting a bit silly. Not denying the fact that offensive comments may have been made, but the idea of just sacking everyone involved (which probably involves hundreds of former and current cricketers) seems pretty ill thought out. I play cricket for a well established side in the Warwickshire leagues (also played in the Staffordshire league) and frankly, racist comments are very normal in the dressing room... I don't agree with them, but I think if you were to go around club and county cricket and pull out every club or county player who made racially contentious comments, there wouldn't be many clubs left. I do sympathise with the intent of many of these players, which in their eyes, is banter. And often it is and the intent is not to be hurtful but to be funny. Clearly the line has to be drawn on slurs, intentionally hurtful language or physical acts ie pouring wine down one's throat - absurd. Ultimately I guess there's a middle ground to it all and I'm not sure exactly what the answer is, but it would be tragic if they name, shame and sack legends of the game off the back of this. Ie bumble, Vaughan, Botham etc. One thing you can bet your house on - The Wisden Cricket monthly is a poisonous rag of wokery and will do everything it possibly can to destroy careers and introduce identity politics at every opportunity. You’ve stirred up a hornets nest now , prestwich will be on you quicker than a tramp on chips
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Nov 16, 2021 20:02:21 GMT
He’s made an apology, that should be the end of it. At least he’s come out and admitted he said some things years ago that may be construed as offensive. No doubt he will be struck off by Sky though. As you say though, it’s an open goal for Sky to get rid of another old white bloke. Agreed. This runs the risk of getting a bit silly. Not denying the fact that offensive comments may have been made, but the idea of just sacking everyone involved (which probably involves hundreds of former and current cricketers) seems pretty ill thought out. I play cricket for a well established side in the Warwickshire leagues (also played in the Staffordshire league) and frankly, racist comments are very normal in the dressing room... I don't agree with them, but I think if you were to go around club and county cricket and pull out every club or county player who made racially contentious comments, there wouldn't be many clubs left. I do sympathise with the intent of many of these players, which in their eyes, is banter. And often it is and the intent is not to be hurtful but to be funny. Clearly the line has to be drawn on slurs, intentionally hurtful language or physical acts ie pouring wine down one's throat - absurd. Ultimately I guess there's a middle ground to it all and I'm not sure exactly what the answer is, but it would be tragic if they name, shame and sack legends of the game off the back of this. Ie bumble, Vaughan, Botham etc. One thing you can bet your house on - The Wisden Cricket monthly is a poisonous rag of wokery and will do everything it possibly can to destroy careers and introduce identity politics at every opportunity. Who's been sacked?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 16, 2021 20:13:07 GMT
Agreed. This runs the risk of getting a bit silly. Not denying the fact that offensive comments may have been made, but the idea of just sacking everyone involved (which probably involves hundreds of former and current cricketers) seems pretty ill thought out. I play cricket for a well established side in the Warwickshire leagues (also played in the Staffordshire league) and frankly, racist comments are very normal in the dressing room... I don't agree with them, but I think if you were to go around club and county cricket and pull out every club or county player who made racially contentious comments, there wouldn't be many clubs left. I do sympathise with the intent of many of these players, which in their eyes, is banter. And often it is and the intent is not to be hurtful but to be funny. Clearly the line has to be drawn on slurs, intentionally hurtful language or physical acts ie pouring wine down one's throat - absurd. Ultimately I guess there's a middle ground to it all and I'm not sure exactly what the answer is, but it would be tragic if they name, shame and sack legends of the game off the back of this. Ie bumble, Vaughan, Botham etc. One thing you can bet your house on - The Wisden Cricket monthly is a poisonous rag of wokery and will do everything it possibly can to destroy careers and introduce identity politics at every opportunity. Who's been sacked? Nobody has been sacked, he clearly didn’t say they had
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Nov 16, 2021 20:26:15 GMT
Nobody has been sacked, he clearly didn’t say they had I didn't say he(?) had; yet the first paragraph leaps immediately to the idea or concept of hundreds of people being sacked? I'm curious as to why that would even be a consideration especially after we witnessed the impeccable handling of the Robinson saga earlier in the year. And that's before we get to his(?) own experiences in dressing rooms and the Wisden 'wokery'.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 16, 2021 20:44:24 GMT
Nobody has been sacked, he clearly didn’t say they had I didn't say he(?) had; yet the first paragraph leaps immediately to the idea or concept of hundreds of people being sacked? I'm curious as to why that would even be a consideration especially after we witnessed the impeccable handling of the Robinson saga earlier in the year. And that's before we get to his(?) own experiences in dressing rooms and the Wisden 'wokery'. Why are you putting he & his in brackets? Sorry I’m tired🤔
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 16, 2021 21:05:07 GMT
Agreed. This runs the risk of getting a bit silly. Not denying the fact that offensive comments may have been made, but the idea of just sacking everyone involved (which probably involves hundreds of former and current cricketers) seems pretty ill thought out. I play cricket for a well established side in the Warwickshire leagues (also played in the Staffordshire league) and frankly, racist comments are very normal in the dressing room... I don't agree with them, but I think if you were to go around club and county cricket and pull out every club or county player who made racially contentious comments, there wouldn't be many clubs left. I do sympathise with the intent of many of these players, which in their eyes, is banter. And often it is and the intent is not to be hurtful but to be funny. Clearly the line has to be drawn on slurs, intentionally hurtful language or physical acts ie pouring wine down one's throat - absurd. Ultimately I guess there's a middle ground to it all and I'm not sure exactly what the answer is, but it would be tragic if they name, shame and sack legends of the game off the back of this. Ie bumble, Vaughan, Botham etc. One thing you can bet your house on - The Wisden Cricket monthly is a poisonous rag of wokery and will do everything it possibly can to destroy careers and introduce identity politics at every opportunity. You’ve stirred up a hornets nest now , prestwich will be on you quicker than a tramp on chips As usual he just overreacts and selectively pulls out words completely out of context. I'm used to it. In fact the very paragraph he's taken out clearly states "I don't agree with it" in much the same way the piece around wokery and identity politics is specifically around Wisden Cricket Magazine and the cancelling of Vaughan, Bumble and Botham.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 16, 2021 21:05:50 GMT
I didn't say he(?) had; yet the first paragraph leaps immediately to the idea or concept of hundreds of people being sacked? I'm curious as to why that would even be a consideration especially after we witnessed the impeccable handling of the Robinson saga earlier in the year. And that's before we get to his(?) own experiences in dressing rooms and the Wisden 'wokery'. Why are you putting he & his in brackets? Sorry I’m tired🤔 He's a pro gender neutralist 😉
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Post by GeneralFaye on Nov 16, 2021 21:09:21 GMT
I'm getting flashbacks to the Emma Radacanu thread a couple of months back where I was basically told to fuck off because I didn't like the sexist comments on it... oh well, it's all part of the "lad culture" and "banter" which is obviously totally fine...
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 16, 2021 21:15:21 GMT
Agreed. This runs the risk of getting a bit silly. Not denying the fact that offensive comments may have been made, but the idea of just sacking everyone involved (which probably involves hundreds of former and current cricketers) seems pretty ill thought out. I play cricket for a well established side in the Warwickshire leagues (also played in the Staffordshire league) and frankly, racist comments are very normal in the dressing room... I don't agree with them, but I think if you were to go around club and county cricket and pull out every club or county player who made racially contentious comments, there wouldn't be many clubs left. I do sympathise with the intent of many of these players, which in their eyes, is banter. And often it is and the intent is not to be hurtful but to be funny. Clearly the line has to be drawn on slurs, intentionally hurtful language or physical acts ie pouring wine down one's throat - absurd. Ultimately I guess there's a middle ground to it all and I'm not sure exactly what the answer is, but it would be tragic if they name, shame and sack legends of the game off the back of this. Ie bumble, Vaughan, Botham etc. One thing you can bet your house on - The Wisden Cricket monthly is a poisonous rag of wokery and will do everything it possibly can to destroy careers and introduce identity politics at every opportunity. I’m with you on this although I don’t profess to be quite the calibre of player you are mate😉 As I said further up the thread a few pages back I’ve heard it in the past and I still hear it now albeit far less than before, in a purely “mutual” racial banter way. You give it, it comes straight back and vice versa. Personally I’m quite happy to be called “milky” or “white boy” in the heat of battle. It’s not for everyone of course but it sits fine with me and the Asian guys I know are also fine with it. I guess it depends on the type of relationship you have. If you don’t know someone very well don’t go around making insults which it seems is what bumble did. Ahh you're too modest mate. There's nothing wrong with the Hartshill 7th division 😉 To be fair I didn't tell you what division we play in.... It might be Warwickshire div 14 🤭 I totally get that point though. There is banter and there is abuse and often it's a very very fine line. Clearly some of the stuff coming out of Yorkshire is disturbing and undoubtedly racist. Like you, I personally wouldn't dare go near that line if I didn't know them. Frankly I wouldn't go near it if I did, I don't genuinely find racial jokes funny. Apart from Billy Connolly. We shouldn't forget the abuse between Australia and England over the years... Does that class as "crossing the line"?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 16, 2021 21:39:32 GMT
You’ve stirred up a hornets nest now , prestwich will be on you quicker than a tramp on chips As usual he just overreacts and selectively pulls out words completely out of context. I'm used to it. In fact the very paragraph he's taken out clearly states "I don't agree with it" in much the same way the piece around wokery and identity politics is specifically around Wisden Cricket Magazine and the cancelling of Vaughan, Bumble and Botham. I’m not overreacting. You said racism goes on, so have you called it out yes or no? Let’s hear this context then…….
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Post by stokeuk474 on Nov 16, 2021 21:46:20 GMT
I have to admit, after following the hearing this morning, and I think Lord Patel made reference to it at one point, I can't help but think that the whole idea around being a 'yorkshireman' and in particular a yorkshire cricketer brings with it this sense of having to be blunt, abrasive, a hard bastard, not wearing a sweater in April and that sort of thing, has had some influence on how rife the culture of racism has become at the club.
This sort of thing bleeds into the dressing room. It doesn't matter whether you're from Yorkshire or not, once you play for the white rose, it's almost expected.
This doesn't mean that it doesn't go on at other counties of course, because we'd be idiots to think it doesn't, but compare Yorkshire to somewhere like...Somerset for example.
I bloody love cricket as much, if not more than football and to hear of some of the horrifying stuff we heard this morning really has put a huge dark cloud over the game. It's a sad day, and I truly hope that this is the turning point now in getting the culture sorted around the game in general, because it has to change. It feels like it's been stuck in the 1970s.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 16, 2021 22:07:52 GMT
As usual he just overreacts and selectively pulls out words completely out of context. I'm used to it. In fact the very paragraph he's taken out clearly states "I don't agree with it" in much the same way the piece around wokery and identity politics is specifically around Wisden Cricket Magazine and the cancelling of Vaughan, Bumble and Botham. I’m not overreacting. You said racism goes on, so have you called it out yes or no? Let’s hear this context then……. Have I called the guys out on my team for it? Loads of times. On one occasion I even had it within my team against other members in the team while I was captain so as soon as I heard about it, clearly I spoke to both parties and did my best to resolve it - Not easy in a close, tight group of mates who spend 2 or 3 days a week together. Cricket more than any sport is so clique. Like I've said, abuse of all kinds is rife in cricket - be it bullying, racism, sexism to name a few. It really isn't hard to find. But it's not as simple as kicking a load of people out your team or sacking them from professional jobs for decisions they've made in the past that in their eyes was banter but in another's, hurtful. Clearly, it's easy to identify with slurs and physical abuse but when it comes to the more subtle incidents, it gets a lot more complex.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 16, 2021 22:41:11 GMT
I’m not overreacting. You said racism goes on, so have you called it out yes or no? Let’s hear this context then……. Have I called the guys out on my team for it? Loads of times. On one occasion I even had it within my team against other members in the team while I was captain so as soon as I heard about it, clearly I spoke to both parties and did my best to resolve it - Not easy in a close, tight group of mates who spend 2 or 3 days a week together. Cricket more than any sport is so clique. Like I've said, abuse of all kinds is rife in cricket - be it bullying, racism, sexism to name a few. It really isn't hard to find. But it's not as simple as kicking a load of people out your team or sacking them from professional jobs for decisions they've made in the past that in their eyes was banter but in another's, hurtful. Clearly, it's easy to identify with slurs and physical abuse but when it comes to the more subtle incidents, it gets a lot more complex. . Your post makes perfect sense. You said originally that racism was common in the dressing room though, and I still say if it was that common either the perpetrators should be finding a new club or I’d be looking for an alternative myself…..
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 16, 2021 22:52:54 GMT
Have I called the guys out on my team for it? Loads of times. On one occasion I even had it within my team against other members in the team while I was captain so as soon as I heard about it, clearly I spoke to both parties and did my best to resolve it - Not easy in a close, tight group of mates who spend 2 or 3 days a week together. Cricket more than any sport is so clique. Like I've said, abuse of all kinds is rife in cricket - be it bullying, racism, sexism to name a few. It really isn't hard to find. But it's not as simple as kicking a load of people out your team or sacking them from professional jobs for decisions they've made in the past that in their eyes was banter but in another's, hurtful. Clearly, it's easy to identify with slurs and physical abuse but when it comes to the more subtle incidents, it gets a lot more complex. . Your post makes perfect sense. You said originally that racism was common in the dressing room though, and I still say if it was that common either the perpetrators should be finding a new club or I’d be looking for an alternative myself….. Both racism and banter and that all important bit in between is very common in a cricket dressing room. But there is still that love and support on the pitch. Cricketers are a weird bunch. While I understand the sentiment around "finding another club", it isn't that straightforward when you're in a group that you're so close to, in many cases with club cricket, guys you've known much of your life! There is a wider integration problem with cricket on both sides. In my experience, Asian players and English players just don't mix in a normal way in club cricket. That's probably one for another day but it results in problems and ends up in stereotype comments and issues.
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 16, 2021 23:02:59 GMT
I wonder what happens next for Yorkshire cricket specifically and the game generally. This wonderful sport has been publicly shamed today for its shameful conduct. I am disgusted with what I’ve heard. But what to do to put things right. A few folk resigning ain’t going to cut it. I don't see Ballance, Gale or Moxon resigning as they will struggle to get another job in cricket bizarrely the previous chairman Colin Graves can block sackings through his trust for some reason besides that many staff including their HR still feel they have done nothing wrong which is a real headscratcher if you listened to more than 15 seconds of his evidence. There are whispers about him being a difficult character and officially complaining about being called fat by the captains brother in law is probably not a career move I'd recommend but that's all irrelevant to the fact he has clearly been racially abused in the most disgusting way. I imagine Yorkshire and other counties will now find themselves in litigation for some time while the whole shit show is resolved.
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