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Post by partickpotter on Nov 14, 2021 15:51:56 GMT
Beginning to think Kane Williamson knows more about navigating an IT20 innings than me. In fairness to you, if Hazlewood had held onto that catch you’d have made a good call. Williamson only pressed on the accelerator after that drop.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Nov 14, 2021 16:08:38 GMT
Beginning to think Kane Williamson knows more about navigating an IT20 innings than me. In fairness to you, if Hazlewood had held onto that catch you’d have made a good call. Williamson only pressed on the accelerator after that drop. In more fairness to me Mitchell Marsh is proving even more of a point. So I've saved some face at least. 😅
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 14, 2021 16:17:28 GMT
In fairness to you, if Hazlewood had held onto that catch you’d have made a good call. Williamson only pressed on the accelerator after that drop. In more fairness to me Mitchell Marsh is proving even more of a point. So I've saved some face at least. 😅 I think you are spot on. It’s why I would have played Willey instead of Wood to give us a batting option. Meaning, lose 1 early wicket in the power play, send in Willey with instruction to bat like it’s the last over. It seems teams in this tournament have played safe in the power play seemingly happy with 40 or 50 for one or two wickets.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Nov 14, 2021 16:21:00 GMT
In more fairness to me Mitchell Marsh is proving even more of a point. So I've saved some face at least. 😅 I think you are spot on. It’s why I would have played Willey instead of Wood to give us a batting option. Meaning, lose 1 early wicket in the power play, send in Willey with instruction to bat like it’s the last over. It seems teams in this tournament have played safe in the power play seemingly happy with 40 or 50 for one or two wickets. Agree, and all the talk from the back end of the IPL was to maximise the powerplay. Lot of talk on comms about the analytics but I think it's the 3 wickets lost in a powerplay that frightens captains the most. NZ need a huge squeeze.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 14, 2021 16:32:24 GMT
I think you are spot on. It’s why I would have played Willey instead of Wood to give us a batting option. Meaning, lose 1 early wicket in the power play, send in Willey with instruction to bat like it’s the last over. It seems teams in this tournament have played safe in the power play seemingly happy with 40 or 50 for one or two wickets. Agree, and all the talk from the back end of the IPL was to maximise the powerplay. Lot of talk on comms about the analytics but I think it's the 3 wickets lost in a powerplay that frightens captains the most. NZ need a huge squeeze. I wonder how much the dew factor has influenced thinking. It means a slightly sub par score (say 140) for the side batting first will see them lose, so the risk / reward calculation shifts meaning sides feel a par score becomes the target. This tournament seems too heavily loaded to the side batting second.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 14, 2021 17:23:53 GMT
Congratulations Austra…
Congratulations Austral…
Congratulations Aus…
No.
I can’t do it.
Bollocks.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 14, 2021 17:31:41 GMT
First part done, get through. It'd be impressive to win every game throughout the tournament, so let's hope that's our only loss out of the way. I have a horrible feeling the Aussies will win it after we battered them senseless... Bloody typical!
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Nov 14, 2021 19:27:21 GMT
Don't even like cricket anyway.
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Post by chuckrocky on Nov 14, 2021 22:06:19 GMT
Thank god all that white ball pish is over with. Now we can start looking forward to some proper cricket.
Less than four weeks before the first test in Brisbane and I’ve foolishly booked that week off so I can stay up and watch it.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 14, 2021 22:13:04 GMT
Thank god all that white ball pish is over with. Now we can start looking forward to some proper cricket. Less than four weeks before the first test in Brisbane and I’ve foolishly booked that week off so I can stay up and watch it. It was by and large a disappointing tournament with very few close games. The conditions favour the side batting second far too much. Anyway, like you say, can’t wait for the proper stuff. Time to get the starting 11 predictions in🤔
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Post by chuckrocky on Nov 14, 2021 22:37:23 GMT
Thank god all that white ball pish is over with. Now we can start looking forward to some proper cricket. Less than four weeks before the first test in Brisbane and I’ve foolishly booked that week off so I can stay up and watch it. It was by and large a disappointing tournament with very few close games. The conditions favour the side batting second far too much. Anyway, like you say, can’t wait for the proper stuff. Time to get the starting 11 predictions in🤔 Having watched quite a bit of the IPL I’d already had my fill of T20 so found this World Cup all a bit meh. As you say the pitches weren’t great and I thought the overall standard was pretty average. I think our top seven picks itself for the first couple of games. The main question marks are over the make up of our bowling attack. It’ll almost certainly be Burns, Hameed, Malan, Root, Pope, Stokes and Buttler and they’ll definitely go with a spinner so I reckon Leach is pretty much a shoe in for the first game. That leaves three places up for grabs. I think Woakes will get one of those leaving Anderson, Broad, Robinson and Wood fighting for the last couple of spots. They’ll definitely want Anderson and Broad for the second test at Adelaide which is the day/night test so it’s not beyond the realms of possibility that they could both be rested for the first test. With Australia already confirming Warner and Harris will open the batting though I’d be surprised if Broad didn’t play at the Gabba, just to see if there are any lingering mental scars from the 2019 series.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Nov 14, 2021 23:10:25 GMT
It was by and large a disappointing tournament with very few close games. The conditions favour the side batting second far too much. Anyway, like you say, can’t wait for the proper stuff. Time to get the starting 11 predictions in🤔 Having watched quite a bit of the IPL I’d already had my fill of T20 so found this World Cup all a bit meh. As you say the pitches weren’t great and I thought the overall standard was pretty average. I think our top seven picks itself for the first couple of games. The main question marks are over the make up of our bowling attack. It’ll almost certainly be Burns, Hameed, Malan, Root, Pope, Stokes and Buttler and they’ll definitely go with a spinner so I reckon Leach is pretty much a shoe in for the first game. That leaves three places up for grabs. I think Woakes will get one of those leaving Anderson, Broad, Robinson and Wood fighting for the last couple of spots. They’ll definitely want Anderson and Broad for the second test at Adelaide which is the day/night test so it’s not beyond the realms of possibility that they could both be rested for the first test. With Australia already confirming Warner and Harris will open the batting though I’d be surprised if Broad didn’t play at the Gabba, just to see if there are any lingering mental scars from the 2019 series. I think were looking at Burns Hameed Malan Root Stokes Pope Buttler Woakes Broad Leach Anderson Robinson is going to play at least 3 matches as rotation for Woakes/Broad/Anderson. I'd be very tempted to go with Wood because it's the Gabba and his record away from home but he's too much of a gamble on economy rates. Front 7 against front 7 I don't think there's much in it but Hazelwood, Cummings, Lyon and Pattinson/Starc are going to be the difference. If Overton and Bess do anything more than hand out drinks and bibs were in for an absolute caning.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 15, 2021 6:54:53 GMT
Burns Hameed Malan Root Pope Stokes Bairstow Woakes Robinson Leach Anderson
for me
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 15, 2021 7:35:58 GMT
I agree the top 7 looks fairly straightforward, the only question being if Bairstow plays instead of either Buttler or Pope (which doesn’t really make much difference), and we are pretty well matched up against the Aussie top 7. Maybe slightly stronger.
The bowling match up is more problematic. The Aussie bowling attack is established, high quality, ours, in Australian conditions is either unproven or has underperformed previously.
My main concern though isn’t what Australia’s bowlers do with the ball, it’s what they do with the bat.
Recent Ashes series have seen the tail play significant roles for Australia. A combination of relative batting strength from 8 down for Australia and our lack of high pace (Wood excepted) and a mystery spinner makes me thing the Aussie tail could, yet again, manage a decisive wag or two (or more) through the winter.
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Post by chuckrocky on Nov 15, 2021 8:02:01 GMT
I agree the top 7 looks fairly straightforward, the only question being if Bairstow plays instead of either Buttler or Pope (which doesn’t really make much difference), and we are pretty well matched up against the Aussie top 7. Maybe slightly stronger. The bowling match up is more problematic. The Aussie bowling attack is established, high quality, ours, in Australian conditions is either unproven or has underperformed previously. My main concern though isn’t what Australia’s bowlers do with the ball, it’s what they do with the bat. Recent Ashes series have seen the tail play significant roles for Australia. A combination of relative batting strength from 8 down for Australia and our lack of high pace (Wood excepted) and a mystery spinner makes me thing the Aussie tail could, yet again, manage a decisive wag or two (or more) through the winter. I think you’re being a bit generous to our top 7 there. The Aussies have two batsmen (Smith & Labuschagne) who average over 60 and Warner who averages nearly 50. We’re going to be relying on Root, who hasn’t scored a century over there and Stokes, who averages 37, to score the bulk of our runs.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 15, 2021 8:13:39 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 15, 2021 8:59:55 GMT
I agree the top 7 looks fairly straightforward, the only question being if Bairstow plays instead of either Buttler or Pope (which doesn’t really make much difference), and we are pretty well matched up against the Aussie top 7. Maybe slightly stronger. The bowling match up is more problematic. The Aussie bowling attack is established, high quality, ours, in Australian conditions is either unproven or has underperformed previously. My main concern though isn’t what Australia’s bowlers do with the ball, it’s what they do with the bat. Recent Ashes series have seen the tail play significant roles for Australia. A combination of relative batting strength from 8 down for Australia and our lack of high pace (Wood excepted) and a mystery spinner makes me thing the Aussie tail could, yet again, manage a decisive wag or two (or more) through the winter. I think you’re being a bit generous to our top 7 there. The Aussies have two batsmen (Smith & Labuschagne) who average over 60 and Warner who averages nearly 50. We’re going to be relying on Root, who hasn’t scored a century over there and Stokes, who averages 37, to score the bulk of our runs. Generous to a fault me. It’s my biggest failing! You are quite right, their stats are better than ours. But… I’m sure Warner’s best days are behind him. Smith also isn’t the force he once was and Labuschagne is a flash in the pan (he will always be monumentally irritating). I’m also sure that Australian wickets play to the strength of our batting which means we could well perform better than our stats suggest. I am also writing this knowing these words may well come back and bite me.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 15, 2021 9:17:03 GMT
Not looking good for Vaughan. Not just because Rashid has now supported the claim by Rafiq but because what Vaughan was reported to have said sounds so credible. It’s a shame Vaughan denied the charge so bluntly, because he could have opened up a useful area of debate… banter. Particularly the sort of banter that uses “insults” as a complement. West of Scotland male humour, for example, uses this heavily. Taking the piss is definitely a part of social acceptance and praise. No finer accolade can be given than to say of someone… He’s no bad. “He’s fucking hopeless” means, in this context, “He’s outstanding”. The West of Scotland ain’t unique in this. So Vaughan’s comments, let’s assume he did say it, could well have been intended as a “reverse” complement, maybe acknowledging the importance and significance of Asian players to Yorkshire cricket. The problem, of course with this, is it is very easy for folk to take statements at face value. And this particularly applies to people not familiar with this culture of banter. Communication is all about what people hear not what someone says. This is an important debate because harm is done where none is intended. And people like me (and Mr Vaughan) need to accept that and consider carefully what we say.
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Post by crowey on Nov 15, 2021 9:18:01 GMT
… got my tickets for days two an three
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 15, 2021 9:29:28 GMT
Reading the Aussie cricketing media it seems they only really have one spot up for grabs between the likes of Cameron Green, Matthew Made, Mitchell Marsh or Sean Abbott
David Warner Marcus Harris Marnus Labuchagne Steve Smith Travis Head ?????? Tim Paine Pat Cummins Mitchell Starc Nathan Lyons Josh Hazelwood
5, 6 and 7 are definitely their achilles heel, but as a whole (tail included) their batting line up looks much stronger in home conditions. After his T20 exploits I wouldn't be surprised to see them go back to Wade as he has Ashes experience and he seems the right kind of character for an Ashes series.......
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 15, 2021 9:31:45 GMT
Not looking good for Vaughan. Not just because Rashid has now supported the claim by Rafiq but because what Vaughan was reported to have said sounds so credible. It’s a shame Vaughan denied the charge so bluntly, because he could have opened up a useful area of debate… banter. Particularly the sort of banter that uses “insults” as a complement. West of Scotland male humour, for example, uses this heavily. Taking the piss is definitely a part of social acceptance and praise. No finer accolade can be given than to say of someone… He’s no bad. “He’s fucking hopeless” means, in this context, “He’s outstanding”. The West of Scotland ain’t unique in this. So Vaughan’s comments, let’s assume he did say it, could well have been intended as a “reverse” complement, maybe acknowledging the importance and significance of Asian players to Yorkshire cricket. The problem, of course with this, is it is very easy for folk to take statements at face value. And this particularly applies to people not familiar with this culture of banter. Communication is all about what people hear not what someone says. This is an important debate because harm is done where none is intended. And people like me (and Mr Vaughan) need to accept that and consider carefully what we say. The fact that he wouldn't even sit in front of the committee doesn't look good either, he said he received legal advice but if he was clear in denying these claims not sure how that was meant to help when this all inevitably got into the public domain. Piss taking and banter always relies on all parties having the relationship and understanding that it is meant purely in good spirits and with no malice. If I'm sat round a table in a pub with 2 or 3 of my closest pals we will abuse each other mercilessly, I wouldn't dream of doing that in any other circumstances. There is always a common misconception that an individual can say what they want when they want and pass it off as "banter" which is simply not the case........
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 15, 2021 9:41:01 GMT
Not looking good for Vaughan. Not just because Rashid has now supported the claim by Rafiq but because what Vaughan was reported to have said sounds so credible. It’s a shame Vaughan denied the charge so bluntly, because he could have opened up a useful area of debate… banter. Particularly the sort of banter that uses “insults” as a complement. West of Scotland male humour, for example, uses this heavily. Taking the piss is definitely a part of social acceptance and praise. No finer accolade can be given than to say of someone… He’s no bad. “He’s fucking hopeless” means, in this context, “He’s outstanding”. The West of Scotland ain’t unique in this. So Vaughan’s comments, let’s assume he did say it, could well have been intended as a “reverse” complement, maybe acknowledging the importance and significance of Asian players to Yorkshire cricket. The problem, of course with this, is it is very easy for folk to take statements at face value. And this particularly applies to people not familiar with this culture of banter. Communication is all about what people hear not what someone says. This is an important debate because harm is done where none is intended. And people like me (and Mr Vaughan) need to accept that and consider carefully what we say. The fact that he wouldn't even sit in front of the committee doesn't look good either, he said he received legal advice but if he was clear in denying these claims not sure how that was meant to help when this all inevitably got into the public domain....... I see Joe Root has also got dragged in… Say it ain’t so, Joe: Root’s response to Rafiq case was nowhere near good enough. This debate has more legs. Which isn’t a bad thing, if we end up in a better place.
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Post by chuckrocky on Nov 15, 2021 10:14:12 GMT
Reading the Aussie cricketing media it seems they only really have one spot up for grabs between the likes of Cameron Green, Matthew Made, Mitchell Marsh or Sean Abbott David Warner Marcus Harris Marnus Labuchagne Steve Smith Travis Head ?????? Tim Paine Pat Cummins Mitchell Starc Nathan Lyons Josh Hazelwood 5, 6 and 7 are definitely their achilles heel, but as a whole (tail included) their batting line up looks much stronger in home conditions. After his T20 exploits I wouldn't be surprised to see them go back to Wade as he has Ashes experience and he seems the right kind of character for an Ashes series....... I hope they don’t pick Marsh, he always turns into Bradman whenever he gets a game against us.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 15, 2021 10:25:57 GMT
Reading the Aussie cricketing media it seems they only really have one spot up for grabs between the likes of Cameron Green, Matthew Made, Mitchell Marsh or Sean Abbott David Warner Marcus Harris Marnus Labuchagne Steve Smith Travis Head ?????? Tim Paine Pat Cummins Mitchell Starc Nathan Lyons Josh Hazelwood 5, 6 and 7 are definitely their achilles heel, but as a whole (tail included) their batting line up looks much stronger in home conditions. After his T20 exploits I wouldn't be surprised to see them go back to Wade as he has Ashes experience and he seems the right kind of character for an Ashes series....... I hope they don’t pick Marsh, he always turns into Bradman whenever he gets a game against us. I think they may go with tried and tested and pick Marsh and Wade, I believe they have a round of Sheffield Shield matches before the squad is announced which may affect their decision......
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 15, 2021 10:40:51 GMT
I hope they don’t pick Marsh, he always turns into Bradman whenever he gets a game against us. I think they may go with tried and tested and pick Marsh and Wade, I believe they have a round of Sheffield Shield matches before the squad is announced which may affect their decision...... Paine is their captain so will most likely retain his place? Let’s hope so, because Wade is a better cricketer.
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Post by chuckrocky on Nov 15, 2021 11:02:32 GMT
I think they may go with tried and tested and pick Marsh and Wade, I believe they have a round of Sheffield Shield matches before the squad is announced which may affect their decision...... Paine is their captain so will most likely retain his place? Let’s hope so, because Wade is a better cricketer. Wade has been playing as a specialist batsman for them in recent times. I think they’ll go with Marsh or Green at 6 as it gives them another bowling option. Green is the one that they seem to be pinning their hopes on as the next big thing with that bat.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 15, 2021 11:02:53 GMT
I think they may go with tried and tested and pick Marsh and Wade, I believe they have a round of Sheffield Shield matches before the squad is announced which may affect their decision...... Paine is their captain so will most likely retain his place? Let’s hope so, because Wade is a better cricketer. They may just pick Wade as a batsmen though at number 5/6, with Paine at 7 and keeping wicket…..
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 16, 2021 10:07:38 GMT
Just watching Azeem Rafiq give evidence to DCMS committee, fucking hell I know there is always two sides to any story but hard to see any other side that could negate anything he has said going to be players and broadcasters getting sacked in the next few weeks.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 16, 2021 10:13:46 GMT
Just watching Azeem Rafiq give evidence to DCMS committee, fucking hell I know there is always two sides to any story but hard to see any other side that could negate anything he has said going to be players and broadcasters getting sacked in the next few weeks. I don’t think Bumble and Michael Vaughan will be working in broadcasting much longer
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 16, 2021 10:35:16 GMT
Just watching Azeem Rafiq give evidence to DCMS committee, fucking hell I know there is always two sides to any story but hard to see any other side that could negate anything he has said going to be players and broadcasters getting sacked in the next few weeks. I don’t think Bumble and Michael Vaughan will be working in broadcasting much longer Very likely the case might be a bit of trouble for the ex yorkshire and hampshire player who helped to pour wine down his neck when he was 15 at his club side.
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