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Post by questionable on Sept 28, 2021 7:37:23 GMT
[quotewa author=" prestwichpotter" source="/post/7284301/thread" timestamp="1632813864"] BBC reporting this morning that schools could have to close and return to remote learning due to the fuel so called shortages. Or the parents could possibly walk their kids to schools instead of thinking it’s their right blocking every pavement directly outside the schools. thats the kids sorted what about the teachers though[/quote] They could organise and carry out the walk to school schemes??
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 28, 2021 7:37:28 GMT
Not the main factor though. If the papers hadn’t fed the story and due to the selfish actions of few there wouldn’t be a problem. They new about this problem six months ago. Of course it's their fault. Not like you to blame the government for everything
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 28, 2021 7:38:29 GMT
They new about this problem six months ago. Of course it's their fault. Not like you to blame the government for everything Pretty much like you to absolve them of everything
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Post by questionable on Sept 28, 2021 7:58:33 GMT
thats the kids sorted what about the teachers though Perhaps if the kids weren’t driven and walked their might be more fuel for the teachers Regardless of profession here my wife mentioned to her store manager would they be allowed to get fuel prior to the fuel pumps opening to the public and the answer was a resounding no, they actually had no fuel at the time anyway. When she mentioned she had little fuel she was told to walk (which is out of the question given where we live) or catch a bus and to check the time table, when I spoke to the Tesco delivery driver yesterday their staff have been given priority which is a nice gesture as they’re looking after their staff by helping themselves to get them in work
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 28, 2021 8:12:28 GMT
Not like you to blame the government for everything Pretty much like you to absolve them of everything Not at all they’ve done plenty wrong and some of there behaviour throughout covid has been despicable and corrupt. I just don’t happen to think the alternatives better. What I don’t do is copy and past every negative unbalanced article on anti government threads if that makes me someone who absolves them of everything so be it.
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Post by riverman on Sept 28, 2021 8:13:00 GMT
Glided into sainsbury's Hanley on way to work. All pumps working no queues just as I anticipated only two other cars and yet the moronic media are still raving about a non existent fuel crises and health unions insisting on priorities for "key" workers. Not to mention schools threatening to close. Utter madness.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 28, 2021 8:13:11 GMT
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Post by Veritas on Sept 28, 2021 8:16:01 GMT
Glided into sainsbury's Hanley on way to work. All pumps working no queues just as I anticipated only two other cars and yet the moronic media are still raving about a non existent fuel crises and health unions insisting on priorities for "key" workers. Not to mention schools threatening to close. Utter madness. Clever how they made up those photos of queues and empty fuel pumps! No-one is saying it is everywhere and all of the time but it certainly isn't made up.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 28, 2021 8:21:41 GMT
Perhaps if the kids weren’t driven and walked their might be more fuel for the teachers Regardless of profession here my wife mentioned to her store manager would they be allowed to get fuel prior to the fuel pumps opening to the public and the answer was a resounding no, they actually had no fuel at the time anyway. When she mentioned she had little fuel she was told to walk (which is out of the question given where we live) or catch a bus and to check the time table, when I spoke to the Tesco delivery driver yesterday their staff have been given priority which is a nice gesture as they’re looking after their staff by helping themselves to get them in work I guess a lot comes down to what we class as key workers and the genuine need for transport and what alternatives people have. Our bus service locally is shocking but i could get in so i’d be willing to do it if necessary. Of course there are always exceptions but the dynamics of this country are very different to what they were 30 years ago. More members of families going to work and most importantly some households having 3-4 cars per home. It’s amazing when on the m25 how many vehicles have 1 occupant. If this is likely to go on they have to man the garages and set rules re key workers No jerry cans only vehicle less than a quarter full to be filled
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 28, 2021 8:23:22 GMT
Glided into sainsbury's Hanley on way to work. All pumps working no queues just as I anticipated only two other cars and yet the moronic media are still raving about a non existent fuel crises and health unions insisting on priorities for "key" workers. Not to mention schools threatening to close. Utter madness. Some good flying to land a glider in there mate …….. respect ✊
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Post by ashtonstokie on Sept 28, 2021 8:29:13 GMT
Went to my local asda Ashton this morning for some fuel expecting it rammed. It was closed..... because of a delivery 🤣 mind you everywhere else in Manchester seems insane with queues down the road, absolute hysteria.
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Post by questionable on Sept 28, 2021 8:30:02 GMT
Glided into sainsbury's Hanley on way to work. All pumps working no queues just as I anticipated only two other cars and yet the moronic media are still raving about a non existent fuel crises and health unions insisting on priorities for "key" workers. Not to mention schools threatening to close. Utter madness. Clever how they made up those photos of queues and empty fuel pumps! No-one is saying it is everywhere and all of the time but it certainly isn't made up. It’s not made up as you say but it’s turned into something made a whole lot worse by the news outlets 100%. Can you imagine the likes of Kay Burley just sitting on her arse saying well not much is happening today so I’m off bye.. Not a chance they just shit stir and add their own spin to everything without having the full facts.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 28, 2021 8:35:08 GMT
Regardless of profession here my wife mentioned to her store manager would they be allowed to get fuel prior to the fuel pumps opening to the public and the answer was a resounding no, they actually had no fuel at the time anyway. When she mentioned she had little fuel she was told to walk (which is out of the question given where we live) or catch a bus and to check the time table, when I spoke to the Tesco delivery driver yesterday their staff have been given priority which is a nice gesture as they’re looking after their staff by helping themselves to get them in work I guess a lot comes down to what we class as key workers and the genuine need for transport and what alternatives people have. Our bus service locally is shocking but i could get in so i’d be willing to do it if necessary. Of course there are always exceptions but the dynamics of this country are very different to what they were 30 years ago. More members of families going to work and most importantly some households having 3-4 cars per home. It’s amazing when on the m25 how many vehicles have 1 occupant. If this is likely to go on they have to man the garages and set rules re key workers No jerry cans only vehicle less than a quarter full to be filled I've said many times that home-working would go a long way to resolving many of these issues: less traffic, less pollution, reduced travel costs, less cost to councils for road repairs, cleaner air, fewer deaths from air pollution related illnesses, less stressed workers, improved home/work balance, just a few benefits off the top of my head...interesting that all surveys since Covid have at least 2/3 of people not wanting to go back to a central work location. You can understand why. Even the suicide rate fell during lockdown, when you'd imagine the opposite to be true. Perhaps this is evidence of the negative impact our previous way of life was having on many people. I'd say so. www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n834We should embrace this and seize the opportunity to reap the benefits, instead of this government's misguided decision to try to push everyone back to where they used to work, get everyone back on the roads, buying fuel, pumping out CO2...this crisis simply wouldn't exist if more people were working from home. This could be a massive missed chance for real change that most people clearly want to see. Obviously certain jobs (many key workers) don't lend themselves to home-working and as with all things there are downsides, but this should be the way forward.
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Post by noustie on Sept 28, 2021 8:35:34 GMT
Maybe I'll get a tinfoil hat for Christmas but the speed at which society is accepting the army getting involved in anything is quite peturbing. The issue seems to completely revolve around drivers and how many will actually have a license to just jump in a tanker?
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Post by Veritas on Sept 28, 2021 8:44:42 GMT
Clever how they made up those photos of queues and empty fuel pumps! No-one is saying it is everywhere and all of the time but it certainly isn't made up. It’s not made up as you say but it’s turned into something made a whole lot worse by the news outlets 100%. Can you imagine the likes of Kay Burley just sitting on her arse saying well not much is happening today so I’m off bye.. Not a chance they just shit stir and add their own spin to everything without having the full facts. It is made worse by the government not having planned for something that was clearly predictable.
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Post by riverman on Sept 28, 2021 8:55:17 GMT
Glided into sainsbury's Hanley on way to work. All pumps working no queues just as I anticipated only two other cars and yet the moronic media are still raving about a non existent fuel crises and health unions insisting on priorities for "key" workers. Not to mention schools threatening to close. Utter madness. Clever how they made up those photos of queues and empty fuel pumps! No-one is saying it is everywhere and all of the time but it certainly isn't made up. Where have I said it's made up. I'm merely pointing out that instead of being a thick gullible arsehole I waited a couple of days and, as expected, was able to get fuel easily because there would be plenty of deliveries as there is no fuel shortage and as far as I'm aware it's only BP short of drivers.
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Post by riverman on Sept 28, 2021 8:57:44 GMT
Glided into sainsbury's Hanley on way to work. All pumps working no queues just as I anticipated only two other cars and yet the moronic media are still raving about a non existent fuel crises and health unions insisting on priorities for "key" workers. Not to mention schools threatening to close. Utter madness. Some good flying to land a glider in there mate …….. respect ✊ It was a squeeze. 😁
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 28, 2021 9:08:22 GMT
[quotewa author=" prestwichpotter " source="/post/7284301/thread" timestamp="1632813864"] BBC reporting this morning that schools could have to close and return to remote learning due to the fuel so called shortages. Or the parents could possibly walk their kids to schools instead of thinking it’s their right blocking every pavement directly outside the schools. thats the kids sorted what about the teachers though They could organise and carry out the walk to school schemes??[/quote] For the kids absolutely, every teacher I know travels to the school they work in, most of the teachers at my kids Primary School come from Rochdale, Oldham, Accrington, Stockport etc. so all but a few would be able to walk or even use public transport.......
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 28, 2021 10:14:32 GMT
I guess a lot comes down to what we class as key workers and the genuine need for transport and what alternatives people have. Our bus service locally is shocking but i could get in so i’d be willing to do it if necessary. Of course there are always exceptions but the dynamics of this country are very different to what they were 30 years ago. More members of families going to work and most importantly some households having 3-4 cars per home. It’s amazing when on the m25 how many vehicles have 1 occupant. If this is likely to go on they have to man the garages and set rules re key workers No jerry cans only vehicle less than a quarter full to be filled I've said many times that home-working would go a long way to resolving many of these issues: less traffic, less pollution, reduced travel costs, less cost to councils for road repairs, cleaner air, fewer deaths from air pollution related illnesses, less stressed workers, improved home/work balance, just a few benefits off the top of my head...interesting that all surveys since Covid have at least 2/3 of people not wanting to go back to a central work location. You can understand why. Even the suicide rate fell during lockdown, when you'd imagine the opposite to be true. Perhaps this is evidence of the negative impact our previous way of life was having on many people. I'd say so. www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n834We should embrace this and seize the opportunity to reap the benefits, instead of this government's misguided decision to try to push everyone back to where they used to work, get everyone back on the roads, buying fuel, pumping out CO2...this crisis simply wouldn't exist if more people were working from home. This could be a massive missed chance for real change that most people clearly want to see. Obviously certain jobs (many key workers) don't lend themselves to home-working and as with all things there are downsides, but this should be the way forward. Some good points made though i’m sure those home workers will be looking to get to the front of the petrol que still. I can see some benefits but some downsides too. 1- Isolation. There’s nothing like being in an office with the team around you. 2- the human touch. Social workers are still working from home. I have a friend who’s wife’s one and she’s barely been away from home. Likewise GPs. Who wants to talk to a doctor online. 3 - the elderly. They love to see people about. Being old and lonely isn’t nice. 4 - at what point will the bosses realise they can pay someone in Mumbai or Poland to do the same job as here for far less. 5 - productivity. People need supervising if they’re of a certain ilk. number 4 I think is the most worrying. I wonder how keen people will be to come back to the office when they realise there job’s moving overseas to be done by someone at half the price.
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Post by questionable on Sept 28, 2021 10:33:46 GMT
I guess a lot comes down to what we class as key workers and the genuine need for transport and what alternatives people have. Our bus service locally is shocking but i could get in so i’d be willing to do it if necessary. Of course there are always exceptions but the dynamics of this country are very different to what they were 30 years ago. More members of families going to work and most importantly some households having 3-4 cars per home. It’s amazing when on the m25 how many vehicles have 1 occupant. If this is likely to go on they have to man the garages and set rules re key workers No jerry cans only vehicle less than a quarter full to be filled I've said many times that home-working would go a long way to resolving many of these issues: less traffic, less pollution, reduced travel costs, less cost to councils for road repairs, cleaner air, fewer deaths from air pollution related illnesses, less stressed workers, improved home/work balance, just a few benefits off the top of my head...interesting that all surveys since Covid have at least 2/3 of people not wanting to go back to a central work location. You can understand why. Even the suicide rate fell during lockdown, when you'd imagine the opposite to be true. Perhaps this is evidence of the negative impact our previous way of life was having on many people. I'd say so. www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n834We should embrace this and seize the opportunity to reap the benefits, instead of this government's misguided decision to try to push everyone back to where they used to work, get everyone back on the roads, buying fuel, pumping out CO2...this crisis simply wouldn't exist if more people were working from home. This could be a massive missed chance for real change that most people clearly want to see. Obviously certain jobs (many key workers) don't lend themselves to home-working and as with all things there are downsides, but this should be the way forward. I’ve worked from home since March of last year and I can honestly say I never want to return to an office environment again, odd occasion I’ve had to call into an office to print paperwork off but other than that I’m quite happy working from home, as you mentioned there’s lots of positives by doing so. No longer do I have to put up with listening to absolute boring stuff, being asked to put into a collection for ppl I don't like, avoiding ppl who come into work saying I’ve been up all night throwing up, going to Wright’s Pies for my dinner and being asked by about 20 ppl to fetch their dinner, telling them I’ll put it on my card then being asked if I’ve got change for a tenner when I’ve already told them I’ll put it on my card, being told I’ll owe it you and never seeing the money again or I didn’t order this or I don’t like friggin cucumber and gherkins, it’s got to be brown but not seeded as white makes me constipated, two hours later I’ve had no dinner myself. And finally there was only one really fit woman and she’s left, the rest graze on cup cakes all day and friggin moan about their husbands all day and why they can’t get in their clothes. And the making a brew x 20, I have one sweetener red milk and de caf person, I always got them wrong, mingers who don’t wash their cups and say oh it’s ok like that which basically means can you wash it for me, then some tosser who’s used the last milk or the last of the hot water and not said anything so it’s up to me to go get the milk and fill the water up again and finally someone had used your cup for a visitor meaning you have to go hunting for it.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 28, 2021 10:38:42 GMT
I've said many times that home-working would go a long way to resolving many of these issues: less traffic, less pollution, reduced travel costs, less cost to councils for road repairs, cleaner air, fewer deaths from air pollution related illnesses, less stressed workers, improved home/work balance, just a few benefits off the top of my head...interesting that all surveys since Covid have at least 2/3 of people not wanting to go back to a central work location. You can understand why. Even the suicide rate fell during lockdown, when you'd imagine the opposite to be true. Perhaps this is evidence of the negative impact our previous way of life was having on many people. I'd say so. www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n834We should embrace this and seize the opportunity to reap the benefits, instead of this government's misguided decision to try to push everyone back to where they used to work, get everyone back on the roads, buying fuel, pumping out CO2...this crisis simply wouldn't exist if more people were working from home. This could be a massive missed chance for real change that most people clearly want to see. Obviously certain jobs (many key workers) don't lend themselves to home-working and as with all things there are downsides, but this should be the way forward. Some good points made though i’m sure those home workers will be looking to get to the front of the petrol que still. I can see some benefits but some downsides too. 1- Isolation. There’s nothing like being in an office with the team around you. 2- the human touch. Social workers are still working from home. I have a friend who’s wife’s one and she’s barely been away from home. Likewise GPs. Who wants to talk to a doctor online. 3 - the elderly. They love to see people about. Being old and lonely isn’t nice. 4 - at what point will the bosses realise they can pay someone in Mumbai or Poland to do the same job as here for far less. 5 - productivity. People need supervising if they’re of a certain ilk. number 4 I think is the most worrying. I wonder how keen people will be to come back to the office when they realise there job’s moving overseas to be done by someone at half the price. I generally dislike or have very little in common with the people I work with so this is most definitely not a bonus for me, I'm sure they wouldn't miss me either People generally don't need supervising in my experience, if you trust and support people to do their job you get more out of them not less......
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 28, 2021 10:44:20 GMT
I've said many times that home-working would go a long way to resolving many of these issues: less traffic, less pollution, reduced travel costs, less cost to councils for road repairs, cleaner air, fewer deaths from air pollution related illnesses, less stressed workers, improved home/work balance, just a few benefits off the top of my head...interesting that all surveys since Covid have at least 2/3 of people not wanting to go back to a central work location. You can understand why. Even the suicide rate fell during lockdown, when you'd imagine the opposite to be true. Perhaps this is evidence of the negative impact our previous way of life was having on many people. I'd say so. www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n834We should embrace this and seize the opportunity to reap the benefits, instead of this government's misguided decision to try to push everyone back to where they used to work, get everyone back on the roads, buying fuel, pumping out CO2...this crisis simply wouldn't exist if more people were working from home. This could be a massive missed chance for real change that most people clearly want to see. Obviously certain jobs (many key workers) don't lend themselves to home-working and as with all things there are downsides, but this should be the way forward. Some good points made though i’m sure those home workers will be looking to get to the front of the petrol que still. I can see some benefits but some downsides too. 1- Isolation. There’s nothing like being in an office with the team around you. 2- the human touch. Social workers are still working from home. I have a friend who’s wife’s one and she’s barely been away from home. Likewise GPs. Who wants to talk to a doctor online. 3 - the elderly. They love to see people about. Being old and lonely isn’t nice. 4 - at what point will the bosses realise they can pay someone in Mumbai or Poland to do the same job as here for far less. 5 - productivity. People need supervising if they’re of a certain ilk. number 4 I think is the most worrying. I wonder how keen people will be to come back to the office when they realise there job’s moving overseas to be done by someone at half the price. But less so if they're driving less. There are no doubt jobs better suited to human contact, but loads that aren't. The elderly are already isolated and alone in this country. Home-working or not won't affect that. And point 4 is already the case, home-working or not, there's barely a call centre left in this country and plenty of manufacturing gone abroad. Point five just comes down to managing people and their output, no more difficult from a discrete location than being in the office. We all know offices are full of people who work and those who chat, make coffee, wander about with bits of paper, go on the Oatcake! If I had to constantly supervise someone to do their job properly, they wouldn't be working for me. The fact that a good majority of people prefer this way of working speaks volumes about the unhealthiness of our approach previously.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 28, 2021 10:48:52 GMT
Fucking hell Scholesy lad.....
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 28, 2021 11:11:44 GMT
Some good points made though i’m sure those home workers will be looking to get to the front of the petrol que still. I can see some benefits but some downsides too. 1- Isolation. There’s nothing like being in an office with the team around you. 2- the human touch. Social workers are still working from home. I have a friend who’s wife’s one and she’s barely been away from home. Likewise GPs. Who wants to talk to a doctor online. 3 - the elderly. They love to see people about. Being old and lonely isn’t nice. 4 - at what point will the bosses realise they can pay someone in Mumbai or Poland to do the same job as here for far less. 5 - productivity. People need supervising if they’re of a certain ilk. number 4 I think is the most worrying. I wonder how keen people will be to come back to the office when they realise there job’s moving overseas to be done by someone at half the price. I generally dislike or have very little in common with the people I work with so this is most definitely not a bonus for me, I'm sure they wouldn't miss me either People generally don't need supervising in my experience, if you trust and support people to do their job you get more out of them not less...... I guess a lot depends on the employer and employee. What’s your thoughts on the employer getting a cheaper workforce overseas. Think it’ll happen?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 28, 2021 11:17:57 GMT
Some good points made though i’m sure those home workers will be looking to get to the front of the petrol que still. I can see some benefits but some downsides too. 1- Isolation. There’s nothing like being in an office with the team around you. 2- the human touch. Social workers are still working from home. I have a friend who’s wife’s one and she’s barely been away from home. Likewise GPs. Who wants to talk to a doctor online. 3 - the elderly. They love to see people about. Being old and lonely isn’t nice. 4 - at what point will the bosses realise they can pay someone in Mumbai or Poland to do the same job as here for far less. 5 - productivity. People need supervising if they’re of a certain ilk. number 4 I think is the most worrying. I wonder how keen people will be to come back to the office when they realise there job’s moving overseas to be done by someone at half the price. But less so if they're driving less. There are no doubt jobs better suited to human contact, but loads that aren't. The elderly are already isolated and alone in this country. Home-working or not won't affect that. And point 4 is already the case, home-working or not, there's barely a call centre left in this country and plenty of manufacturing gone abroad. Point five just comes down to managing people and their output, no more difficult from a discrete location than being in the office. We all know offices are full of people who work and those who chat, make coffee, wander about with bits of paper, go on the Oatcake! If I had to constantly supervise someone to do their job properly, they wouldn't be working for me. The fact that a good majority of people prefer this way of working speaks volumes about the unhealthiness of our approach previously. What employee wouldn’t prefer to work at home though? It’s not that dissimilar from kids wanting to be home schooled which a lot increasingly want because they prefer not having a teacher telling them what to do. Somewhere down the line you can’t always have you want or to have the easy life. If you do it’ll come at a cost. In relation to 4 Im sure it is but where there’s someone working from home there’s the opportunity for cheap labour elsewhere. It’s not going to get any better is it surely?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 28, 2021 11:29:19 GMT
I generally dislike or have very little in common with the people I work with so this is most definitely not a bonus for me, I'm sure they wouldn't miss me either People generally don't need supervising in my experience, if you trust and support people to do their job you get more out of them not less...... I guess a lot depends on the employer and employee. What’s your thoughts on the employer getting a cheaper workforce overseas. Think it’ll happen? It's been happening for years already hasn't it? I'm not sure home working would be a deal breaker in any company contemplating relocating it's work force for cheaper labour personally.......
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Sept 28, 2021 15:13:09 GMT
Purely media induced panic to get clicks. The public will catch up with reality soon and things will be fine again by Friday. Unless the media find another way to get everyone queuing again. However the focus will turn to lack of some unimportant shit for Christmas not being available, turkey, crackers, plastic tat or some other shit we don’t need.
God humans are tossers, a couple of hundred years and we’ll have wiped ourselves off the planet.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 28, 2021 15:20:21 GMT
I guess a lot depends on the employer and employee. What’s your thoughts on the employer getting a cheaper workforce overseas. Think it’ll happen? It's been happening for years already hasn't it? I'm not sure home working would be a deal breaker in any company contemplating relocating it's work force for cheaper labour personally....... it would if the bosses and owners are as selfish, greedy and money obsessed as you always make them out to be. If they’re as keen to avoid paying taxes to make them richer I’m sure they won’t give 2 hoots about relocating overseas and putting their U.k. employees working from home out of work.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 28, 2021 15:28:32 GMT
It's been happening for years already hasn't it? I'm not sure home working would be a deal breaker in any company contemplating relocating it's work force for cheaper labour personally....... it would if the bosses and owners are as selfish, greedy and money obsessed as you always make them out to be. If they’re as keen to avoid paying taxes to make them richer I’m sure they won’t give 2 hoots about relocating overseas and putting their U.k. employees working from home out of work. My point was they're already doing that, I think the working from home scenario is irrelevant in that respect that's all......
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Post by ChesterStokie on Sept 28, 2021 15:34:53 GMT
Purely media induced panic to get clicks. The public will catch up with reality soon and things will be fine again by Friday. Unless the media find another way to get everyone queuing again. However the focus will turn to lack of some unimportant shit for Christmas not being available, turkey, crackers, plastic tat or some other shit we don’t need. God humans are tossers, a couple of hundred years and we’ll have wiped ourselves off the planet. I think a couple of hundred years is a bit optimistic.
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