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Post by questionable on Sept 29, 2021 12:22:25 GMT
Stafford services south has both , petrol £1.60, diesel, £1.63. Strangely no que Recall having diesel cars years ago as the diesel was cheaper at the time and sure the road tax was, opposite now ofc. I’ve just been on line enquiring about my road tax and says £155 but increased by £320 for the first five years as the vehicle was over £40,000, totally wrong IMO.
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Post by andystokey on Sept 29, 2021 12:39:23 GMT
There was never an issue with fuel supply, only with selfishness…… Mate, tin helmet on i don't think it was selfish behaviour in most cases . If you ignor the morons filling up multiple jerry cans and plastic shopping bags i think people were just responding to government advice. Dont leave home if you have less than a quarter tank was advice guaranteed to create the public response weve seen There is the usual simplistic narrative driven by the MSM who caused all this in the first place. If you have machine tools to operate you need a Jerry can else don't use your generator on site or your chainsaw and you don't earn money. The van driver who delivered my stuff this morning for my job from London set off at 430am, to get to Buxton then down to Stafford to make several other workers productive. No motorway petrol and now 35 miles range to get home, got to feel for him.
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Post by questionable on Sept 29, 2021 12:43:43 GMT
Mate, tin helmet on i don't think it was selfish behaviour in most cases . If you ignor the morons filling up multiple jerry cans and plastic shopping bags i think people were just responding to government advice. Dont leave home if you have less than a quarter tank was advice guaranteed to create the public response weve seen There is the usual simplistic narrative driven by the MSM who caused all this in the first place. If you have machine tools to operate you need a Jerry can else don't use your generator on site or your chainsaw and you don't earn money. The van driver who delivered my stuff this morning for my job from London set off at 430am, to get to Buxton then down to Stafford to make several other workers productive. No motorway petrol and now 35 miles range to get home, got to feel for him. Stinks and purely down to individual greed
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 29, 2021 12:56:47 GMT
Mate, tin helmet on i don't think it was selfish behaviour in most cases . If you ignor the morons filling up multiple jerry cans and plastic shopping bags i think people were just responding to government advice. Dont leave home if you have less than a quarter tank was advice guaranteed to create the public response weve seen There is the usual simplistic narrative driven by the MSM who caused all this in the first place. If you have machine tools to operate you need a Jerry can else don't use your generator on site or your chainsaw and you don't earn money. The van driver who delivered my stuff this morning for my job from London set off at 430am, to get to Buxton then down to Stafford to make several other workers productive. No motorway petrol and now 35 miles range to get home, got to feel for him. Absolutely thats my point . All the people queueing have all been characterised as brainless numptis . Some are undoubtedly but a lot of people saw this situation building and were left with little choice if they wanted to go to work or take the kids to school
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Post by questionable on Sept 29, 2021 13:11:19 GMT
There is the usual simplistic narrative driven by the MSM who caused all this in the first place. If you have machine tools to operate you need a Jerry can else don't use your generator on site or your chainsaw and you don't earn money. The van driver who delivered my stuff this morning for my job from London set off at 430am, to get to Buxton then down to Stafford to make several other workers productive. No motorway petrol and now 35 miles range to get home, got to feel for him. Absolutely thats my point . All the people queueing have all been characterised as brainless numptis . Some are undoubtedly but a lot of people saw this situation building and were left with little choice if they wanted to go to work or take the kids to school All true but then there’s the people who on average use say £15 a week but now putting in £60 a week, much like a girl at work who told me this morning she’d done so but now not going out as doesn’t want to waste her fuel on unnecessary journeys. In three days I’ve seen less than a handful of cars go past which is wonderful, hopefully I’ll be OK waiting it out for my car.
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 29, 2021 16:59:50 GMT
Absolutely thats my point . All the people queueing have all been characterised as brainless numptis . Some are undoubtedly but a lot of people saw this situation building and were left with little choice if they wanted to go to work or take the kids to school All true but then there’s the people who on average use say £15 a week but now putting in £60 a week, much like a girl at work who told me this morning she’d done so but now not going out as doesn’t want to waste her fuel on unnecessary journeys. In three days I’ve seen less than a handful of cars go past which is wonderful, hopefully I’ll be OK waiting it out for my car. Was talking to one of my kids teachers yesterday, her and her husband decided last Friday not to join the Bun fight at our local petrol Station keep a dignified distance until the situation calmed down a little . Shes walking a mile to school her husband can't work this week .
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 29, 2021 17:28:32 GMT
All true but then there’s the people who on average use say £15 a week but now putting in £60 a week, much like a girl at work who told me this morning she’d done so but now not going out as doesn’t want to waste her fuel on unnecessary journeys. In three days I’ve seen less than a handful of cars go past which is wonderful, hopefully I’ll be OK waiting it out for my car. Was talking to one of my kids teachers yesterday, her and her husband decided last Friday not to join the Bun fight at our local petrol Station keep a dignified distance until the situation calmed down a little . Shes walking a mile to school her husband can't work this week . Seems pretty daft she’d not walk to work all the time if it’s only 1 mile.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 29, 2021 17:34:21 GMT
Was talking to one of my kids teachers yesterday, her and her husband decided last Friday not to join the Bun fight at our local petrol Station keep a dignified distance until the situation calmed down a little . Shes walking a mile to school her husband can't work this week . Seems pretty daft she’d not walk to work all the time if it’s only 1 mile. Beat me to it mate!
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Post by teenagefanclub on Sept 29, 2021 18:32:27 GMT
First attempted re fuel in 10 days, drove to sainsburys in Newcastle there were 4 cars there, all fuels available and tanker there as well re stocking.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 29, 2021 20:06:03 GMT
Was talking to one of my kids teachers yesterday, her and her husband decided last Friday not to join the Bun fight at our local petrol Station keep a dignified distance until the situation calmed down a little . Shes walking a mile to school her husband can't work this week . Seems pretty daft she’d not walk to work all the time if it’s only 1 mile. If I lived within a mile of work there’s no way I’d drive, I’ve done it for over 20 years whilst the Mrs runs the car for care work. Recently moved jobs to Crewe and I cycle to the station at 6.30 am get on the train and cycle a couple of miles the other side. The traffic is a nightmare, no way I’d drive that journey for work.
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 29, 2021 20:15:58 GMT
The 'crisis' is over isn't it? Every filling station I've been past today seemed back to normal. Panic over🙄
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 29, 2021 20:39:38 GMT
The 'crisis' is over isn't it? Every filling station I've been past today seemed back to normal. Panic over🙄 So that's 1 week crisis, because BP run short of petrol at 100 stations About the same time Nando's were without chicken at 45 restaurants due to one factory losing staff due to a pingdemic and halting production, till Nando's sent them some staff to help out. Are we a nation of knicker wetters?
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 29, 2021 20:58:54 GMT
The 'crisis' is over isn't it? Every filling station I've been past today seemed back to normal. Panic over🙄 So that's 1 week crisis, because BP run short of petrol at 100 stations About the same time Nando's were without chicken at 45 restaurants due to one factory losing staff due to a pingdemic and halting production, till Nando's sent them some staff to help out. Are we a nation of knicker wetters? No. But we are a nation with knicker wetters. One or two post on this message board on a regular basis.
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 29, 2021 23:13:53 GMT
The 'crisis' is over isn't it? Every filling station I've been past today seemed back to normal. Panic over🙄 I think in London and the south there are still a few problems which is why the media still reports it if it was in Stoke or Doncaster they wouldn't give a fuck. I took one of the dogs to get sheared yesterday both the petrol stations I went past had no fuel not bothered going looking for it yet still got a 1/4 tank that will do me to end of next week, I am / was due to drive to Stone saturday but if its still a faff to get petrol will just go up a week later.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 30, 2021 8:22:04 GMT
The 'crisis' is over isn't it? Every filling station I've been past today seemed back to normal. Panic over🙄 I think in London and the south there are still a few problems which is why the media still reports it if it was in Stoke or Doncaster they wouldn't give a fuck. I took one of the dogs to get sheared yesterday both the petrol stations I went past had no fuel not bothered going looking for it yet still got a 1/4 tank that will do me to end of next week, I am / was due to drive to Stone saturday but if its still a faff to get petrol will just go up a week later. On the Yorkshire regional news last night a local reporter spent the day going all round Barnsley visiting petrol stations. She found petrol at every one and sounded disappointed. She added that there were reports of petrol shortages in smaller towns like Ilkley. There is a shortage in my town, we don't have a petrol station.* The media are reporting that the UK Q2 (Apr-Jun) GDP was higher than previously thought. One thing is certain Q3 fuel sales are going to be mega, but I expect in months to come the media will be reporting a disastrous decline in fuel sales in Q4. www.independent.co.uk/news/business/uk-economy-gdp-covid-lockdown-b1929721.html* A little anecdote: There used to be a small filling station, but the garage owner packed in selling petrol as he could not make a profit. He said " People can buy petrol at the big supermarkets in York or Boroughbridge cheaper than it costs me to buy it from the petrol companies." The costs of his overheads like rates and insurance and minimal sales meant the price he charged was causing customers to complain about his prices. So he stopped selling fuel.
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Post by riverman on Sept 30, 2021 10:46:55 GMT
The 'crisis' is over isn't it? Every filling station I've been past today seemed back to normal. Panic over🙄 There never was a crisis.
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Post by questionable on Sept 30, 2021 11:44:19 GMT
The 'crisis' is over isn't it? Every filling station I've been past today seemed back to normal. Panic over🙄 There never was a crisis. There was at Nandos 😡😡
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Sept 30, 2021 12:32:24 GMT
I think in London and the south there are still a few problems which is why the media still reports it if it was in Stoke or Doncaster they wouldn't give a fuck. I took one of the dogs to get sheared yesterday both the petrol stations I went past had no fuel not bothered going looking for it yet still got a 1/4 tank that will do me to end of next week, I am / was due to drive to Stone saturday but if its still a faff to get petrol will just go up a week later. On the Yorkshire regional news last night a local reporter spent the day going all round Barnsley visiting petrol stations. She found petrol at every one and sounded disappointed. She added that there were reports of petrol shortages in smaller towns like Ilkley. There is a shortage in my town, we don't have a petrol station.* The media are reporting that the UK Q2 (Apr-Jun) GDP was higher than previously thought. One thing is certain Q3 fuel sales are going to be mega, but I expect in months to come the media will be reporting a disastrous decline in fuel sales in Q4. www.independent.co.uk/news/business/uk-economy-gdp-covid-lockdown-b1929721.html* A little anecdote: There used to be a small filling station, but the garage owner packed in selling petrol as he could not make a profit. He said " People can buy petrol at the big supermarkets in York or Boroughbridge cheaper than it costs me to buy it from the petrol companies." The costs of his overheads like rates and insurance and minimal sales meant the price he charged was causing customers to complain about his prices. So he stopped selling fuel. Believe it or not very little profit is made on actual retail fuel sales as a bit like gas it is bought in at a 'market' price and sold for a couple of pence more. Oil companies make their profits further upstream and supermarkets dominate the market as - if not 'loss leaders' - highly marginal business to get folk into their stores and why the likes of BP are either primarily landlords or franchisees at the forecourts (M&S foods partnerships etc) and why we have about 30% of the forecouts nationally than we had 20 years ago. Don't get me wrong I'm not sending any sympathy cards to oil companies but independents can barely survive in that climate and even the big boys close those sites that aren't on main routes because the footfall isn't there to attract the franchises.
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Post by flea79 on Sept 30, 2021 12:42:58 GMT
On the Yorkshire regional news last night a local reporter spent the day going all round Barnsley visiting petrol stations. She found petrol at every one and sounded disappointed. She added that there were reports of petrol shortages in smaller towns like Ilkley. There is a shortage in my town, we don't have a petrol station.* The media are reporting that the UK Q2 (Apr-Jun) GDP was higher than previously thought. One thing is certain Q3 fuel sales are going to be mega, but I expect in months to come the media will be reporting a disastrous decline in fuel sales in Q4. www.independent.co.uk/news/business/uk-economy-gdp-covid-lockdown-b1929721.html* A little anecdote: There used to be a small filling station, but the garage owner packed in selling petrol as he could not make a profit. He said " People can buy petrol at the big supermarkets in York or Boroughbridge cheaper than it costs me to buy it from the petrol companies." The costs of his overheads like rates and insurance and minimal sales meant the price he charged was causing customers to complain about his prices. So he stopped selling fuel. Believe it or not very little profit is made on actual retail fuel sales as a bit like gas it is bought in at a 'market' price and sold for a couple of pence more. Oil companies make their profits further upstream and supermarkets dominate the market as - if not 'loss leaders' - highly marginal business to get folk into their stores and why the likes of BP are either primarily landlords or franchisees at the forecourts (M&S foods partnerships etc) and why we have about 30% of the forecouts nationally than we had 20 years ago. Don't get me wrong I'm not sending any sympathy cards to oil companies but independents can barely survive in that climate and even the big boys close those sites that aren't on main routes because the footfall isn't there to attract the franchises. an ex of mines dad was a senior person in north sea oil before his retirement and holds shares still, i once said he must be worth a fortune with the price of fuel, he put me right then and said about fuel being worthless the money came from oil in soap etc
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Post by yeokel on Sept 30, 2021 12:54:28 GMT
On the Yorkshire regional news last night a local reporter spent the day going all round Barnsley visiting petrol stations. She found petrol at every one and sounded disappointed. She added that there were reports of petrol shortages in smaller towns like Ilkley. There is a shortage in my town, we don't have a petrol station.* The media are reporting that the UK Q2 (Apr-Jun) GDP was higher than previously thought. One thing is certain Q3 fuel sales are going to be mega, but I expect in months to come the media will be reporting a disastrous decline in fuel sales in Q4. www.independent.co.uk/news/business/uk-economy-gdp-covid-lockdown-b1929721.html* A little anecdote: There used to be a small filling station, but the garage owner packed in selling petrol as he could not make a profit. He said " People can buy petrol at the big supermarkets in York or Boroughbridge cheaper than it costs me to buy it from the petrol companies." The costs of his overheads like rates and insurance and minimal sales meant the price he charged was causing customers to complain about his prices. So he stopped selling fuel. Believe it or not very little profit is made on actual retail fuel sales as a bit like gas it is bought in at a 'market' price and sold for a couple of pence more. Oil companies make their profits further upstream and supermarkets dominate the market as - if not 'loss leaders' - highly marginal business to get folk into their stores and why the likes of BP are either primarily landlords or franchisees at the forecourts (M&S foods partnerships etc) and why we have about 30% of the forecouts nationally than we had 20 years ago. Don't get me wrong I'm not sending any sympathy cards to oil companies but independents can barely survive in that climate and even the big boys close those sites that aren't on main routes because the footfall isn't there to attract the franchises. ". ..supermarkets dominate the market as - if not 'loss leaders' - highly marginal business to get folk into their stores..." I usually buy my fuel at a supermarket. But I don't usually go in to the supermarket to buy anything. In fact, I usually don't buy anything in the place where you pay either. And, what's more, I prefer to 'pay at the pump' if it's an option. This probably hasn't contributed to the debate, but I just felt I should say it
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Post by questionable on Sept 30, 2021 13:00:35 GMT
Believe it or not very little profit is made on actual retail fuel sales as a bit like gas it is bought in at a 'market' price and sold for a couple of pence more. Oil companies make their profits further upstream and supermarkets dominate the market as - if not 'loss leaders' - highly marginal business to get folk into their stores and why the likes of BP are either primarily landlords or franchisees at the forecourts (M&S foods partnerships etc) and why we have about 30% of the forecouts nationally than we had 20 years ago. Don't get me wrong I'm not sending any sympathy cards to oil companies but independents can barely survive in that climate and even the big boys close those sites that aren't on main routes because the footfall isn't there to attract the franchises. ". ..supermarkets dominate the market as - if not 'loss leaders' - highly marginal business to get folk into their stores..." I usually buy my fuel at a supermarket. But I don't usually go in to the supermarket to buy anything. In fact, I usually don't buy anything in the place where you pay either. And, what's more, I prefer to 'pay at the pump' if it's an option. This probably hasn't contributed to the debate, but I just felt I should say it My wife’s mate was telling me the other day that they never buy supermarket fuel as its crap and they always buy the super un leaded stuff, I’d presumed they had a really nice car but far from it. Remember the Impreza would only run on super un leaded??
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 30, 2021 13:04:47 GMT
On the Yorkshire regional news last night a local reporter spent the day going all round Barnsley visiting petrol stations. She found petrol at every one and sounded disappointed. She added that there were reports of petrol shortages in smaller towns like Ilkley. There is a shortage in my town, we don't have a petrol station.* The media are reporting that the UK Q2 (Apr-Jun) GDP was higher than previously thought. One thing is certain Q3 fuel sales are going to be mega, but I expect in months to come the media will be reporting a disastrous decline in fuel sales in Q4. www.independent.co.uk/news/business/uk-economy-gdp-covid-lockdown-b1929721.html* A little anecdote: There used to be a small filling station, but the garage owner packed in selling petrol as he could not make a profit. He said " People can buy petrol at the big supermarkets in York or Boroughbridge cheaper than it costs me to buy it from the petrol companies." The costs of his overheads like rates and insurance and minimal sales meant the price he charged was causing customers to complain about his prices. So he stopped selling fuel. Believe it or not very little profit is made on actual retail fuel sales as a bit like gas it is bought in at a 'market' price and sold for a couple of pence more. Oil companies make their profits further upstream and supermarkets dominate the market as - if not 'loss leaders' - highly marginal business to get folk into their stores and why the likes of BP are either primarily landlords or franchisees at the forecourts (M&S foods partnerships etc) and why we have about 30% of the forecouts nationally than we had 20 years ago. Don't get me wrong I'm not sending any sympathy cards to oil companies but independents can barely survive in that climate and even the big boys close those sites that aren't on main routes because the footfall isn't there to attract the franchises. Interesting post. I once knew a graduate chemical engineer who was working towards his PhD and his thesis was on the size of air "bubbles" in bread! He was sponsored by Rank Hovis McDougal. Two interesting facts from our conversation were: The size of bubbles in bread is very significant as it determines the texture taste when you put it in mouth which apparently is the main factor in determining people's choice of bread, as opposed to other factors like flavour. The second interesting thing I learned from him is that Rank Hovis McDougal made no profit selling bread. They sell at cost mainly to keep their name highlighted. They make all their profit selling flour.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Sept 30, 2021 14:53:50 GMT
". ..supermarkets dominate the market as - if not 'loss leaders' - highly marginal business to get folk into their stores..." I usually buy my fuel at a supermarket. But I don't usually go in to the supermarket to buy anything. In fact, I usually don't buy anything in the place where you pay either. And, what's more, I prefer to 'pay at the pump' if it's an option. This probably hasn't contributed to the debate, but I just felt I should say it My wife’s mate was telling me the other day that they never buy supermarket fuel as its crap and they always buy the super un leaded stuff, I’d presumed they had a really nice car but far from it. Remember the Impreza would only run on super un leaded?? All basic fuel is pretty much the same wherever it comes from and is refined to tight standard. What varies with 'super' products is any additives (detergents) etc they dose it with after the refining process is complete. Can't comment on petrol because I've never worked with a petrol fleet but over the years have been involved in several fuel trials with diesel and was never able to show any tangible benefits in either mpg or engine condition that warranted the additional cost of 'super diesel' for use in a larger vehicle fleet (ie not cars).
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 30, 2021 15:22:24 GMT
My wife’s mate was telling me the other day that they never buy supermarket fuel as its crap and they always buy the super un leaded stuff, I’d presumed they had a really nice car but far from it. Remember the Impreza would only run on super un leaded?? All basic fuel is pretty much the same wherever it comes from and is refined to tight standard. What varies with 'super' products is any additives (detergents) etc they dose it with after the refining process is complete. Can't comment on petrol because I've never worked with a petrol fleet but over the years have been involved in several fuel trials with diesel and was never able to show any tangible benefits in either mpg or engine condition that warranted the additional cost of 'super diesel' for use in a larger vehicle fleet (ie not cars).Same here, nothing at all......
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 30, 2021 15:53:13 GMT
Here are the UK oil refineries: www.reuters.com/article/uk-total-refineries-uk-idUKTRE61M3ND20100223What strikes you is the company names bear little resemblance to fuel brand names at the petrol stations. I was once told that each refinery tends to feed the stations in its area to keep logistics costs down. So the BP you buy in the North East is unlikely to be the same BP that you buy in the South West, but as already mentioned it will be to the same specification., just like all the different aspirin you can buy is to the same chemical standard. The same thing happens in other industries such as food and pharmaceutical where the same product is put in different customers packaging. I once visited Sterling Organics on Tyneside who supplied Boots as well as Sterling Health.
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Post by xchpotter on Sept 30, 2021 16:51:30 GMT
The 'crisis' is over isn't it? Every filling station I've been past today seemed back to normal. Panic over🙄 There never was a crisis. Be interesting to see what has changed in the last week with a government minister saying supply has exceeded demand today. Assuming that no additional capacity to supply was created in the last week, then it can only mean that the increase came from excessive demand. Who created the demand? The moronic general public lapping up the scare stories from the media. The government should lay this last week solely at the feet of the media.
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Post by riverman on Sept 30, 2021 17:43:45 GMT
There never was a crisis. Be interesting to see what has changed in the last week with a government minister saying supply has exceeded demand today. Assuming that no additional capacity to supply was created in the last week, then it can only mean that the increase came from excessive demand. Who created the demand? The moronic general public lapping up the scare stories from the media. The government should lay this last week solely at the feet of the media. 100%
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Post by zerps on Sept 30, 2021 17:49:03 GMT
Seems pretty daft she’d not walk to work all the time if it’s only 1 mile. If I lived within a mile of work there’s no way I’d drive, I’ve done it for over 20 years whilst the Mrs runs the car for care work. Recently moved jobs to Crewe and I cycle to the station at 6.30 am get on the train and cycle a couple of miles the other side. The traffic is a nightmare, no way I’d drive that journey for work. Why don’t you just cycle all the way there down the tracks?
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 30, 2021 19:27:36 GMT
Having travelled Stoke to Chester then to Donaster back to Stoke today I only the BP garages shut , Tesco fuel was easily available with no Q , services down the M1 had no fuel but fuelled up again on Tesco Meir Park with ease with a full tank for Plymouth tomorrow
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 30, 2021 21:13:36 GMT
If I lived within a mile of work there’s no way I’d drive, I’ve done it for over 20 years whilst the Mrs runs the car for care work. Recently moved jobs to Crewe and I cycle to the station at 6.30 am get on the train and cycle a couple of miles the other side. The traffic is a nightmare, no way I’d drive that journey for work. Why don’t you just cycle all the way there down the tracks? Well I would do but……
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