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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 27, 2021 13:39:13 GMT
The driver shortages affected a handful of petrol stations somewhere in the country, the fact that there's a shortage in Stoke-on-Trent right now is solely down to the media causing a panic. Places are still getting deliveries as normal around here, the only issue is that people are seeing in the news that it's hard to get petrol, panic buying and making it hard to get fuel. It's irresponsible reporting. Journalists don't report on suicides because when they do there's a big surge in similar suicides. They need to do the same with "fuel shortages". Not going to are they though? I bet The Sentinel have had more clicks on these stories than they do for most of their other crap. Spot on. Though there’s a few on here would rather blame the government. I want names or not true 😂
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 27, 2021 13:42:36 GMT
Nope. It's down to driver shortages, a significant part of which is Brexit related. The public hasn't helped, but we do live in quite a selfish society so not all that unexpected. Blaming the media for reporting what is going on is just a convenient scapegoat. So why is it that if we’ve had driver shortages post Brexit we’ve not had loads of empty fuel stations for months? The issue has been caused by people acting selfishly because of a couple of stories in the press. We’ve managed fine when people stuck to their usual buying habits. Don't know, perhaps it took this long for the driver shortages to start to have an impact. There weren't any food/supplies shortages in the shops for a while after Brexit officially started on 1 Jan this year either, so maybe there are lag periods where these things work through? Not saying it's the be all and end all, but it's certainly not helped in the fact that inevitably foreign lorry drivers left and haven't returned. There aren't any fuel queues on the continent currently, although you're right in that people panic buying doesn't help. Lengthy queues outside my local garage just now.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 27, 2021 13:46:40 GMT
The driver shortages affected a handful of petrol stations somewhere in the country, the fact that there's a shortage in Stoke-on-Trent right now is solely down to the media causing a panic. Places are still getting deliveries as normal around here, the only issue is that people are seeing in the news that it's hard to get petrol, panic buying and making it hard to get fuel. It's irresponsible reporting. Journalists don't report on suicides because when they do there's a big surge in similar suicides. They need to do the same with "fuel shortages". Not going to are they though? I bet The Sentinel have had more clicks on these stories than they do for most of their other crap. Spot on. Though there’s a few on here would rather blame the government. I don't think that's unreasonable, they've been arguing amongst themselves for months over how to solve the shortages of drivers. First it was relax the hours, then it was increase testing, finally it's let the foreigners back in....it's been a bit of a mess of a response to a crisis. Where have we seen that before?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 27, 2021 13:51:00 GMT
Spot on. Though there’s a few on here would rather blame the government. I don't think that's unreasonable, they've been arguing amongst themselves for months over how to solve the shortages of drivers. First it was relax the hours, then it was increase testing, finally it's let the foreigners back in....it's been a bit of a mess of a response to a crisis. Where have we seen that before? Not the main factor though. If the papers hadn’t fed the story and due to the selfish actions of few there wouldn’t be a problem.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Sept 27, 2021 13:55:58 GMT
So why is it that if we’ve had driver shortages post Brexit we’ve not had loads of empty fuel stations for months? The issue has been caused by people acting selfishly because of a couple of stories in the press. We’ve managed fine when people stuck to their usual buying habits. Don't know, perhaps it took this long for the driver shortages to start to have an impact. There weren't any food/supplies shortages in the shops for a while after Brexit officially started on 1 Jan this year either, so maybe there are lag periods where these things work through? Not saying it's the be all and end all, but it's certainly not helped in the fact that inevitably foreign lorry drivers left and haven't returned. There aren't any fuel queues on the continent currently, although you're right in that people panic buying doesn't help. Lengthy queues outside my local garage just now. Supply chains are like walls and drivers are like bricks. You can take bricks out of a wall and it will stay upright - but don't ever think that by doing so it remains solid - because unless you put those bricks back sooner or later you'll either take one too many bricks out or it will be required to bear a weight it's noonger strong enough to cope with. For a variety of reasons we've been taking bricks out of our supply chain wall for too long and not put enough back. Brexit took some more out but the pandemic reduced the weight it had to bear. Now the weights come back snd the bricks haven't. Is Brexit the only cause - 100% No. Would we be having these problems if we were still in the EU - not to the same degree we wuldn't.. Being in the EU didn't mean everything was running smoothly - it wasn't - leaving without contingency however gave the already fragile wall a final push.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 27, 2021 13:57:53 GMT
I don't think that's unreasonable, they've been arguing amongst themselves for months over how to solve the shortages of drivers. First it was relax the hours, then it was increase testing, finally it's let the foreigners back in....it's been a bit of a mess of a response to a crisis. Where have we seen that before? Not the main factor though. If the papers hadn’t fed the story and due to the selfish actions of few there wouldn’t be a problem. We live in a selfish individual-centred society so it's not really surprising that an "I'm alright, Jack" approach to this crisis has manifested. Not saying it's right, just that it's not surprising. Blaming the media is just a convenient scapegoat. No-one thinks the media has any impact on them when it comes to voting intentions, why should it suddenly be so influential now?
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Post by questionable on Sept 27, 2021 13:58:30 GMT
The driver shortages affected a handful of petrol stations somewhere in the country, the fact that there's a shortage in Stoke-on-Trent right now is solely down to the media causing a panic. Places are still getting deliveries as normal around here, the only issue is that people are seeing in the news that it's hard to get petrol, panic buying and making it hard to get fuel. It's irresponsible reporting. Journalists don't report on suicides because when they do there's a big surge in similar suicides. They need to do the same with "fuel shortages". Not going to are they though? I bet The Sentinel have had more clicks on these stories than they do for most of their other crap. The Sentinel are a disgrace. Sky have cranked it up again today, happily declaring nearly 90% of certain fuel brands are dry at the pumps. Scumbags the lot of them. They want shafting they really do, as an example my daughters just canceled her hair appointment due to lack of fuel or scared to drive miles looking for fuel, not her fault but if affects the young hairdresser who's self employed but still has to pay to rent the seat and herself earn a living probably driving around looking for fuel herself. Absolutely no need for it, I noticed this morning SKY were interviewing Khan, turned it off as you knew exactly what they were trying to insinuate, tossers the lot of them.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 27, 2021 14:05:36 GMT
Not the main factor though. If the papers hadn’t fed the story and due to the selfish actions of few there wouldn’t be a problem. We live in a selfish individual-centred society so it's not really surprising that an "I'm alright, Jack" approach to this crisis has manifested. Not saying it's right, just that it's not surprising. Blaming the media is just a convenient scapegoat. No-one thinks the media has any impact on them when it comes to voting intentions, why should it suddenly be so influential now? There’s a difference between politics and news though surely. I guess it’s what people are interested in. I’m no expert on politics but I like to think I know a bit about people and morals which i think is the bigger issue here. The problem is that some people think any news or issue has to be linked to politics or the fault of what ever party they don’t support.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 27, 2021 14:15:40 GMT
Don't know, perhaps it took this long for the driver shortages to start to have an impact. There weren't any food/supplies shortages in the shops for a while after Brexit officially started on 1 Jan this year either, so maybe there are lag periods where these things work through? Not saying it's the be all and end all, but it's certainly not helped in the fact that inevitably foreign lorry drivers left and haven't returned. There aren't any fuel queues on the continent currently, although you're right in that people panic buying doesn't help. Lengthy queues outside my local garage just now. Supply chains are like walls and drivers are like bricks. You can take bricks out of a wall and it will stay upright - but don't ever think that by doing so it remains solid - because unless you put those bricks back sooner or later you'll either take one too many bricks out or it will be required to bear a weight it's no longer strong enough to cope with.
For a variety of reasons we've been taking bricks out of our supply chain wall for too long and not put enough back. Brexit took some more out but the pandemic reduced the weight it had to bear. Now the weights come back and the bricks haven't.Is Brexit the only cause - 100% No. Would we be having these problems if we were still in the EU - not to the same degree we wuldn't.. Being in the EU didn't mean everything was running smoothly - it wasn't - leaving without contingency however gave the already fragile wall a final push. Very good analogy SB. Pretty much the top and bottom of it.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 27, 2021 14:19:25 GMT
We live in a selfish individual-centred society so it's not really surprising that an "I'm alright, Jack" approach to this crisis has manifested. Not saying it's right, just that it's not surprising. Blaming the media is just a convenient scapegoat. No-one thinks the media has any impact on them when it comes to voting intentions, why should it suddenly be so influential now? There’s a difference between politics and news though surely. I guess it’s what people are interested in. I’m no expert on politics but I like to think I know a bit about people and morals which i think is the bigger issue here. The problem is that some people think any news or issue has to be linked to politics or the fault of what ever party they don’t support. There's obviously a link between politics and news here though, wouldn't you agree? It's about the management of this crisis by the government, irrespective of whether they caused it or not and the behaviour of people making it worse, they have to deal with it. Personally, I think many of the characters in government right now, including the PM, were instrumental in pushing Brexit (not even for ideological reasons - purely personal career opportunism) and therefore should be held accountable for issues such as these which are exacerbated by Brexit in the form of driver shortages, and for which they clearly had no coherent strategy. Let's be honest, we know they didn't have one from June 24 2016!
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Post by questionable on Sept 27, 2021 14:54:58 GMT
We live in a selfish individual-centred society so it's not really surprising that an "I'm alright, Jack" approach to this crisis has manifested. Not saying it's right, just that it's not surprising. Blaming the media is just a convenient scapegoat. No-one thinks the media has any impact on them when it comes to voting intentions, why should it suddenly be so influential now? There’s a difference between politics and news though surely. I guess it’s what people are interested in. I’m no expert on politics but I like to think I know a bit about people and morals which i think is the bigger issue here. The problem is that some people think any news or issue has to be linked to politics or the fault of what ever party they don’t support. The last few days have really opened my eyes to the scummy mainstream news outlets, yes we need to know what’s truly going on but we don’t do we, unless you look hard enough that is as 99% of the news is force fed on the gullible and lapped up. Take for example the situation in Australia where there’s hell up, can’t recall seeing it on SKY/BBC but SKY Australia is a whole different ball game believe me, the bloke next door sent me a link from a private journalist unedited stuff and what the hell is the nut job Australian president thinking. For me the real enemy are the biased news corporations.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 27, 2021 15:20:05 GMT
There’s a difference between politics and news though surely. I guess it’s what people are interested in. I’m no expert on politics but I like to think I know a bit about people and morals which i think is the bigger issue here. The problem is that some people think any news or issue has to be linked to politics or the fault of what ever party they don’t support. There's obviously a link between politics and news here though, wouldn't you agree? It's about the management of this crisis by the government, irrespective of whether they caused it or not and the behaviour of people making it worse, they have to deal with it. Personally, I think many of the characters in government right now, including the PM, were instrumental in pushing Brexit (not even for ideological reasons - purely personal career opportunism) and therefore should be held accountable for issues such as these which are exacerbated by Brexit in the form of driver shortages, and for which they clearly had no coherent strategy. Let's be honest, we know they didn't have one from June 24 2016! I guess a lot depends on how passionate people are about their politics . I put my hands up and say i’m not really interested in politics and don’t feel passionate enough to blame the government for literally everything because I guess i’ve got used to their being no decent alternative so feeling what’s the change when the change won’t be any better and likely worse. When you have posters who despise the government so much you switch off re what they have to say as their views are so blinkered when they make decent points they almost pass unnoticed because of what’s gone before. What I do want is to be able to have an opinion whatever party it may fall under. Im no fan of the Tories and have voted for both parties. I think this is the case for most people. Though i’m no fan I certainly don’t think they’re to blame for everything. I genuinly don’t think many people are obsessed about politics. What I don’t think though most of us like however is being told they’re wrong and not being able to have their own opinion which appears to be a trait of the anti government crew.
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 27, 2021 15:42:27 GMT
Don't know, perhaps it took this long for the driver shortages to start to have an impact. There weren't any food/supplies shortages in the shops for a while after Brexit officially started on 1 Jan this year either, so maybe there are lag periods where these things work through? Not saying it's the be all and end all, but it's certainly not helped in the fact that inevitably foreign lorry drivers left and haven't returned. There aren't any fuel queues on the continent currently, although you're right in that people panic buying doesn't help. Lengthy queues outside my local garage just now. Supply chains are like walls and drivers are like bricks. You can take bricks out of a wall and it will stay upright - but don't ever think that by doing so it remains solid - because unless you put those bricks back sooner or later you'll either take one too many bricks out or it will be required to bear a weight it's noonger strong enough to cope with. For a variety of reasons we've been taking bricks out of our supply chain wall for too long and not put enough back. Brexit took some more out but the pandemic reduced the weight it had to bear. Now the weights come back snd the bricks haven't. Is Brexit the only cause - 100% No. Would we be having these problems if we were still in the EU - not to the same degree we wuldn't.. Being in the EU didn't mean everything was running smoothly - it wasn't - leaving without contingency however gave the already fragile wall a final push. Wasn't the primary reason the government removing the limited company tax fiddle . I know someone who earned over 50 k driving and registered as a LTD co and payed next to no tax
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Post by samba :) on Sept 27, 2021 15:42:48 GMT
Getting self conscious now when people moan about panic buyers,
I read the news and saw this coming, I get through a full tank in about 10 daysI knew I wouldn’t be able to get petrol this week because of what was obvs going to happen so I filled right up as it was just starting. Does that make me a panic buyer?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 27, 2021 16:12:12 GMT
Getting self conscious now when people moan about panic buyers, I read the news and saw this coming, I get through a full tank in about 10 daysI knew I wouldn’t be able to get petrol this week because of what was obvs going to happen so I filled right up as it was just starting. Does that make me a panic buyer? Nope because i did the same. I was down to a quarter tank and filled up on Saturday morning. Should be ok for a couple of weeks now providing i don’t do unnecessary trips. Hopefully by then things will have improved.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 27, 2021 16:16:00 GMT
OK I know I am going to get shot down for this post, but here goes: The UK consumption of fuel is circa 1 billion litres per week. There are circa 32 million vehicles and assuming ignoring large consumers like lorries and zero consumers like electric cars and vintage cars hardly use any, I guessing the average consumption is a generous 2,000 litres per year. Assuming an average useable capacity of 50 litres per vehicle (people don't run down to empty often) then if everyone tops up their tank that makes an extra 1,600 million litres "consumed" by panic buying, or 1.6 weeks consumption. So what is the spare capacity in the fuel distribution network? Does anyone know? Obviously BP don't have any spare tanker capacity because they started this problem by failing to keep all their stations fed. Assuming their is 10% spare capacity in the fuel distribution network it would mean the an extra 0.1 billion litres would be distributed and it would take 16 weeks to "replace" the extra fuel everyone has in the vehicles and get back to normal. Hence government have only offered work visas for 3 months Fire away .
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Post by iancransonsknees on Sept 27, 2021 16:18:03 GMT
Not the main factor though. If the papers hadn’t fed the story and due to the selfish actions of few there wouldn’t be a problem. We live in a selfish individual-centred society so it's not really surprising that an "I'm alright, Jack" approach to this crisis has manifested. Not saying it's right, just that it's not surprising. Blaming the media is just a convenient scapegoat. No-one thinks the media has any impact on them when it comes to voting intentions, why should it suddenly be so influential now? This forever and a day. The usual bleeding hearts over social media when Covid began were all hoping that everybody would come out of it treating each other better, thinking about each other and generally having respect. Clearly they've never dealt with the general public on a regular basis. Generally society is made up of a bunch of selfish cunts right across the social and ethnic strata. It's getting worse and the younger generations are no better. Fuck em.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Sept 27, 2021 16:34:42 GMT
Supply chains are like walls and drivers are like bricks. You can take bricks out of a wall and it will stay upright - but don't ever think that by doing so it remains solid - because unless you put those bricks back sooner or later you'll either take one too many bricks out or it will be required to bear a weight it's noonger strong enough to cope with. For a variety of reasons we've been taking bricks out of our supply chain wall for too long and not put enough back. Brexit took some more out but the pandemic reduced the weight it had to bear. Now the weights come back snd the bricks haven't. Is Brexit the only cause - 100% No. Would we be having these problems if we were still in the EU - not to the same degree we wuldn't.. Being in the EU didn't mean everything was running smoothly - it wasn't - leaving without contingency however gave the already fragile wall a final push. Wasn't the primary reason the government removing the limited company tax fiddle . I know someone who earned over 50 k driving and registered as a LTD co and payed next to no tax I'm two years out of logistics now and I wasn't whole of market (mainly retail) but based on my experience I would say 'no' - it was peripheral. However if it was the prime reason then that's at the Govts door - because it was pretty dumbfuck timing and done more damage than the immediate tax take will have been worth.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2021 19:48:17 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 27, 2021 20:52:18 GMT
Fuel demand should return to normal in coming days, say suppliersThought this quote from the above BBC article looking to try and calm things down is interesting… This seems reasonable to me. The media behaves exactly as you would expect as did a significant part of the general public. In other words someone leaked a document knowing it would cause the shambles we’ve seen over the past few days. That person is responsible for the current shit storm.. But who is it?
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Post by 3putts on Sept 27, 2021 21:16:50 GMT
it was the same in 2000 panic buying caused a shortage to be worse.i would have stewards at the pumps if you have over half a tank then you cant fill up 8500 filling stations - 3 at each station 2 shifts. Where are you going to get 50,000 stewards from? Poland? Utilise the staff that they already have,let’s face it there’s bugger all on the shelves so they might as well do somat
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Sept 27, 2021 21:19:27 GMT
8500 filling stations - 3 at each station 2 shifts. Where are you going to get 50,000 stewards from? Poland? Utilise the staff that they already have,let’s face it there’s bugger all on the shelves so they might as well do somat The one I queued at today in order to fill my jerry cans and water bottles at had ONE member of staff run off ber tits behind the till. Not sure how she's supposed to supervise 3 lanes of pumps as well.
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Post by questionable on Sept 27, 2021 21:39:53 GMT
Another lovely scaremongering article:
Queues have stretched for miles outside some petrol stations as people wait for hours to fill up their tanks. Some drivers have slept in their cars as they waited, while others have tried to jump the queue by following fuel tankers into station forecourts.
No wonder there’s queuing tossers fast asleep in their cars blocking the roads 😡😡😡
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 28, 2021 6:43:46 GMT
Another lovely scaremongering article: Queues have stretched for miles outside some petrol stations as people wait for hours to fill up their tanks. Some drivers have slept in their cars as they waited, while others have tried to jump the queue by following fuel tankers into station forecourts. No wonder there’s queuing tossers fast asleep in their cars blocking the roads 😡😡😡 I couldn't sleep last night so decided to do a quick circle of the 5 24h stations within 4 or 5 miles just after midnight the one open was backed up in every direction and cars moving as quick as they do off the stoke car park after the final whistle, the one at the supermarket had a queue of 15 cars even though it was shut till 6am soft twats.....
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Post by questionable on Sept 28, 2021 6:51:11 GMT
BBC reporting this morning that schools could have to close and return to remote learning due to the fuel so called shortages.
Or the parents could possibly walk their kids to schools instead of thinking it’s their right blocking every pavement directly outside the schools.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 28, 2021 7:12:50 GMT
BBC reporting this morning that schools could have to close and return to remote learning due to the fuel so called shortages. Or the parents could possibly walk their kids to schools instead of thinking it’s their right blocking every pavement directly outside the schools. You’re so so right it’s so lazy when you see parents driving half a mile to drop the kids off in there pyjamas. It’ll be interesting to see how those working from home are dealing with the shortage too whether they’re sacrificing their need for non urgent petrol whilst emergency workers are queuing for petrol to just get into work and again to fill up their work vehicles. With this and covid it’s shown what an entitled society we are. We seem to have lost the ability to think of others more needy than ourselves.
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 28, 2021 7:13:42 GMT
I couldn't sleep last night so decided to do a quick circle of the 5 24h stations within 4 or 5 miles just after midnight the one open was backed up in every direction and cars moving as quick as they do off the stoke car park after the final whistle, the one at the supermarket had a queue of 15 cars even though it was shut till 6am soft twats..... 15 nurses? 😉 Perhaps 2 nurses and 13 soft twats. Although I am partial to a soft twat... Oh I am sure there would have been a couple on red or in desperate need the rest are just acting like mad max.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 28, 2021 7:24:24 GMT
BBC reporting this morning that schools could have to close and return to remote learning due to the fuel so called shortages. Or the parents could possibly walk their kids to schools instead of thinking it’s their right blocking every pavement directly outside the schools. thats the kids sorted what about the teachers though
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 28, 2021 7:36:22 GMT
I don't think that's unreasonable, they've been arguing amongst themselves for months over how to solve the shortages of drivers. First it was relax the hours, then it was increase testing, finally it's let the foreigners back in....it's been a bit of a mess of a response to a crisis. Where have we seen that before? Not the main factor though. If the papers hadn’t fed the story and due to the selfish actions of few there wouldn’t be a problem. They new about this problem six months ago. Of course it's their fault.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 28, 2021 7:36:32 GMT
BBC reporting this morning that schools could have to close and return to remote learning due to the fuel so called shortages. Or the parents could possibly walk their kids to schools instead of thinking it’s their right blocking every pavement directly outside the schools. thats the kids sorted what about the teachers though Perhaps if the kids weren’t driven and walked their might be more fuel for the teachers
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