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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 13:28:22 GMT
I think most supporters could end up throwing beer all over the place. With a beer in the hand and a Stoke goal most of us would jump up from our seats and in the prosess drench the people around us in beer. When going to a match I don't want to be drenched in beer, I just want to see the team I support play football!  Jesus So a hot cup of tea/bovril is not the same then Yet to seethe ridiculous new trend of folk throwing Bovril in the air when a team scores. Personally can live without a pint during the game. Why some need to stay in the pub until last minute beats but their choice. |
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Post by werrington on Sept 24, 2021 13:30:46 GMT
Jesus So a hot cup of tea/bovril is not the same then Yet to seethe ridiculous new trend of folk throwing Bovril in the air when a team scores. Personally can live without a pint during the game. Why some need to stay in the pub until last minute beats but their choice. I never drink at the stadium either but some people enjoy it so who are we to judge |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Sept 24, 2021 13:36:27 GMT
I think most supporters could end up throwing beer all over the place. With a beer in the hand and a Stoke goal most of us would jump up from our seats and in the prosess drench the people around us in beer. When going to a match I don't want to be drenched in beer, I just want to see the team I support play football! Jesus So a hot cup of tea/bovril is not the same then I think the problem is mate people are equating this idea with the numpties we get at away games who think it's ok to drench themselves and everyone else with watered down piss. It might not happen at home in the stands for a number of reasons but the only way of finding out is to give it a whirl. If they run a trial period and get no complaints then happy days if the numpties can't behave then tough shit back to the scrums in the concourse at half time. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 24, 2021 13:37:39 GMT
They’re not but there’s plenty as we’ve seen enough times at the Euros, on concourses up and down the land and in pubs. It’s almost become a thing to see who can do the biggest beer shower when England. It’s fucking weird. If I had faith that people sit there and act normal then I’d be good with it but I just don’t think it’d happen. So everybody should suffer for what is in essence a handful? Should we stop or ban everything in life because of a handful then? I don't think it's a handful. I don't think it's everyone. It works fine now and doesn't need to change. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 13:39:23 GMT
Yet to seethe ridiculous new trend of folk throwing Bovril in the air when a team scores. Personally can live without a pint during the game. Why some need to stay in the pub until last minute beats but their choice. I never drink at the stadium either but some people enjoy it so who are we to judge For sure. Have a drink before game if in time. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 24, 2021 13:40:47 GMT
Most other sports haven't got a history of hooliganism amongst its supporters. Terrible idea. Some of the worse drunken behaviour I've seen has been at Horse Racing (rarely reported - I wonder why), Cricket and Boxing yet there's no talk of banning alcohol there. It's just another negative stereotype aimed at football fans. I really don't care about horse racing or boxing, but I don't want drinking to be allowed in the stands at football games.  |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Sept 24, 2021 13:48:40 GMT
Taking this one step further are they talking about away supporters as well?
Which if they are then sitting in the stands at away games will be as unpleasant as trying to get a drink in the concourse currently is.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 14:05:25 GMT
Great news. We're not all morons that can't behave.
Bring it on.
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Post by dirtclod on Sept 24, 2021 14:14:43 GMT
For years I've drank beer in the stands at professional baseball games here in the US and never had a beer thrown on me.
It works here, but we don't have a culture of throwing the shit.
Throw a beer at the people I go to games with - you'll be eating through a straw for 6 months.
What started all this beer throwing?
OH, it's the old "Mr. Inbetween" phenomena - People act like assholes because they're ALLOWED to.
It's really a form of assault when you think about it...just an idea.
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 24, 2021 14:22:40 GMT
For years I've drank beer in the stands at professional baseball games here in the US and never had a beer thrown on me. It works here, but we don't have a culture of throwing the shit. Throw a beer at the people I go to games with - you'll be eating through a straw for 6 months. What started all this beer throwing? OH, it's the old "Mr. Inbetween" phenomena - People act like assholes because they're ALLOWED to. It's really a form of assault when you think about it...just an idea. Tbf though baseball is boring as shit and the fans are obviously drinking just to try and make the time go faster |
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 24, 2021 14:24:23 GMT
I suppose one way round it is to insist everyone under 25 decants the 'beer' into a Tommee Tippee cup. Bibs could also be provided and a nanny to stop them being naughty and throwing their drink around. Disagree with that, punishing younger folk for being young. The first timer you're caught spilling beer, then you have to use a nice pink tommee tippee and a bib. |
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Post by dirtclod on Sept 24, 2021 14:32:43 GMT
For years I've drank beer in the stands at professional baseball games here in the US and never had a beer thrown on me. It works here, but we don't have a culture of throwing the shit. Throw a beer at the people I go to games with - you'll be eating through a straw for 6 months. What started all this beer throwing? OH, it's the old "Mr. Inbetween" phenomena - People act like assholes because they're ALLOWED to. It's really a form of assault when you think about it...just an idea. Tbf though baseball is boring as shit and the fans are obviously drinking just to try and make the time go faster I almost said this in my post mtrstudent! You have that part right! It's a great game to play, but terrible to sit and watch. You need whiskey, wine, beer & gin at some games just to get through it. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 14:34:27 GMT
No need to stop it because it hasn’t started. Nobody drinks in the stands now and it’s fine. They do at every other sport It’s discriminatory It’s not really discriminatory now is it. I don’t see the level of violence at other sports as has been experienced in football. Especially for away game, you can almost guarantee that some people will drink on a train for a couple of hours, maybe rock up at a pub before, go to the game, drink before start, go back a couple of times bringing a beer or two to the seat. Alcohol and violence is a common theme in England and it only takes one ass to ruin the game for everyone around them. |
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Post by werrington on Sept 24, 2021 14:40:14 GMT
They do at every other sport It’s discriminatory It’s not really discriminatory now is it. I don’t see the level of violence at other sports as has been experienced in football. Especially for away game, you can almost guarantee that some people will drink on a train for a couple of hours, maybe rock up at a pub before, go to the game, drink before start, go back a couple of times bringing a beer or two to the seat. Alcohol and violence is a common theme in England and it only takes one ass to ruin the game for everyone around them. So every sport has it but football doesn’t and you say it’s not discriminatory….how does that work then? Why should the bloke who behaves be punished for those who don’t? As in any form of life there’s those that behave and those that don’t |
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Post by Scouse on Sept 24, 2021 14:43:49 GMT
Headline grabbing by the Times and indeed the review , when there’s far more important fan / football / legislation / club and government engagement issues ..it's early days but honestly doesn’t bare well for the review if this is the type of focus areas being concentrated on
My understanding that it’s introduction was due to serious crowd control , policing and stewarding related issues ..as opposed to yobbish chucking
Historically on arrest or being thrown out at football I understand one of the standard questions was ‘have you been drinking’ .. invariably the answer was yes ..including under age being a specific issue at Stoke .. the question didn’t define the level of intoxication, merely the accused had by their own admission been drinking .. by default many crowd issues were therefore assigned as being given a drink related tag
Further , in the grim days of FV the topping up effect , particularly in the 2nd half was attributed to issues both in and outside the ground and on public transport ..as there was no 45 minute sobering up window prior to the end of the game .. basically some remained fuelled up
The chucking of the odd pint , either in celebration or battle did occur at the Vic ..though celebratory was rare and as general yobbishness rarer still .. the phenomenon of beer chucking , especially on mass is relatively new , the question is will the old historical reasons together with new phenomenon of chucking be addressed and and if so how
Personally think due to the historical reasons of introduction , the modern inconvenience of people up & down in seated areas together with beer chucking are all reasons why it’s a bad idea to reintroduce
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Post by werrington on Sept 24, 2021 14:46:57 GMT
More of this I say
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 14:56:09 GMT
It’s not really discriminatory now is it. I don’t see the level of violence at other sports as has been experienced in football. Especially for away game, you can almost guarantee that some people will drink on a train for a couple of hours, maybe rock up at a pub before, go to the game, drink before start, go back a couple of times bringing a beer or two to the seat. Alcohol and violence is a common theme in England and it only takes one ass to ruin the game for everyone around them. So every sport has it but football doesn’t and you say it’s not discriminatory….how does that work then? Why should the bloke who behaves be punished for those who don’t? As in any form of life there’s those that behave and those that don’t You can argue that there has been violence in others sports venues, but none have matched what used to happen in England on a frequent basis. So there is reasonable precedence based on that to attempt to limit alcohol consumption. Football generally has more fans attending games than other sports = more room for problems just on a law of averages. Each ground would have to allow for it most likely, which would probably mean more cost for security/police. A lot of other sports also allow admixture of fans as well, doesn’t mean that it’s a good idea for football. At present, is your match day experience ruined because for 90 minutes, you can’t drink at a seat? And if so, why? The argument about it being unfair to create laws that punish everyone, to me, falls on death ears. That’s what laws do. Plenty of people can handle guns responsibly, doesn’t mean the U.K. should turn into the US. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 15:02:41 GMT
Let's see what the people who defend this decision have to say when they're standing in front of a load of lads drinking pints, and then Stoke score.
I don't want my expensive clothes drenching in ale, which is exactly what will happen at every away game if you happen to be stuck around people drinking.
Completely unnecessary change in my opinion, and will cause some serious shit in the stands at away matches.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Sept 24, 2021 15:14:44 GMT
Im not against drinking in the stands as ive been to other sports and events and drank with minimal issues.
The problem with footie is 2 things;
1. Spontaneous reactions resulting potential drenching, which could cause fans confronting or fighting. This then escalates to bigger police/stewards presence adding to cost to the club.
2. Some folk just cant handle their drink and fall into 2 categories - sleeping drunk or confrontational hard man.
As mentioned if you cant go without a beer for two 45 halves then you have a serious problem.
I personally prefer not to drink at the ground to have a break after drinking beforehand in town.
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Post by stroller on Sept 24, 2021 15:25:02 GMT
You can't take part in a goal celebration mental and hold a full pint at the same time. People will get wet. I could fall down a flight of stairs and break both my arms and never spill a drop from a full pint. I just thought it was an inbuilt ‘man’ thing. Just like throwing beer around is a pre pubescent teenager thing. And you can also laugh with a mouthful of gravy. Maybe your mentals aren't rigorous enough. Seriously, at most away matches I'm usually surrounded by "pre pubescent teenagers" who all come back wet after half time, and soaking wet when when we are winning. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 15:27:27 GMT
Some of the comments on here are hilarious. There really are some narrow minded people in life.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 15:28:25 GMT
I bet that was a piece of cake to sneak in. |
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Post by Scouse on Sept 24, 2021 15:36:54 GMT
I bet that was a piece of cake to sneak in. Has he got no self respect ..chocolate , lemon drizzle or carrot cake surely should be order of the day down there ..& where the hell are the plates & serviettes |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 15:39:33 GMT
I bet that was a piece of cake to sneak in. Has he got no self respect ..chocolate , lemon drizzle or carrot cake surely should be order of the day down there ..& where the hell are the plates & serviettes I've seen many people at the England games at Wembley tucking into a big bucket of popcorn. The fucking state of it. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 15:41:46 GMT
To be fair, that's ace. Bit disappointed he hasn't got a bowl of whipped creme fraiche going on the side, but a good start. Puts my Chicken, Parma Ham and Avocado wraps to shame though... |
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Post by nott1 on Sept 24, 2021 16:03:22 GMT
It works in other countries. Sadly don't see it working here. The few matches I've been abroad they've served alcohol free. Tell us more and perhaps the dickheads will all piss off there! |
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Post by nott1 on Sept 24, 2021 16:06:00 GMT
I feel like the loutish football fan behaviour we saw around the Euros is something of a self fulfilling prophecy. Some fans behave like dicks because they believe that’s the done thing at football given the constant media narrative vilifying football fans. 90% of them are impressionable young blokes, not bad people. We need to break that cycle. Treating fans with trust and respect rather than like criminals or naughty children may be exactly what we need. A noble idea but too many are just not capable of civilised behaviour, especially after sinking a half of their favourite cider shandy! |
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Post by christhepotter on Sept 24, 2021 16:12:43 GMT
So you punish all the sensible one as well then 🤦♂️🙄 Not exactly a punishment is it, going 45 minutes without a beer. Been deprived of a chance to do anything because of others is a punishment , why shouldn’t I enjoy a pint while watching the footie , won’t be hurting anyone |
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Post by yyy on Sept 24, 2021 16:14:44 GMT
It's asking for trouble if you're allowing it where fans of both clubs are next to each other, once one go's across its game on 😆
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 24, 2021 16:16:04 GMT
The few matches I've been abroad they've served alcohol free. Tell us more and perhaps the dickheads will all piss off there! I presumed he meant low alcohol (free) beer rather than here's a can of stella / strongbow on the house  They did it at the sydney test I went 15 years ago or whatever as the aussies couldn't handle their drinks, tried a low alcohol beer and a 0.5% smirnoff ice then just kept the money in my pocket till after play when I could a normal beer flavoured water in the pub. |
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