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Post by nonameface on Sept 25, 2021 20:16:13 GMT
He did 3 things today that if Bursik or Gunn had done there would be a thread on here. 1) a dodgy kick that led to a chance for Hull 2) a flap at a cross that fell to a Hull player in the box 3) Mis communication with a defender. When Souttar expected him to come and he didn’t. He was ok and did make a good save but he isn’t judged the same at all. It was one of his poorer games, but then it was for the rest of the team. Its a little bit concerning how we've played against Derby and Hull.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 25, 2021 20:18:32 GMT
He did 3 things today that if Bursik or Gunn had done there would be a thread on here. 1) a dodgy kick that led to a chance for Hull 2) a flap at a cross that fell to a Hull player in the box 3) Mis communication with a defender. When Souttar expected him to come and he didn’t. He was ok and did make a good save but he isn’t judged the same at all. It was one of his poorer games, but then it was for the rest of the team. Its a little bit concerning how we've played against Derby and Hull. We were dogshit today. I’m shocked to see the player ratings thread and any positive comment tbh 😂 Great goals but that today was bad. Complete opposite of the Barnsley game which was so much fun.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2021 22:08:31 GMT
It was one of his poorer games, but then it was for the rest of the team. Its a little bit concerning how we've played against Derby and Hull. We were dogshit today. I’m shocked to see the player ratings thread and any positive comment tbh 😂 Great goals but that today was bad. Complete opposite of the Barnsley game which was so much fun. Maybe you feel differently, but I think that Bursik and Davies are at a pretty similar level right now. Both have flaws in the game, but for me, Davies is the better shot stopper, which is just a more obvious benefit to the team. Personally as someone watching abroad, it’s also an easier thing to judge him on as I don’t get the full pitch perspective, only what the camera shows. I like Davies a lot. I think he’s an average keeper, but a good stopper.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 25, 2021 22:12:49 GMT
We were dogshit today. I’m shocked to see the player ratings thread and any positive comment tbh 😂 Great goals but that today was bad. Complete opposite of the Barnsley game which was so much fun. Maybe you feel differently, but I think that Bursik and Davies are at a pretty similar level right now. Both have flaws in the game, but for me, Davies is the better shot stopper, which is just a more obvious benefit to the team. Personally as someone watching abroad, it’s also an easier thing to judge him on as I don’t get the full pitch perspective, only what the camera shows. I like Davies a lot. I think he’s an average keeper, but a good stopper. I think that’s fair. Davies is a better shot stopper. Bursik imo is better at commanding his area and kicking. And I’d back the one I want at the club for the next 3 years and that’s Bursik. If Bursik plays like Davies did today there’s people wanting him dropped for sure.
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Post by sportsman on Sept 25, 2021 22:16:52 GMT
Maybe you feel differently, but I think that Bursik and Davies are at a pretty similar level right now. Both have flaws in the game, but for me, Davies is the better shot stopper, which is just a more obvious benefit to the team. Personally as someone watching abroad, it’s also an easier thing to judge him on as I don’t get the full pitch perspective, only what the camera shows. I like Davies a lot. I think he’s an average keeper, but a good stopper. I think that’s fair. Davies is a better shot stopper. Bursik imo is better at commanding his area and kicking. And I’d back the one I want at the club for the next 3 years and that’s Bursik. If Bursik plays like Davies did today there’s people wanting him dropped for sure. What did Davies do wrong today? Never looked liked conceding, always got a good distance kick on him, allround confidence.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2021 22:17:10 GMT
Maybe you feel differently, but I think that Bursik and Davies are at a pretty similar level right now. Both have flaws in the game, but for me, Davies is the better shot stopper, which is just a more obvious benefit to the team. Personally as someone watching abroad, it’s also an easier thing to judge him on as I don’t get the full pitch perspective, only what the camera shows. I like Davies a lot. I think he’s an average keeper, but a good stopper. I think that’s fair. Davies is a better shot stopper. Bursik imo is better at commanding his area and kicking. And I’d back the one I want at the club for the next 3 years and that’s Bursik. If Bursik plays like Davies did today there’s people wanting him dropped for sure. I like Bursik a lot. I think he has HUGE potential. I was non-fussed about the choice of keeper today. Bursik has had a decent season, but Davies was only dropped because of injury. Inevitably, I feel that having a keeper close to Bursik’s level will make him a far better keeper. It forces him to see where Davies is better and develop those skills while naturally improving the benefits he already has. I’m excited for Bursik’s development, but I think it’s like Sorenson be Begovic (to a much lesser standard) in some ways.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 25, 2021 22:17:49 GMT
I think that’s fair. Davies is a better shot stopper. Bursik imo is better at commanding his area and kicking. And I’d back the one I want at the club for the next 3 years and that’s Bursik. If Bursik plays like Davies did today there’s people wanting him dropped for sure. What did Davies do wrong today? Never looked liked conceding, always got a good distance kick on him, allround confidence. He literally kicked one to their players and it led to a chance for Hull 😂😂
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Post by boltonstokie on Sept 25, 2021 22:21:16 GMT
What did Davies do wrong today? Never looked liked conceding, always got a good distance kick on him, allround confidence. He literally kicked one to their players and it led to a chance for Hull 😂😂 Utter nonsense. You’ve even got other people asking what Davies did wrong today. Whereas everyone knows what Bursik did wrong to get dropped! Don’t even get me onto Bursik’s kicking…
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Post by sportsman on Sept 25, 2021 22:21:21 GMT
What did Davies do wrong today? Never looked liked conceding, always got a good distance kick on him, allround confidence. He literally kicked one to their players and it led to a chance for Hull 😂😂 Wow they had a chance did they? Must of blinked. He just fills me more with confidence at the moment. I get the feeling you didn't watch the game today but sat eyes fixed on Davies watch 😁
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 25, 2021 22:23:52 GMT
He literally kicked one to their players and it led to a chance for Hull 😂😂 Wow they had a chance did they? Must of blinked. He just fills me more with confidence at the moment. I get the feeling you didn't watch the game today but sat eyes fixed on Davies watch 😁 This is what I mean. You’re not judging them to the same level. They had another one where Davies flapped at a cross and it fell to their player. Both happened. Bursik does it and you want him dropped.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 25, 2021 22:27:11 GMT
He literally kicked one to their players and it led to a chance for Hull 😂😂 Utter nonsense. You’ve even got other people asking what Davies did wrong today. Whereas everyone knows what Bursik did wrong to get dropped! Don’t even get me onto Bursik’s kicking… It happened, it’s not nonsense is it. And that’s not mentioning the flapped cross that fell to their player and he should have probably have scored. Other goalkeepers are held to higher standards compared to Davies.
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Post by sportsman on Sept 25, 2021 22:31:04 GMT
If it leads to conceding goals then yes. You can't keep conceding goals and coming in no man's land for a cross at Derby and losing a game without consequences and the other keeper earning his chance.
If Davies concedes and costs in the next game I'd be the first, well maybe second 😁, to say Bursik can go back in.
I don't want to keep chopping and changing, but when you have two decent keepers, for me it's the one position you want them fully focused and on top of their game.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 25, 2021 22:32:09 GMT
No. If it leads to conceding goals then yes. You can't keep conceding goals and coming in no man's land for a cross at Derby and losing a game without consequences and the other keeper earning his chance. If Davies concedes and costs in the next game I'd be the first, well maybe second 😁, to say Bursik can go back in. I don't want to keep chopping and changing, but when you have two decent keepers, for me it's the one position you want them fully focused and on top of their game. Keep? It happened once 😂 Bursik has not played as badly as Davies did today at home.
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Post by sportsman on Sept 25, 2021 22:36:22 GMT
No. If it leads to conceding goals then yes. You can't keep conceding goals and coming in no man's land for a cross at Derby and losing a game without consequences and the other keeper earning his chance. If Davies concedes and costs in the next game I'd be the first, well maybe second 😁, to say Bursik can go back in. I don't want to keep chopping and changing, but when you have two decent keepers, for me it's the one position you want them fully focused and on top of their game. Keep? It happened once 😂 Bursik has not played as badly as Davies did today at home. He came in no man's land man and cost what turned out to me the winner for Derby. When Davies starts letting 2 a game in, in different games then it will be his turn to be judged If Bursik had gone on walkabouts and got away with it then we may not be having the conversation. When it goes in it matters
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 25, 2021 22:41:06 GMT
Keep? It happened once 😂 Bursik has not played as badly as Davies did today at home. He came in no man's land man and cost what turned out to me the winner for Derby. When Davies starts letting 2 a game in, in different games then it will be his turn to be judged If Bursik had gone on walkabouts and got away with it then we may not be having the conversation. When it goes in it matters Yes it happened once that’s it not “keeping on happening” is it 😂😂🤦♂️ It shouldn’t be about getting away with it. The two from Davies today were poor. We were lucky. That matters. Acknowledging it was bad goalkeeping too would be nice to see. But as I’ve said the standards for the two aren’t the same. One is judged to far higher standards than the other.
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Post by boltonstokie on Sept 25, 2021 22:42:00 GMT
No. If it leads to conceding goals then yes. You can't keep conceding goals and coming in no man's land for a cross at Derby and losing a game without consequences and the other keeper earning his chance. If Davies concedes and costs in the next game I'd be the first, well maybe second 😁, to say Bursik can go back in. I don't want to keep chopping and changing, but when you have two decent keepers, for me it's the one position you want them fully focused and on top of their game. Keep? It happened once 😂 Bursik has not played as badly as Davies did today at home. I think you’re watching a different game to everyone else. No one has mentioned anything about Davies playing badly today. Bursik has been dodgy for weeks. You’re entitled to your opinion but the fact is Davies is currently the better keeper and the important thing is that the management agree.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 25, 2021 22:47:28 GMT
Keep? It happened once 😂 Bursik has not played as badly as Davies did today at home. I think you’re watching a different game to everyone else. No one has mentioned anything about Davies playing badly today. Bursik has been dodgy for weeks. You’re entitled to your opinion but the fact is Davies is currently the better keeper and the important thing is that the management agree. No they haven’t and that’s my point. He did 3 things today that if Bursik did, there’d be an army of you wanting him dropped. That’s my point!! He had a bad game and that’s it.
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Post by sportsman on Sept 25, 2021 22:48:06 GMT
He came in no man's land man and cost what turned out to me the winner for Derby. When Davies starts letting 2 a game in, in different games then it will be his turn to be judged If Bursik had gone on walkabouts and got away with it then we may not be having the conversation. When it goes in it matters Yes it happened once that’s it not “keeping on happening” is it 😂😂🤦♂️ It shouldn’t be about getting away with it. The two from Davies today were poor. We were lucky. That matters. Acknowledging it was bad goalkeeping too would be nice to see. But as I’ve said the standards for the two aren’t the same. One is judged to far higher standards than the other. You are one on here who can definately look at the last bit you've just said and point it right back at yourself. You always have your favourites and blinkered to anything else. You keep going on about Bursiks ONE mistake, but it isn't just that. He hasn't filled me with the same confidence as what Davies does, at the moment. Add that to his no man's land walkabout at Derby and it led to Davies getting the nod. I'm not the only one who feels this, many on here, and the manager obviously felt the same. If that makes Bursik work harder and more determined to be ready to get his place back then its worked.
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Post by sportsman on Sept 25, 2021 22:49:12 GMT
I think you’re watching a different game to everyone else. No one has mentioned anything about Davies playing badly today. Bursik has been dodgy for weeks. You’re entitled to your opinion but the fact is Davies is currently the better keeper and the important thing is that the management agree. No they haven’t and that’s my point. He did 3 things today that if Bursik did, there’d be an army of you wanting him dropped. That’s my point!! He had a bad game and that’s it. 🤣🤣🤣 Fucking hell, that's a good night from me 😁
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Post by hcstokie on Sept 25, 2021 22:49:47 GMT
He came in no man's land man and cost what turned out to me the winner for Derby. When Davies starts letting 2 a game in, in different games then it will be his turn to be judged If Bursik had gone on walkabouts and got away with it then we may not be having the conversation. When it goes in it matters Yes it happened once that’s it not “keeping on happening” is it 😂😂🤦♂️ It shouldn’t be about getting away with it. The two from Davies today were poor. We were lucky. That matters. Acknowledging it was bad goalkeeping too would be nice to see. But as I’ve said the standards for the two aren’t the same. One is judged to far higher standards than the other. Bursik was dodgy at Derby, there’s no denying it. I missed today’s game but it can only be good if we have two keepers driving each other to perform better. If that means one gets dropped after a poor performance so be it. If they, or the other, come back stronger then that’s good for the team.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 25, 2021 22:52:17 GMT
Yes it happened once that’s it not “keeping on happening” is it 😂😂🤦♂️ It shouldn’t be about getting away with it. The two from Davies today were poor. We were lucky. That matters. Acknowledging it was bad goalkeeping too would be nice to see. But as I’ve said the standards for the two aren’t the same. One is judged to far higher standards than the other. You are one on here who can definately look at the last bit you've just said and point it right back at yourself. You always have your favourites and blinkered to anything else. You keep going on about Bursiks ONE mistake, but it isn't just that. He hasn't filled me with the same confidence as what Davies does, at the moment. Add that to his no man's land walkabout at Derby and it led to Davies getting the nod. I'm not the only one who feels this, many on here, and the manager obviously felt the same. If that makes Bursik work harder and more determined to be ready to get his place back then its worked. I have favourites but I’m always honest. And usually my favourites are the best players or so massively shit that it becomes a laugh (Demar Phillips). Of course it did and it was harsh. But it’s more than that isn’t it? As I’ve said if Bursik does the 3 mistakes Davies made today then there’s trouble on here and from certain people. For Davies it’s sweet under the carpet. God help him if he flapped at the cross inparticular like Davies did today.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 25, 2021 22:54:05 GMT
Yes it happened once that’s it not “keeping on happening” is it 😂😂🤦♂️ It shouldn’t be about getting away with it. The two from Davies today were poor. We were lucky. That matters. Acknowledging it was bad goalkeeping too would be nice to see. But as I’ve said the standards for the two aren’t the same. One is judged to far higher standards than the other. Bursik was dodgy at Derby, there’s no denying it. I missed today’s game but it can only be good if we have two keepers driving each other to perform better. If that means one gets dropped after a poor performance so be it. If they, or the other, come back stronger then that’s good for the team. I haven’t denied it. But the two aren’t judged from the same point. Davies was poor today and was lucky his errors didn’t lead to a goal. He won’t be dropped. I don’t think he should be but I don’t think Bursik should have been dropped either.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 25, 2021 22:55:21 GMT
No they haven’t and that’s my point. He did 3 things today that if Bursik did, there’d be an army of you wanting him dropped. That’s my point!! He had a bad game and that’s it. 🤣🤣🤣 Fucking hell, that's a good night from me 😁 Did you not see where Souttar expected him to come and he didn’t and then Souttar bollocked him. You either chose not to see it or aren’t judging them from the same point. It’s pretty transparent.
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Post by boltonstokie on Sept 25, 2021 23:00:55 GMT
🤣🤣🤣 Fucking hell, that's a good night from me 😁 Did you not see where Souttar expected him to come and he didn’t and then Souttar bollocked him. You either chose not to see it or aren’t judging them from the same point. It’s pretty transparent. Did you not see Bursik do that against Forest??!! It was embarrassingly bad and was inches from costing us a goal. Whatever you saw today it wasn’t close to that.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 25, 2021 23:02:44 GMT
Did you not see where Souttar expected him to come and he didn’t and then Souttar bollocked him. You either chose not to see it or aren’t judging them from the same point. It’s pretty transparent. Did you not see Bursik do that against Forest??!! It was embarrassingly bad and was inches from costing us a goal. Whatever you saw today it wasn’t close to that. I did. It was the same. This is exactly my point 😂
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Post by boltonstokie on Sept 25, 2021 23:06:29 GMT
Did you not see Bursik do that against Forest??!! It was embarrassingly bad and was inches from costing us a goal. Whatever you saw today it wasn’t close to that. I did. It was the same. This is exactly my point 😂 It wasn’t the same though was it. Go on the Forest highlights and you’ll see it. Go on today’s highlights and you won’t see whatever you’re talking about as it was a nothing incident in comparison.
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Post by sportsman on Sept 25, 2021 23:06:31 GMT
🤣🤣🤣 Fucking hell, that's a good night from me 😁 Did you not see where Souttar expected him to come and he didn’t and then Souttar bollocked him. You either chose not to see it or aren’t judging them from the same point. It’s pretty transparent. Before I go bye byes, I'll just finish with this. If we had won at Derby, not let 3 in at Fulham, Bursik might not have been rested even. Its not so much the odd mistake. It's when it costs games, or you're conceding goals in more games to go with the odd mistake. If Davies keeps getting clean sheets, or the odd goal conceded but we keep winning, he will keep his place. Its as simple as that
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 25, 2021 23:10:12 GMT
Did you not see where Souttar expected him to come and he didn’t and then Souttar bollocked him. You either chose not to see it or aren’t judging them from the same point. It’s pretty transparent. Before I go bye byes, I'll just finish with this. If we had won at Derby, not let 3 in at Fulham, Bursik might not have been rested even. Its not so much the odd mistake. It's when it costs games, or you're conceding goals in more games to go with the odd mistake. If Davies keeps getting clean sheets, or the odd goal conceded but we keep winning, he will keep his place. Its as simple as that The 3 at Fulham? They were nowt to do with Bursik were they? 😂😂😂 We have won most of the games with Bursik in. Again you’re not judging them the same. At least try to hide it.
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Post by sportsman on Sept 25, 2021 23:17:12 GMT
Before I go bye byes, I'll just finish with this. If we had won at Derby, not let 3 in at Fulham, Bursik might not have been rested even. Its not so much the odd mistake. It's when it costs games, or you're conceding goals in more games to go with the odd mistake. If Davies keeps getting clean sheets, or the odd goal conceded but we keep winning, he will keep his place. Its as simple as that The 3 at Fulham? They were nowt to do with Bursik were they? 😂😂😂 We have won most of the games with Bursik in. Again you’re not judging them the same. At least try to hide it. It doesn't matter if the 3 at Fulham weren't his fault. What I'm saying is, if he would have maybe saved one or two of those and not lost by 3 say, not lost at Derby by his mistake, then he'd probably be still in goal. You can't have a keeper conceding 3,then effectively costing a defeat at Derby keeping his place when you have a good keeper waiting on the sidelines. It comes down to results and not conceding many.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 25, 2021 23:20:15 GMT
The 3 at Fulham? They were nowt to do with Bursik were they? 😂😂😂 We have won most of the games with Bursik in. Again you’re not judging them the same. At least try to hide it. It doesn't matter if the 3 at Fulham weren't his fault. What I'm saying is, if he would have maybe saved one or two of those and not lost by 3 say, not lost at Derby by his mistake, then he'd probably be still in goal. You can't have a keeper conceding 3,then effectively costing a defeat at Derby keeping his place when you have a good keeper waiting on the sidelines. It comes down to results and not conceding many. I think the Fulham thing is nonsense. I don’t think it was right to drop him for the Derby game. Davies has done similar today and got away with it. But I wouldn’t drop him for it either. Results have been good 😂
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