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Post by wakefieldstokie on Sept 22, 2021 12:05:03 GMT
No, you stick with Bursik and don't drop him after one mistake. All keepers make plenty of mistakes. This. If he starts doing a 'Butland' then fair enough, but after one bad game no - Bursik should keep his place
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Post by johnfarmersmum on Sept 22, 2021 22:43:34 GMT
'A nice Headache to have ' says MON. Having seen AD play last night he is the Number 1. As someone pointed out on a similar thread.. 2019 / 20 we moved up the league quickly late doors and thanks to AD and we were hitting Top 6 last year before his injury. Points mean Prizes and he is pivotal to the cause as has been proved.
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 23, 2021 0:32:15 GMT
To me, it’s simple. Put aside potential, future worth and contractual issues, who’s the best keeper at the club right here and now?
Davies for me, and I’d play him on Saturday.
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 23, 2021 1:37:57 GMT
'A nice Headache to have ' says MON. Having seen AD play last night he is the Number 1. As someone pointed out on a similar thread.. 2019 / 20 we moved up the league quickly late doors and thanks to AD and we were hitting Top 6 last year before his injury. Points mean Prizes and he is pivotal to the cause as has been proved. To be clear here you saw the same point made in a similar post on a similar thread and still thought this warranted a new one?
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 23, 2021 1:49:55 GMT
Anyway I finally watched the highlights from last night to take in Davies' much-feted heroics and was unsurprised to see him parrying out fairly straightforward shots right to the feet of onrushing attackers in the area, as he has conspicuously done throughout his career. He's an alright backup with some glaring and persistent weaknesses. Stick with Bursik for now although I can't say he convinces me all that much either (yet).
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Post by bucknall67 on Sept 23, 2021 6:15:53 GMT
Anyway I finally watched the highlights from last night to take in Davies' much-feted heroics and was unsurprised to see him parrying out fairly straightforward shots right to the feet of onrushing attackers in the area, as he has conspicuously done throughout his career. He's an alright backup with some glaring and persistent weaknesses. Stick with Bursik for now although I can't say he convinces me all that much either (yet). I must admit after watching the highlights,this is what I thought. Watford should have had about 6 if their second XI could shoot. But to listen too some on here it is the second coming of Banks!!
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Post by lordb on Sept 23, 2021 6:53:24 GMT
To me, it’s simple. Put aside potential, future worth and contractual issues, who’s the best keeper at the club right here and now? Davies for me, and I’d play him on Saturday. Who is the best keeper right now? Honestly can't split them
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Sept 23, 2021 7:26:41 GMT
Going to be a bigger headache when we have to decide which one starts the League Cup Final.
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Post by hardcastle on Sept 23, 2021 8:10:18 GMT
Davies is the man in better form and has rarely had a poor game for us. We're all hoping that Joe will develop into a top goalie of course but he hadn't really been tested, has he, in that he's saved the ones you'd expect him to save and let in ones that he's had little chance with - result - inconclusive.
Why are we overly worried about damaging his confidence? Joe knows the score. We've roughly two players competing for each shirt. It's fair competition.
After all, Ryan got dropped after one poor game in the PL after that early defeat away at Bolton. Didn't seem to do him any harm.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 8:16:01 GMT
Not a headache for me. Pick the better keeper and that is Davies. All this damaging the confidence of Bursik etc, that's how team selection should work. No room for sentimental nonsense.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Sept 23, 2021 8:26:57 GMT
No reference to the fact Davies is out of contract at the end of the season. To me it’s relevant, offer Davies a contract in line with contracts awarded this Summer, if he signs it he competes for the place with Bursik on an equal footing if not we continue looking to the longer term bar a complete and sustained loss of form for Bursik.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Sept 23, 2021 8:39:18 GMT
It's a difficult one because keeper is such an all-or-nothing selection and it's not fair to keep chopping and changing. Davies has been consistently very good - but he is in his final year and won't be renewing to be anything other than No.1. And that's not going to work here Bursik is the future and really could be worth big money. I don't think Bursik has been bad enough to justify the change, given the contract status of the two and what we assume is the long-term plan for the keeper department. Thank god someone at last looks at the bigger picture. If we haven’t offered Davies a contract extension on terms that align with our Summer recruitment we should just to find out whether he’d commit his future. If not keep for backup and be prepared to let him leave in Jan as we signed a backup this Summer.
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 23, 2021 8:53:37 GMT
It's a difficult one because keeper is such an all-or-nothing selection and it's not fair to keep chopping and changing. Davies has been consistently very good - but he is in his final year and won't be renewing to be anything other than No.1. And that's not going to work here Bursik is the future and really could be worth big money. I don't think Bursik has been bad enough to justify the change, given the contract status of the two and what we assume is the long-term plan for the keeper department. Thank god someone at last looks at the bigger picture. If we haven’t offered Davies a contract extension on terms that align with our Summer recruitment we should just to find out whether he’d commit his future. If not keep for backup and be prepared to let him leave in Jan as we signed a backup this Summer. I’m not sure it’s about the bigger picture. It’s about who’s the best keeper now, not in the three years. To me, that’s Davies
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 23, 2021 8:56:27 GMT
To me, it’s simple. Put aside potential, future worth and contractual issues, who’s the best keeper at the club right here and now? Davies for me, and I’d play him on Saturday. Who is the best keeper right now? Honestly can't split them I think Bursik is erratic and error prone. Davies is the best keeper right now, in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 9:02:54 GMT
Who is the best keeper right now? Honestly can't split them I think Bursik is erratic and error prone. Davies is the best keeper right now, in my opinion. Not in the Bursik fan club myself just yet. I know he's young but for me plenty to improve on and we need a keeper now not in 2 or 3 years. Much prefer him to Gunn previously though
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Post by christhepotter on Sept 23, 2021 9:56:19 GMT
Who is the best keeper right now? Honestly can't split them I think Bursik is erratic and error prone. Davies is the best keeper right now, in my opinion. Yeah Bursik as been a bit dodgy in recent games , if he’s to achieve what most of us think he’s capable of he needs learn from these mistakes so a bit of time out the team will do him good
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 10:06:18 GMT
If it wasn't for Bursik the Fulham score might have been bloody double figures.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 10:18:15 GMT
I guess, in the short term at least, it doesn't really matter who starts for us. The Derby game aside, Bursik has done nowt wrong and Davies has been equally fine when he's played.
Can't help but wonder though how many other clubs at our level would have a current England U21 GK sat on thier bench.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 10:20:41 GMT
If it wasn't for Bursik the Fulham score might have been bloody double figures. he made 2 real good saves but that's what he's there for. Now is the ideal time to bring Davies back.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 10:21:25 GMT
In my opinion Joe is trying to hard to prive himself as our number one.
Personally I’d play Davies as the defence seem to have more confidence in him, but as MON says, a nice problem to have.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Sept 23, 2021 10:53:19 GMT
Davies does have a propensity to parry and it was noticeable on the videos we saw prior to his signing. I'd stick with Bursik and keep an eye on his next couple of performances. If he hits a sticky patch then give Davies a run and Joe wouldn't be able to moan.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 10:55:49 GMT
If it wasn't for Bursik the Fulham score might have been bloody double figures. he made 2 real good saves but that's what he's there for. Now is the ideal time to bring Davies back. Probably fair after that performance!
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 23, 2021 10:59:45 GMT
If it wasn't for Bursik the Fulham score might have been bloody double figures. he made 2 real good saves but that's what he's there for. Now is the ideal time to bring Davies back. So when it's Bursik "that's what he's there for", but when Davies makes routine saves against Watford (not knocking him), it's the ideal time to bring him in? Bursik has had one bad game and although he's a bit rough around the edges, I'm not having that Davies is clearly the better goalkeeper.
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Post by maine on Sept 23, 2021 11:13:37 GMT
Davies for me. Joe tends to do overegged stylized dives which look more impressive than they probably are. Most of us did that sort of thing as youngsters so it's really not a criticism. At this point Adam seems more reliable.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 23, 2021 11:25:47 GMT
This is a very tricky one because a lot of issues must be thought through thoroughly. I think Davies is still the better keeper of the two, but Bursik isn't far behind (they both are very good by the way). The problem is that Bursik needs to play to develop into the top goalkeeper we all can see he has the potential to be. On the other side it's still a bit unfair to Davies who still is our best goalkeeper. Will Davies sign another contract for us without getting more playing time? Will a big club come in for Bursik after this season if he develops in the way we hope? It could mean that both of them will be gone next summer! I know it's normally not a good thing to play the goalkeepers every second game, but how can we keep both happy and keep them here?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 12:54:05 GMT
he made 2 real good saves but that's what he's there for. Now is the ideal time to bring Davies back. So when it's Bursik "that's what he's there for", but when Davies makes routine saves against Watford (not knocking him), it's the ideal time to bring him in? Bursik has had one bad game and although he's a bit rough around the edges, I'm not having that Davies is clearly the better goalkeeper. Not at all. was time to bring Davies back when he was fully fit for me as our best keeper and we should be playing our best team. Said so at the time So to answer your question, no
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Post by Roger Everyone on Sept 23, 2021 13:05:05 GMT
The problem with chopping and changing goal keeper is if Davies concedes 3 goals in the next match do we then change straight back? I feel Bursik should be given some games and if he keeps making errors then you change. You need some continuity in the side.
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Post by thepottypotter on Sept 23, 2021 15:05:01 GMT
I don't think you drop Bursik yet. In terms of people management, you want to show him that you support him and that you are level-headed. You are professional, calm and won't overreact after one bad game.
However, it is an extremely competitive sport and unfortunately there is not a lot of patience that you can afford players if you want to be a very successful manager.
Bursik will understand this too and will know that he is under more pressure now. Only he can prove that he can handle it, develop and grow stronger from mistakes.
If he has a couple more games as bad as Derby then he will have to be dropped. We are fortunate to have two such good keepers.
Overall, I am confident that it's just a blip and Joe will turn it around.
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Post by liathroid on Sept 25, 2021 18:48:37 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 25, 2021 20:10:00 GMT
He did 3 things today that if Bursik or Gunn had done there would be a thread on here.
1) a dodgy kick that led to a chance for Hull
2) a flap at a cross that fell to a Hull player in the box
3) Mis communication with a defender. When Souttar expected him to come and he didn’t.
He was ok and did make a good save but he isn’t judged the same at all.
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