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Post by StokieBoy31 on Oct 20, 2021 0:59:07 GMT
He should drop Davies as he did with Bursik after Derby. Davies hasn’t been great at all the last month or so, from the free kick that was in the middle of his goal against Preston to Sheffield at the weekend and that tonight was a clanger. But now MON has to bring Joe back in because that’s exactly what he did to Bursik last month!
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Post by questionable on Oct 20, 2021 7:01:56 GMT
In truth both of them aren’t up to the job
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Post by itsajoytobeapotter on Oct 20, 2021 7:35:43 GMT
At the moment Davies is just a joke. He looks very uncomfortable to the point of being nothing short of a liability.The goal last night was because of his failure to make a routine save. He can't possibly be selected for the next game.
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Post by meirman61 on Oct 20, 2021 8:40:52 GMT
Well when the ball was smashed into Block 28 I got my body behind it and caught the ball like I was taught ,these lot nowadays parry everything. Your distribution was shit though In my defence I've got a frozen shoulder so I shouldn't have even tried to catch it but reflex action lol
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Post by shakermaker on Oct 20, 2021 9:01:31 GMT
He should drop Davies as he did with Bursik after Derby. Davies hasn’t been great at all the last month or so, from the free kick that was in the middle of his goal against Preston to Sheffield at the weekend and that tonight was a clanger. But now MON has to bring Joe back in because that’s exactly what he did to Bursik last month! MON's post-match interview as good as threw Davies under the bus. I'd be surprised if he started on Saturday.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 20, 2021 9:03:24 GMT
This is what pisses me off.
He's looked this dodgy since coming back into the team.
But the arguments on here about it didn't matter because it wasn't costing us were so short sighted. When will people learn?
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Post by numpty40 on Oct 20, 2021 9:13:28 GMT
Davies dropped a right bollock last night and will be rightly replaced by Bursik on Saturday, that's how it works. Bursik had a couple of a couple of dodgy games culminating in two mistakes which cost us a game and was dropped. Hopefully he will come back in and make the position his own.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Oct 20, 2021 9:18:47 GMT
He should drop Davies as he did with Bursik after Derby. Davies hasn’t been great at all the last month or so, from the free kick that was in the middle of his goal against Preston to Sheffield at the weekend and that tonight was a clanger. But now MON has to bring Joe back in because that’s exactly what he did to Bursik last month! Yea let keep dropping them after every error they make. Makes sense right?
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 20, 2021 9:33:50 GMT
This is what pisses me off. He's looked this dodgy since coming back into the team. But the arguments on here about it didn't matter because it wasn't costing us were so short sighted. When will people learn? At the end of the day Davies is a good championship keeper at a push he could cover a suspension in the premier league but apart from Haugard and the throw the ball in the net Butland he's probably the worst keeper we have had in the last 15 years thats not necessarily a slight on him as we have had excellent keepers from Simmo onwards but he is not going to significantly improve so we really should be investing in Bursik by giving him the game time and experience.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 20, 2021 10:15:24 GMT
This is what pisses me off. He's looked this dodgy since coming back into the team. But the arguments on here about it didn't matter because it wasn't costing us were so short sighted. When will people learn? At the end of the day Davies is a good championship keeper at a push he could cover a suspension in the premier league but apart from Haugard and the throw the ball in the net Butland he's probably the worst keeper we have had in the last 15 years thats not necessarily a slight on him as we have had excellent keepers from Simmo onwards but he is not going to significantly improve so we really should be investing in Bursik by giving him the game time and experience. How is he a good championship keeper? Prior to being in the championship with us he'd only ever played in a relegated team. A good league 1 keeper I'll grant you. I'm not convinced he's a good championship keeper.
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 20, 2021 10:30:03 GMT
At the end of the day Davies is a good championship keeper at a push he could cover a suspension in the premier league but apart from Haugard and the throw the ball in the net Butland he's probably the worst keeper we have had in the last 15 years thats not necessarily a slight on him as we have had excellent keepers from Simmo onwards but he is not going to significantly improve so we really should be investing in Bursik by giving him the game time and experience. How is he a good championship keeper? Prior to being in the championship with us he'd only ever played in a relegated team. A good league 1 keeper I'll grant you. I'm not convinced he's a good championship keeper. Well my marking scale is Excellent, Good, Shite so I'd say he has proved he is good enough for the championship but like I said not as good as Simmo.
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Post by moon on Oct 20, 2021 10:43:03 GMT
He should drop Davies as he did with Bursik after Derby. Davies hasn’t been great at all the last month or so, from the free kick that was in the middle of his goal against Preston to Sheffield at the weekend and that tonight was a clanger. But now MON has to bring Joe back in because that’s exactly what he did to Bursik last month! Yea let keep dropping them after every error they make. Makes sense right? I don’t think anyone on here is saying one error and you are dropped, he has made a few big errors that have cost us points and he doesn’t look confident right now.
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Post by questionable on Oct 20, 2021 11:44:47 GMT
This is what pisses me off. He's looked this dodgy since coming back into the team. But the arguments on here about it didn't matter because it wasn't costing us were so short sighted. When will people learn? Truth of the matter Bayern is both keepers aren’t that good, fact. Yes Bursik is young and will improve but he rightly deserved to be dropped after Derby, it was criminal how he came out flapping for the ball, down right embarrassing for us really and if we’re serious about getting promoted we can’t have calamity keepers making basic errors every other match,
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 20, 2021 11:47:34 GMT
This is what pisses me off. He's looked this dodgy since coming back into the team. But the arguments on here about it didn't matter because it wasn't costing us were so short sighted. When will people learn? Truth of the matter Bayern is both keepers aren’t that good, fact. Yes Bursik is young and will improve but he rightly deserved to be dropped after Derby, it was criminal how he came out flapping for the ball, down right embarrassing for us really and if we’re serious about getting promoted we can’t have calamity keepers making basic errors every other match, Which is what I've been saying. But one is highly rated, better (imo) than the other and I think is earmarked for better things. We have to allow that to happen to get the financial rewards I think are there. And in the meantime you play the better goalie of the two aswell. I don't think he deserved to dropped after Derby at all tbh. I think it was a nonsense decision.
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Post by sportsman on Oct 20, 2021 13:49:16 GMT
This is what pisses me off. He's looked this dodgy since coming back into the team. But the arguments on here about it didn't matter because it wasn't costing us were so short sighted. When will people learn? Going on why I wanted Bursik rested after the Derby game, its only fair he comes back in for Davies after last night. What you can't now do though is start making excuses for Bursik if he makes a mistake or two in the coming games if selected, saying things like well he's now had his confidence knocked by being left out. It works both ways for both keepers. One thing I will point out is listening to Peter Schmeichel the other day saying Ole had made a mistake when he said both his two keepers were his number ones and that they'll fight it out onc a game by game basis. He said when he was a keeper that wouldn't work, with the keeper under pressure knowing one mistake and he's out for the next game. He said the keeper needs to know he's number 1 and can be trusted and backed to play there.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 20, 2021 13:51:42 GMT
This is what pisses me off. He's looked this dodgy since coming back into the team. But the arguments on here about it didn't matter because it wasn't costing us were so short sighted. When will people learn? Going on why I wanted Bursik rested after the Derby game, its only fair he comes back in for Davies after last night. What you can't now do though is start making excuses for Bursik if he makes a mistake or two in the coming games if selected, saying things like well he's now had his confidence knocked by being left out. It works both ways for both keepers. One thing I will point out is listening to Peter Schmeichel the other day saying Ole had made a mistake when he said both his two keepers were his number ones and that they'll fight it out onc a game by game basis. He said when he was a keeper that wouldn't work, with the keeper under pressure knowing one mistake and he's out for the next game. He said the keeper needs to know he's number 1 and can be trusted and backed to play there. He made one mistake though. I don't think he'd been playing well before but I don't think he deserved dropping for it. And what Schmeichel says is one reason why I wouldn't have done. Now we have 2 keepers scared shitless of making a mistake and the consequences of that. That's not good.
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Post by Old School Stokie on Oct 20, 2021 14:39:56 GMT
But you can't be allowed to get away with mistakes and looking dodgy - the goal wasn't the only mistake, so yes we can all make a mistake. The keeper or individual that can overcome mistakes and show they have bottle will deserve to be the No.1 - You would want to be Number 1 - and be aware that if you are not performing you will be dropped - isnt that all about competition throughout the team.
I wouldn't want a a mistake ridden professional working for me or looking after my life
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Post by stokie223 on Oct 20, 2021 15:55:38 GMT
I never understood the calls for Bursik to be dropped, personally.
Is he the finished article? No. Will he make mistakes? Yes, but for me he's already better than Davies - an even if opinion on this was split and it was fairly even then surely you go with the 21 year old that's in the England set up and that could - if nothing else - be a massive asset for the club financially.
He had a torrid time against Derby, agreed, but that's going to happen unfortunately.
Furthering Bursik's development could seriously help Stoke, both on and off the pitch.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Oct 20, 2021 16:15:48 GMT
The more you watch the goal back last night, the worse it gets.
Just tip it around the post.
Literally the only bad place to fumble it.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 20, 2021 16:26:12 GMT
The more you watch the goal back last night, the worse it gets. Just tip it around the post. Literally the only bad place to fumble it. It was terrible. I'm 61 and on the very rare occasions I play in goal for vets teams now, I would have been massively disappointed at spilling that. It a soft shot and didn't move or deflect. In fairness it wouldn't have bounced back far from my fat belly. As you say absolutely anywhere else but where it pinged to.
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